2008-10-26, 21:00 | Link #101 |
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Haki>DF i think. I mean kizaru has this awesome DF that all these DF wielding captains can't even touch and then rayleigh old man with no DF steps in with haki and starts fighting him on par
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2008-10-27, 09:15 | Link #102 | |
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I'm wondering though, what if a Logia user were to utilize Haki? |
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2008-10-28, 13:18 | Link #103 | |
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Actually what you said about giving unique feels to the energies and lifeforces is quite true lol But Oda using Haki as it fundamentally works, makes the story more down to earth. Its a competition based on will and just will alone, not amazing energy sources that seem to come out of nowhere. Its basically who has the stronger will wins and it shows how strong mentally and how determined the characters are. Its a powerup 'system' that develops with character and not just an energy source that can be acquired out of nowhere. And 'imbue' is a nice word to use for Haki based attacks. When you put enough will into an attack, be sure of it and give it your all, you will hit that opponent well and hard, because you wanted to do that and made sure you did it. If you have doubts of your own abilities, you will not be putting your absolute best, giving your opponents that chance to escape. When Kizaru fought with Rayleigh, its the best example so far of will vs will. Rayleigh being saw upon by Kizaru as weaker than his prime, is experiencing Kizaru's will against him. But Rayleigh stated, he will not let Kizaru get the Strawhats no matter what, again he's displaying his opposing will. The scene is also brilliantly set up by Oda as a 'Sabre-lock', the locking of swords. In such a situation, both parties have to resist against each other, the one who softens and lets go will get sliced. One who does not have the will and determination to hang on will lose, contest of wills.
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2008-10-29, 12:30 | Link #104 |
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There's been speculation before about the possibility of Whitebeard dying. If he dies but Ace is rescued then maybe Ace could join the Strawhats...
Nothing new there, but let's bring in some more recent elements. It seems to me that there's a very good chance that Whitebeard has Haoushoku Haki - a good bet for all Yonkou, frankly. Consider this from the point of view of Ace - he's a strong and powerful person but before Whitebeard (and his Haoushoku Haki), you can understand him being impressed. In other words, such a scenario makes it more plausible how a strong and independent guy like Ace could become a loyal member of the Whitebeard crew. Now consider what could happen if we see Luffy learn an awful lot about Haki in the coming days - by the time they next meet Luffy's "aura" could clearly different. That could make it far for understandable for Ace to switch loyalties to Luffy (though I think this would only happen if Whitebeard dies anyway). This is not to say we should expect the above scenario to happen, but more of a way to include Haki in future speculation, and also to (potentially) help explain previous events.
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2008-10-29, 23:36 | Link #105 |
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It is very true that IF Whitebeard dies, which is frankly very likly since it would introduce alot of Turmoil into the New World with one of its "Emporor's" gone, it would create a power vacum and with all the new Rookies etc comming into the New World it would create a "Situation where a New Area can be born" Which would fit well with what Oda has been building up so far.
However the chances of Ace joining is slim, Id estimate in % Only around 10%. The % of him dieing is around 25%, its not easy to rescue a person thats on "Death Row" who likly has seastone cuffs on and with armed guards that could kill him if all comes to worse. The biggest % However is that he ends up leading alot of the surviving Whitebeard Pirates, quite alot of them will die. Likly maybe 1 or 2 Ships survive after Ace is Rescued, they retreat and Ace takes over as Captain for atlest one of the ships and perhaps Marco takes the other. This is a far more likly situation since its hard to belive Oda will actualy kill off Ace, unless Oda plans to stage a massive "Strawhats vs Blackbeard" anytime soon, which i would find strange because Blackbeard is being buildt up as a more "Grandscale" Enemie later down the road. |
2008-10-30, 10:15 | Link #106 |
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Well, in the latest chapter, we see Marigold, one of the Gorgon sisters, use Haki to control fire. Also, it's commented that Sandersonia's Orochi technique transforms her hair into snakes with "fangs of steel". Judging from this, it looks like Haki users can be quite creative with how they manipulate their Haki, infusing it into various objects and substances. It'll be quite interesting to see the various ways Haki will be used in future storylines....
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2008-10-30, 10:27 | Link #107 |
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Seeing that everything goes to extremes in One Piece, Oda can stretch Haki as much as he wants.
Haki has been stretched in similar ways in Chinese manhwa, arrows that transform into firey phoenixes, materialising blades using Haki and doing stuff similar to 'Unlimited Blade Works' etc. Even the basic 'Hadoken' from Street Fighter has Haki fundamentals.
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2008-10-30, 10:59 | Link #108 | |
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Ah... you mean Kumadori (who is, coincidentally, featured on my avatar that I haven't changed for like, 2 years )? It's possible that CP9's been using Haki for some of their Rokushiki techniques all along (I already stated earlier that I thought Roku Ougan was a Haki technique). Now that we see CP9 visiting their old training ground in the ministory, we may learn more about the secrets behind Rokushiki (and maybe Life Returns).... Oh, and a bit off-topic, but I wonder if Luffy and co. will run into Kumadori's mother in the future? Despite the fact that he keeps referring to her as if she were dead, Oda revealed in an SBS that she was still alive, and is an active assassin. So we could either see her in the main storyline as an enemy/ally (hey, with Oda, having an old kabuki assassin lady as an ally is not impossible ), or she could turn out to be one of the Rokushiki masters training the new generation of CP9.... |
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2008-10-30, 12:14 | Link #109 | |
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2008-10-30, 12:22 | Link #110 |
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Yes, Haki itself is not rare, its Haki which had grown in people to be strong enough to be harnessed into a powerful force, that's rare.
And even rarer, is Haki as strong as Luffy's, which from the million's of Haki that can be used as an energy source, is most powerful. And at Boa not mastering her Haki, its actually a mistranslation and mentioned earlier on somewhere in this subforum. That line is actually pointing to Luffy. Luffy's Haki right now is like a raw diamond that needs polishing. And once polished will become invaluable.
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2008-10-30, 17:04 | Link #111 |
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I just read a few pages because i'm lazy now and i'm ot going to read everything. But many people believe haki is rare and just some people have it. That's why i agree with C.A. Haki it self is not rare. Indeed i strongly believe everybody have it. And not talking about the part of haki as the energy and spirit everybody have, but also as the power. Everybody have it but it's dormant in almost everybody except for those few who have either 'learn it' or like Luffy have been able to wake it by something strong happening (like and emotion or desire). I don't believe in the bible and such, but in some part (i don't remember if it was when he was walking on the water or healing people) He said to one of his disciples that EVERYBODY was capable of it and much more. Look how a man believed by many to be a god actually said that anybody was capable of doing what he did. And many people still don't believe that can do anything. And i'm not talking about the powers here but they believe they can't even change minimal things in their lives!!
Now after reading ch. 519 again i saw that one of the amazon said. 'Only one in a million is 'capable of USING it'. Even when she also said "The Haki of the chosen ones" she doesn't say ' only one in a million have it' or something like that. So…that's why I believe everybody have it and i would go as far as saying everybody can be capable of using the Haoushoku. But not everybody can. sounds contradictory?? Take it this way. Everybody can get in shape and strong (unless you have some physical problem), but not everybody is, even when many want. Ask your self; why?? It's simple. I believe something like that happens with haki and specially the haoushoku. |
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With the Emperors running around, I stick by my beliefs that Haki will be a minimal requirement just to survive out there. I get what you're saying, Haki masters may be rare but the art in general is probably quite common. |
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2008-10-31, 08:46 | Link #113 |
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Alright, let's be done with this "supply and demand" theory of Haki and move on to something else.
So, we've been shown throughout Luffy's fight with Sonia and Marygold that Haki comes in a variety of types. From hardening weapons, predicting movement, overwhelming opponents, and even, at least I think she used Haki, lighting oneself on fire... So I bring up an argument, does Haki have any limits? Or is it something completely subject to the will of the user? |
2008-10-31, 09:15 | Link #114 | |
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Yes, I'm inclined to believe that it depends on the user's will myself. The stronger a person's will is, the stronger their Haki will be. And in turn, they'll force those who have weaker wills into submission, often subconsciously (as was demonstrated by Shanks, Rayleigh, and now Luffy). Obviously, a strong will is a necessity for those who want to reach the "Pirate's Summit".... |
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2008-11-01, 21:33 | Link #115 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but haki and sakki are not able to do "physical" harm to people, living things, and inanimate objects and instead weaken the wills of others.
Off-topic: After following all the haki talk, with the occasional sakki mention, I thought about applying such concepts to other series for kicks. Amazing how much one can describe whole situations in terms of haki and sakki. For example, I applied the concepts to Elfen Lied and found in general overview that the series has massive sakki levels that go off the charts. |
2008-11-01, 23:08 | Link #116 | |
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2008-11-02, 03:33 | Link #117 | |
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While our Haki theories here can be applied to many situations in One Piece so far, Oda has not shown us the full extent of Haki's capabilities. For that we can not really say what Haki can do beyond what we have seen. Haki and Sakki does weaken wills and is exactly what's happening in most cases. But if two people of extremely high will clash, it will be a will 'topping over another situation'. These people's wills are so strong, they don't falter, but they can still be defeated if the opponent's will is stronger in the end. And if 2 wills are both exceedingly strong, we get something like Shanks vs Whitebeard, their wills don't bend but other things, maybe the sky bends for them lol But I just looked through the Shanks and White Beard meeting, I didn't see any damaging of White Beard's ship at all though.
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2008-11-02, 12:39 | Link #118 | |
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Here is my definition of "Haki". Tell me what you think C.A. Haki - The ambition, willpower, drive, and vigor that all individuals possess in different degrees. It is the impetus that allows one to persevere, and thus, overcome nearly anything depending on its magnitude/level.
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2008-11-02, 13:10 | Link #120 | |
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I don't watch the anime though. I did watch but I stuck back at 200+, when I have some time to continue, I will. Your definition of Haki is pretty good, I think you can use that as a first hand explanation to most people. If they can't connect your definition to what they're seeing, you can easily expand from the definition as it highlights the main factors and meanings of the word.
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