2010-06-14, 19:03 | Link #11041 | |
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2010-06-14, 19:07 | Link #11042 | |
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2010-06-14, 19:11 | Link #11043 | |
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2010-06-14, 23:17 | Link #11044 |
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The number of humans on the island with erika is 17. Which means that without Erika is 16.
The most logic theory for this is that Shannon and Kannon, even if they are 2 different persona, they share the same body. Not only that, as stated on EP6 it appears that there is a conflict between Shannon and Kannon, that today one of them, or them both have to die. So Kannon is always killed by Shannon, and Shannon is always killed by kannon. So technically they could be killed by other person who is not other of the humans of the island. They both say that they are just furniture, and that they have no freedom. This could mean that maybe they are just furniture of yet another persona for that body. And maybe this other persona is the Ushiromiya Battler who was born from Asumu. |
2010-06-14, 23:32 | Link #11045 |
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This is not confirmed as fact, sorry.
The exact wording is "Even if we welcome you, it's 17 people." Literal translation. This could just as easily imply that Erika does not exist, and even if her piece is welcomed onto the board, it does not count towards the total. It's 17 with or without Erika. Neither interpretation has been asserted as fact as of yet. Don't misrepresent the red. |
2010-06-14, 23:37 | Link #11046 |
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Proof speaks louder then words :3
In any case. A rock can be called dead, but it can never "become" dead. i.e. Kanon could have never been alive, or that red truth can be twisted to say that an accident happened of some sort. That way, Kannon has still "died," but no human or dead person "killed" him I propose that Kannon died in some sort of accident in which no one set up. Proving it is a Devil's proof, since there are limitless ways he could have died in some sort of accident that is NOT a trap. |
2010-06-14, 23:49 | Link #11048 |
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Oh, she probably ruled out suicide as well...
Hm. Well, people can die in homocides, suicides, accidents, and... Some sort of natural cause? Kanon is hit with a stroke, dies of a sudden malady? Was that ruled out? i.e. Something metaphorical like this. like a heart attack. A poetic heart attack because he was never able to use his heart lol I wouldn't put it past Kinzo... I mean 07... |
2010-06-14, 23:57 | Link #11049 |
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Kanon was mortally wounded by Shannon, who faked her death at the First Twilight. However, Kanon did not die! He came back, killed Nanjo, Genji, and Kumasawa, and then was killed in the bomb blast after the game's conclusion, so his death is not subject to red text!
Alternatively, Kanon attempted suicide but failed! |
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It's also possible that somebody attacked him, but he didn't die - it only said that nobody could kill him. Either he went into a coma or Jessica and Nanjo are accomplices and he was the one killing everybody after the 6th twilight.
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2010-06-15, 00:34 | Link #11051 | |
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2010-06-15, 00:39 | Link #11052 | |
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Of course there's the Asumu death theory Rosa = Asumu, so she committed incest with Rudolf, but after Maria's birth it was becoming more difficult to hide her real personality, so she "killed" Asumu.The Jessica = Kannon theory, she is a trasgender homo-erotic bishonen There's also the Gohda killer theory, At 12:00AM of the second day, everybody died of food poisoning. |
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2010-06-15, 00:45 | Link #11053 | |
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2010-06-15, 00:50 | Link #11054 |
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The debate on whether Umineko is a murder mystery, a fantasy, or a romance can be neatly settled by it being something else entirely - and a comedy has not been ruled out yet.
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2010-06-15, 00:51 | Link #11055 |
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Yes a rock can't become dead, for it is always and will forever remain dead. The word "Dead" can mean 2 things. (That would relate at all to umineko)
I thought the second meaning was rather interesting. @ameskitty But then we get the lovely 'Trap X' nonsense back again, and there was nothing found that seemed to look like a trap. Even if the Ushiromiya people are brain dead, I'm sure they would notice something if it was out of place. Ok, allow me to explain how Kanon can be imagenairy and dead, and thus is my reason for thinking this way. When I was little I played with imaginary friends, I was a very shy kid so I was afraid of talking to other kids so I could just play with my 3 imaginary friends. (Until I turned about 6 or 7 I think it was) Anyway; my friends were alive to me. But they were dead to everyone else. But to me they were real, they did things like normal people, they went on trips, had jobs, got hurt even. One of them I even 'killed.' I remember it really well, because it wasn't long before I stopped playing with them entierly. I was crying and screaming that Ixy got hurt. I made a whole big deal out of it, and even had my family come with me while Ixy got operated on. (Yeah I was sort of a strange kid XD) Now to my family Ixy didn't exist, Ixy never really was alive, so therefore to them she was 'dead.' But when I decided and chose that Ixy died while getting operated on. She became dead even to me. Until that moment, she was alive to me, but when I decided that; she became 'dead'. In my mind she had died a horrible death, but to everyone else she 'died' because I got bored with her and was growing up. Until that moment when I called her dead, she could appear where ever she wanted, because I could make her be anywhere, at any time. But when I; her creator denied her existance, she would become 'dead' everywhere. (After spilling all that I kind of feel like I was a nutcase as a little kid XD) |
2010-06-15, 01:04 | Link #11056 | |
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Either way, Romance or Comedy, that's what you get. A fantasy. I'd like to think other than the Dante references a comedy has no foreshadowing though.
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2010-06-15, 01:17 | Link #11057 | |
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH Seriously though, I don't think Ryukishi would actually pull the "it's not a mystery so the Knox rules don't count" troll. Not if he wants to retain credibility. Actually, I think the exact opposite... I think he's going to just gloss over the specifics of the murders while instead confirming stuff like Battler's identity and the person count. He needs to at least arm us with The Answer. We can probably go back and figure out X Closed Room ourselves. |
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