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View Poll Results: AnoHana - Episode 4 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 41 | 38.32% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 38 | 35.51% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 24 | 22.43% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 0.93% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.80% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-05-06, 20:26 | Link #81 |
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I liked this episode a lot, but my views are similar to Reckoner's.
Each episode so far shines wonderfully in a vacuum, but the cumulative effect of them, for me at least, is that the emotional impact is gradually lessening. And that's ironically because there's just too much of it. Too much of Menma crying, and too much strenuously sustained sentimentality. It does feel a little bit forced to me, and I find myself growing a bit numb to it all. That being said, I love how brisk the plot movement is, and the reveal involving Yukiatsu is both interesting and, I have to admit, a bit amusing (primarily due to its excellent execution). This group of friends are all very psychologically fascinating, really. 8/10 for this episode. On the whole, AnoHana remains a superb slice of life drama, and I am looking forward to more.
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2011-05-06, 20:44 | Link #82 | ||
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After all, I do remember at least one scene in a previous episode where Menma seemed to scarf down a piece of BBQed meat right in front of Poppo, and the latter didn't notice. So yeah. Great unanswered question. |
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2011-05-06, 21:33 | Link #83 |
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what the shit. Yukiatsu has some problems.. 'nuff said. i'm still annoyed by Jintan's attitude. yeah, he has mental issues, but he's still annoying to watch as a main character. i wouldn't go as far as to say he has entitlement issues because of his circumstance, but he's nearly there.
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2011-05-06, 22:52 | Link #84 | |||
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Anyway, thinking about Tsuruko, she is quite a bitch, first snubbing her childhood friends (Jinta and Anaru), and then ridiculing Yukiatsu, who trusted her (his character taken into account, secretive and all). I'm looking forward into how they'll remedy that in the comming episodes. Oh! and I wish they stop calling Naruko anal, I mean come on... now, we even have fan-art to go with that nickname |
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2011-05-06, 23:02 | Link #85 |
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On the question "Is the Menma that Jinta's seeing an actual ghost/spirit, or a creation of his psyche?":
From Episodes 1 to 3, I was pretty convinced that it was an actual ghost/spirit. That this really was Menma. The main reason being that we saw scenes of Menma where she wasn't with Jinta. After Episode 4, though, I'm not so sure. The main reason being that I found it kind of weird how Jinta's "Menma" was so excited at the prospect of finding Yukiatsu's "Menma". Trying to imagine myself as an actual ghost... even as a ghost, I think I'd be kind of weirded out at the notion that somebody was impersonating me after my death, or that there was another "me" out there that wasn't, well, me. . I certainly wouldn't be pumped at the idea of seeing this post-death impersonator of me. But then, I'm not a kid, so maybe that's a factor. Still, the idea of Jinta's "Menma" being something of a psychological projection for him, a symbolic representation of his lingering attachment to Menma and feelings of regret and nostalgia pertaining to her, now seems at least possible to me. It doesn't account for everything - such as the incredibly odd coincidence that Jinta's 'psychological projection' would just happen to be hopping on Poppo while a coffee is giving him a real bad case of the shakes - but I can see it fitting most things. For example, it's possible that Jinta himself made the failmuffins, and just attributed it to "Menma". One thing I do find interesting about this interpretation is that if Jinta's "Menma" is a symbolic psychological projection of his own lingering attachment to Menma, it would make perfect sense for Jinta's "Menma" to want to see the real one. All of this is pretty deep and psychobabble-y I know, but I just thought I'd put it out there.
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2011-05-07, 00:25 | Link #86 | |
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I'm not against the possibility of the psychological debate, but I'm still believing completely with the ghost theory. The reactions of characters she has interacted with are pretty good. Plus the whole scene at her own home would be even more odd if she was just Jinta's hallucination.
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2011-05-07, 01:57 | Link #88 |
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I still think this is ultimately the wrong question. The anime isn't about paranormal research - it's about the impact Menma had in the past and continues to have on all of the Busters (especially Jinta). Who knows for sure, but it's very possible you're setting yourselves up for disappointment if you expect the show to ever spell out just exactly what Menma is.
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2011-05-07, 04:19 | Link #89 | |
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Lets say she is a ghost. That means she's a very convenient plot device to drive Jintan and friends together rather than they naturally come together. It's a fairy tale like ending literally. But on the hand, if she is simple his hallucination, Jinta's pain, then it's a whole different ball park. This means that everyone of her desires and wishes are things Jintan projects onto what he thinks of Memma. When he probably apologizes to her, he will release the guilt within him and she'll most likely disappear (Well that and probably the clearance of the friend's consciences too). Very different type of story depending on how we are supposed to interpret her. Forgive me if I didn't explain it well though, frankly I'm exhausted at the moment.
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2011-05-07, 04:23 | Link #90 |
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I agree with that. I'm not expecting her to prove herself at all. I actually don't want her to prove herself. I want the group to believe in him without the proof that he can see Menma. It'll be better for the character development and it'll be much more entertaining.
Having her prove herself will result in boring drama or lack of it. I bet most of them will just ask what Menma wanted and have Jinta relay her message and how the hell would the other characters grow in that situation? |
2011-05-07, 04:46 | Link #91 |
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I'd have to say that for almost all intents and purposes, Menma has been more of an observer to the lives of her friends rather than the one who moves things along. While her sudden appearance to Jinta ultimately put him on the road where he is now, and trying to get his other friends to travel said road, everything from that point on has been Jinta's actions and prerogatives.
To make a Cross Game comparison (that many of us have been doing here already), Wakaba was a prime mover for both characters, however while her lasting influence was what put them on the road, the desire to keep traveling it was ultimately Kou and Aoba's choice. The difference here is that Menma has a viewable presence with a small bit of influence only for Jinta, and everyone else aren't directly influenced by her. In CG it's really up to the viewer's personal beliefs whether Wakaba was "watching" them. In both cases it's the same: the influence of those who have passed on beforehand remain that, an influence, and the actions are almost entirely up to those who have taken it to themselves to carry on the memory. Anyway great episode that really fleshes out just how different each character's coping mechanisms are. Some are more mature about it (Poppo) while others quite obviously have gotten some pretty messed up psychological scars (Jinta, Yukiatsu). One can say that Jinta isn't that far behind Yukiatsu if he doesn't watch himself. As the scene where he catches Anaru just a few feet away from where Menma herself died so many years ago, it shows that it is perhaps the most isolated and cautious of minds that are the most fragile minds of all.
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2011-05-07, 06:51 | Link #93 | ||
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At this point, it doesn't really matter anymore though whether Menma is a hallucination or a real ghost. She's already serving a purpose, they will find out what her wish was, fullfil it, and she will disappear, either as a hallucination or a real ghost. I'm tending to believe Menma is the former case though after episode 4 as mentioned in my previous post. |
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2011-05-07, 07:21 | Link #95 |
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Menma is a ghost. She can't be a hallucination. Reason:
In episode one (at 20:05), we could see her visit her own family's home and accidentally knock down a glass of water on the table. Hallucinations can't do that. Secondly, she baked those muffins. Yet again, not something hallucinations can do. Thirdly, as we saw in episode 4, she jumped on Poppo and he could feel her weight. Can people actually feel a hallucination's weight? Nope. Unless it's a ghost. These things points to the fact that Menma, in fact, is a ghost. Though I don't know why only Jintan can see her. I'm quite sure it's because she told him about her wish? And that only he knows about it and can fulfill it. Yet he forgot about it and so did she... so the anime is basically about finding out about the wish and fulfilling it, and once it's been fulfilled, everybody can see Menma. THE END. Happy ending. Yay. |
2011-05-07, 07:32 | Link #96 | |
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2011-05-07, 07:34 | Link #97 | |
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His mother and best friend passed away suddenly. You can't simply forget them and move on, even when five years have passed. He has every reason to mope around. He is trying his best now to come out of his shell (with a little help from Menma) and for that he should be applauded, not criticized. Yukiatsu is an entirely dfferent matter. He can't let go of the past, not because he doesn't want to, but because his mind refuses to. To make things worse, he has a superiority complex. There may be other reasons behind it, such as his relationship with his parents, but it's clear that he has much, much bigger issues than Jinta. Assuming Jinta isn't schizophrenic. I don't think they're going for that route though. I sense optimism rather than Fight Club-esque plot twists. |
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2011-05-07, 07:58 | Link #98 | |
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2011-05-07, 08:38 | Link #99 | |
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To whoever said Yukiatsu was crossdressing: good catch.
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As for Anaru, she was angry at her. Some would say "unfairly", but as far as I'm concerned, it's "understandably". And yes, she did betray Yukiatsu, in a way. Though it's not like he told her he was crossdressing - he was using her as a cover so as to not appear creepy when buying female accessories and the like. But to come back to Tsuruko - I think her intentions were good. (And that, bottom line, she made the right choice.) Hilarious as Yukiatsu's activities were to us, they weren't healthy. They were hurting to himself and the rest of the Busters. And, more importantly to her, they're a symptom of his inability to move forward, which has to be confronted, too. |
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If the Menma that Jinta is seeing is a ghost, then this is as much about her as it is about the rest of the gang. In other words, this is partly about her personally moving on, Angel Beats! style. In fact, if Menma is a ghost, this is arguably more her story than anybody else's. In many ways, she becomes the focal character, and the main plot mover. Quote:
If Jinta's Menma is a hallucination then he is very, very psychologically disturbed. Somewhat ironically, I would find this anime much darker if Jinta's Menma is a hallucination than if she's a ghost. I mean, you have to be very psychological disturbed to have daily hallucinations on this level. Also, if Jinta's Menma is a hallucination then this story isn't really about her, per se, but rather about the rest of the gang (Jinta and Yukiatsu in particular) trying to get over her lost. In other words, it's not about fulfilling her wish, whatever that may be, but rather about Jinta et al learning to leave their past behind and finally deal with the lost of Menma, and psychologically heal from it.
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