[PS3/PSV] Legend of Heroes: Sen no Kiseki

[Aoi Toori]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

No amount of grin ding IIRC will help because it's a flat HP value. In other words, git his parts perfectly and pray RNGesus lets you dodge and parry properly.

my only hope... ToT

Originally Posted by Se7enSword

Spoiler for response:

Ah well that's tough. I managed it on my 3rd try.

Dunno about the grinding thing, I finished it at level 65.

Spoiler for really?!:

REALLY!? on hard mode too? I dunno where I did wrong (whether I'm too hasty or too defensive) but I'll try again at least

I'm on level 66 right now

the reason I choose hard mode because some people said the game is too easy, now I kinda regret it...

[Kirayuki]

The stat you have on that battle is actually dependent on Rean's level.

For one, there is a considerable difference in the damage you deal when you're lv.70 or higher.
On lv.80 or higher, it becomes so easy even in Nightmare.

That said 67 or so is enough already, tho it's still luck based.
And make sure you use CP for the boost instead of Counter since you're battling against time here as you have limited healing resource

[Aoi Toori]

Originally Posted by Kirayuki

The stat you have on that battle is actually dependent on Rean's level.

For one, there is a considerable difference in the damage you deal when you're lv.70 or higher.
On lv.80 or higher, it becomes so easy even in Nightmare.

That said 67 or so is enough already, tho it's still luck based.
And make sure you use CP for the boost instead of Counter since you're battling against time here as you have limited healing resource

yes I tried to grind more and viola, more defense and attack for me (still lost though )
I think is time to exploit that cute little poms
and be more aggressive...

[Alza]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

M

Either I thought handled the cast development just fine. If Laura sort of came off a little like a jerk to Fie in Ch4 that was point. There are grounded reasons for that because it's based on prejudice. It may be kinda of hard to understand if you haven't play either TiTS or Zero and Ao because basically up until till this point Jeagers in have never presented positively in any way. They known as cuthroats with some of them being borderline savages. So her apprehension is rather normal for someone of her upbringing. Moreso she Fie are complete opposites in every way, personalities, philosophies and how they approach combat. Because of that couldn't sync well together even as much Laura (and Fie) tried to put differences together. Which why they had that duel in near the end of Ch 4 in an attempt to understand each other.

Alisa is child (they all still are) but your selling issues with her mother short. It's pretty complicated and has basically led to family to almost completely fracture so she isn't the only one who has problems her.

Essentially, everyone in Class VII clearly has their flaws, but mostly of them do attempt to deal with them in their own way and often come out better for it. I feel the that only characters lacking development at point is Millium and Emma, largely because their backgrounds are mysteries beyond the little bit we know about them. But that what's CS2 is for along with furthering the cast's growth.

The thing with Laura is that it felt a bit groundless since we never really saw Fie herself do something so despicable, so the whole conflict just lacked a bit of bite. I mean, Laura herself talks about how she understands she is not being fair here, but it still feels a bit forced. I get that Jaegers have unsavory reputations here, but if we had seen Fie at least do something 'bad' here, at least Laura would have some basis on her dislike and then it wouldn't feel so one-sided. Plus that way Fie could get more time with her dealing with adjusting to a life outside the battlefield.

With Alisa, I don't think her plot is bad, seeing how money/business can ruin a family makes for a great plot, but I just dislike her resolution in her arc since it felt a bit too weak. Considering how much time the game spent on her, if she had ended things with a stronger argument that was not basically I will do the same thing I hate you for but this time I will do it right, I think I might like it more.

I think Millium was fine for the little screen time she has (specially since she is funny most of the time), seeing her events you get the felling for her story, about how she is experiencing a normal life for the first time and how it makes her doubt her role as a spy and hopefully all that will pay in the second game. On the other hand, I think Emma was kind of a waste, in her events you get the feeling she struggles a lot with having to keep secrets to the class and wants to try to be more open (the last bonding event was good for that), but I wish the class would call her out more on that. I think it would have been a good source of tension to have Emma and the class deal with how can you be friends with someone who keeps an important secret from you.

Originally Posted by Aoi Toori

I really need some help here

Spoiler for LAST boss:

What the hell with that azure knight?! Crow you...
Anyway I've tried to use the link attack tactic but dammit crow got too many turn and he can wipe me in just 3-4 consecutive attack! The guard/counter craft is good but it needs 90CP and also I only have 2x heal which suck...

Anymore idea to defeat it? I'm on hard mode BTW

This is the hardest battle I've encountered so far in hard mode... Well at least he can do his role well as the last boss...

TASUKETEEE! T_________________________T

I managed to get by using the Block craft when I expected him to use his own craft and getting a few lucky dodges. So remember to use crafts and time your heals properly.

[Aoi Toori]

freaking finally! at last I finished this game!
3 shining poms DO make big difference LMAO

what a roller-coaster, I really enjoyed the game very much

restraining myself to not searching for sen-2 OP/trailer on youtube

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by Alza

The thing with Laura is that it felt a bit groundless since we never really saw Fie herself do something so despicable, so the whole conflict just lacked a bit of bite.

That's really not the issue. Especially not in this series when even the seemingly nicest people are two faced bastards.

The point is Laura doesn't know anything about Fie, she only knows that she a Jeager, people who are known to go around routinely killing others for money, something that Fie has actually done. It's not something everyone will be okay with (particularity those with strong moral codes) which is why Fie didn't want to talk about it and why school kept quite about it. Honestly, I'm more surprised that cast didn't make a bigger deal about the revelation then they did, but given the circumstances when it was revealed it made easier to accept. Ultimately Class VII was formed exactly to deal with this kind of culture clash. Laura like a lot of the others isn't that open minded about everything and while she knows Fie has done anything wrong to them personally she can't change the fact that her past bothers her and it makes Fie seem suspicious as irrational it may seem. That's why she took a step-forward to learn exactly why she ended with a group like that to begin with.

It's like how Sara keeps butting heads with Claire mainly because the later works for Osborne despite her having nothing to do driving the Bracers out of Erebonia. People judging others by association rather than individual is a real and very common outlook and several characters in Class VII struggled to overcome that.

Keep in mind that Fie's story didn't make her like Jeagers anymore than she previously did, but it allowed her to look at Fie from apart of them. At least that as of a fellow warrior.

With Alisa, I don't think her plot is bad, seeing how money/business can ruin a family makes for a great plot, but I just dislike her resolution in her arc since it felt a bit too weak. Considering how much time the game spent on her, if she had ended things with a stronger argument that was not basically I will do the same thing I hate you for but this time I will do it right, I think I might like it more.

The point of the conversation in Nord wasn't to resolve her family issues, it's kinda of impossible for her to do that as a mere student, but to talk about it with somebody in (this case Rean) and get off her chest perhaps give her a new perspective about it. It start for Alisa that will eventually lead her in position to confront her mother as equals, it's not an end point to her development.

I think Millium was fine for the little screen time she has (specially since she is funny most of the time), seeing her events you get the felling for her story, about how she is experiencing a normal life for the first time and how it makes her doubt her role as a spy and hopefully all that will pay in the second game. On the other hand, I think Emma was kind of a waste, in her events you get the feeling she struggles a lot with having to keep secrets to the class and wants to try to be more open (the last bonding event was good for that), but I wish the class would call her out more on that. I think it would have been a good source of tension to have Emma and the class deal with how can you be friends with someone who keeps an important secret from you.

Like said before I'm not worried about them. After TiTS FC and SC, I know exactly how Falcom does things in terms of plot structure. A lot of main cast whose their development started in FC didn't come to ahead until SC. You knew bits and pieces of their pasts until then, but it's the second game that dives into it. ToCS seems to be much the same at this point.

There is still a few people you didn't know much by the end of SC, but they are elaborated on in TiTS the 3rd.

[Iron Maw]

[rladls2121]

Rean calls him "Prince Olivert", so he isn't close to Olivier as Estelle and Joshua, they both react naturally while Rean here is somehow keeping his dutiful posture, im kind of dissatisfied.
When will Olivier will come back?(I'm not talking about the Erebonia's prince side of him.)

Muller, yes that's him, he is same as ever.
But just like Olivier, Rean is seeing him as "Major Vander" the senior army officer in a higher position that is just respectable for Rean, not really close as Estelle and Joshua as friends either.

[Alza]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

Rean calls him "Prince Olivert", so he isn't close to Olivier as Estelle and Joshua, they both react naturally while Rean here is somehow keeping his dutiful posture, im kind of dissatisfied.
When will Olivier will come back?(I'm not talking about the Erebonia's prince side of him.)

Muller, yes that's him, he is same as ever.
But just like Olivier, Rean is seeing him as "Major Vander" the senior army officer in a higher position that is just respectable for Rean, not really close as Estelle and Joshua as friends either.

I think that makes sense that Rean and the rest of Class VII is not that close to the prince, remember that to them he is not only their sponsor but also a role model they look up to so it is understandable their relationship has a bit of distance, specially when you consider that to them Prince Olivert is an adult. The thing is that the game is pushing Alfin as the royal Rean and Co have a close relationship with.

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

That's really not the issue. Especially not in this series when even the seemingly nicest people are two faced bastards.

The point is Laura doesn't know anything about Fie, she only knows that she a Jeager, people who are known to go around routinely killing others for money, something that Fie has actually done. It's not something everyone will be okay with (particularity those with strong moral codes) which is why Fie didn't want to talk about it and why school kept quite about it. Honestly, I'm more surprised that cast didn't make a bigger deal about the revelation then they did, but given the circumstances when it was revealed it made easier to accept. Ultimately Class VII was formed exactly to deal with this kind of culture clash. Laura like a lot of the others isn't that open minded about everything and while she knows Fie has done anything wrong to them personally she can't change the fact that her past bothers her and it makes Fie seem suspicious as irrational it may seem. That's why she took a step-forward to learn exactly why she ended with a group like that to begin with.

It's like how Sara keeps butting heads with Claire mainly because the later works for Osborne despite her having nothing to do driving the Bracers out of Erebonia. People judging others by association rather than individual is a real and very common outlook and several characters in Class VII struggled to overcome that.

Keep in mind that Fie's story didn't make her like Jeagers anymore than she previously did, but it allowed her to look at Fie from apart of them. At least that as of a fellow warrior.

Like I said I get what the game was trying to do with Laura here (mainly about her widening her world view and trying to look past her prejudices and respecting Fie as the person she is now instead of who she was in the past) and I agree it was a good, but I feel they could have done more with it. I just feel that making the situation so onesided feels was bad (for the conflict), and they could have used this fight to also give Fie some more concrete development on her part too.

The game has a large cast and has little time to give to each party member and it has to hold back for the sequel, but a part of me feels that they still could have done more stuff with characters like Emma, Fie and Gaius. So the situation with Laura during chapter 4 feels like a waste to me since it could have been used more strongly to give Fie more character development. Same with Emma, where they could have used her keeping secrets a bit more strongly than just having people go- oh well we know you are lying but we trust you- when they should have asked more questions.

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

The point of the conversation in Nord wasn't to resolve her family issues, it's kinda of impossible for her to do that as a mere student, but to talk about it with somebody in (this case Rean) and get off her chest perhaps give her a new perspective about it. It start for Alisa that will eventually lead her in position to confront her mother as equals, it's not an end point to her development.

I wasn't referring to the conversation in Chapter 3, but what happens later on in Roer... which I guess you haven't seen yet. I just felt that her problem could have been resolved in a stronger way this game, since they really spent so much time on it. I just never really got that Alisa could confront her mother as an equal here, which is a shame since I thought she could have done it if she had handled her arguments better.

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Like said before I'm not worried about them. After TiTS FC and SC, I know exactly how Falcom does things in terms of plot structure. A lot of main cast whose their development started in FC didn't come to ahead until SC. You knew bits and pieces of their pasts until then, but it's the second game that dives into it. ToCS seems to be much the same at this point.

There is still a few people you didn't know much by the end of SC, but they are elaborated on in TiTS the 3rd.

I know that they are saving stuff for the second game, but a part of me just feels that they could have gone the extra step to give some of the less-used party members some extra attention so at least had some development this game. I like the game, it's just that I feel they fumbled a bit with the large cast in this one, and I hope the sequel fixes that.

[Iron Maw]

This thread is getting a bit too spoilery so I'm gonna tag some here.

Originally Posted by rladls2121

Rean calls him "Prince Olivert", so he isn't close to Olivier as Estelle and Joshua, they both react naturally while Rean here is somehow keeping his dutiful posture, im kind of dissatisfied.
When will Olivier will come back?(I'm not talking about the Erebonia's prince side of him.)

Muller, yes that's him, he is same as ever.
But just like Olivier, Rean is seeing him as "Major Vander" the senior army officer in a higher position that is just respectable for Rean, not really close as Estelle and Joshua as friends either.

In addition to what Alza said.

Oliver's role is completely different in this game now, he said as much in TiTS SC that this would happen. He's no longer the "Wandering Musician" who faffled around half the time, but Olivert the "Second Imperial Prince" and for his ambitions to succeed he doesn't have the time spend with Class VII as much he wants. It would have been the same Estelle and co had assume his second persona from the get go instead of briefly like he did there.

Meuller doesn't even appear until chapter 6 and on top of taking up his official military he's been helping out on the completion of Courageous too. So he naturally wouldn't have many opportunities to meet with class.

Originally Posted by Alza

Like I said I get what the game was trying to do with Laura here (mainly about her widening her world view and trying to look past her prejudices and respecting Fie as the person she is now instead of who she was in the past) and I agree it was a good, but I feel they could have done more with it. I just feel that making the situation so onesided feels was bad (for the conflict), and they could have used this fight to also give Fie some more concrete development on her part too.

Spoiler for Fie & stuff:

Sure it might focused more on Laura, but Fie still got something out of it and she was the most opened about herself at that moment she had been all game.

Actually speaking about Fie, Rean was just reflecting how she's changed in the half-year they knew each in Roer. The Fie in prologue who was no more than then your typical "lone wolf" who had more interested in bombs than flowers definitely wouldn't have done the things that Fie in later chapters did. She stills retains her deadpan and taciturn nature since those core characteristics of her personally but how she interacts with others and nuances in those conversations and actions couldn't be any more different. She's gradually changed throughout the game instead of doing a sudden 180 into an entirely different person from one or two events. I"ve always this was better ways to handle character growth in general because it's much natural. This seems to be how every almost every character has been more or less handled. Obviously some who got more than others, but that's fine because everyone develops in some way.

The game has a large cast and has little time to give to each party member and it has to hold back for the sequel, but a part of me feels that they still could have done more stuff with characters like Emma, Fie and Gaius. So the situation with Laura during chapter 4 feels like a waste to me since it could have been used more strongly to give Fie more character development. Same with Emma, where they could have used her keeping secrets a bit more strongly than just having people go- oh well we know you are lying but we trust you- when they should have asked more questions.

Spoiler for Gaius & Emma:

I already spoke about Fie above so I'll skip addressing her here.

Funny, I thought Gaius got plenty of focus in Ch 3 and we learned all we needed to learn about him at this point beyond being that foreign student who worships the wind. He's home, motivations and how he actually feels about Erebonia which led him into enrolling at Thors. That arc was much less developing him (since he's already a fairly mature person with life goals already set out) and more expanding who he is.

In Emma's case I don't think they could have done anymore with her than at the present especially since she obliviously hiding some big plot stuff (beyond who she actually is) isn't ready to be talked about yet. There was no ways she hide the fact she was keeping secrets from them at Lohengrin Castle because of what was happening there. The others did prod her a bit to tell them about herself nobody forced her because a lot of people in Class VII were similarly keeping secrets themselves which they only came forward later on when their were ready (or no longer had obligations that kept them quiet) to speak about them. They can still naturally trust her because she been with them through several life and death situations and has never deliberate hindered them. In their mind if she hiding something it's probably a good reason so she earned a her benefit of a doubt.

It's also clear that she feels really bad about doing it and in of one of her bond events she does make it clear to Rean she is abnormal with her magic trick. By it is a strain for her to say anymore, partly because she afraid of what other would think about her.

I don't think the game's concept or rather Class VII's concept could have work without it being as big as it were nor could we have learned a lot about Erebonia in such natural fashion. If they supposed to be melting-pot of individuals from across the country that can breakdown social barriers and whatnot here and later in future this most authentic way sell that idea. Any less wouldn't workout nearly as well.

I wasn't referring to the conversation in Chapter 3, but what happens later on in Roer... which I guess you haven't seen yet. I just felt that her problem could have been resolved in a stronger way this game, since they really spent so much time on it. I just never really got that Alisa could confront her mother as an equal here, which is a shame since I thought she could have done it if she had handled her arguments better.

Spoiler for Roer:

I had actually just finished the first field day there where Alisa revealed how truly felt about her mother to Rean and things are bit different than I thought it was. The real reason she constantly angry with her is because she actually cares about how unhealthy her attachment to company has been ever since Alisa's dad died. It's destroyed much of her personal life and since it's grown too big she no longer even knows about everything goes on in it which is starting to cause problems now in Roer. Alisa worries she going to breakdown or waste away being chained to her desk as her entire life is basically the Reinford Group, especially after she cut herself off from her remaining family outside of Sharon. Regardless of how she might express herself to mother (who does not make easy hold a proper conversation with her to start with) Alisa's concerns and motivations are certainly not childish nor they based on selfishness. She certainly wants Irina to acknowledge her but more importantly return to her oldself even just a little so she can find a bit of happiness.

I don't see why it should be in question whether Alisa could equal her mother someday business-wise while being a better person. She has smarts and the workethic (only more reasonable) and she much better "people" person thanks to talking after her grandfather in how she looks out for others. Does she have immaturity in some aspects? Of course she does, they all do it and would weird if they didn't at their age. But Alisa doesn't come across who couldn't take of herself.

I know that they are saving stuff for the second game, but a part of me just feels that they could have gone the extra step to give some of the less-used party members some extra attention so at least had some development this game. I like the game, it's just that I feel they fumbled a bit with the large cast in this one, and I hope the sequel fixes that.

Well I'm not gonna stop you if that's how you feel, but I'm just saying that is how Falcom does things with this series it very no way an accident. If ToCS II is as good as TiTS SC was you will get more on the characters you didn't feel got as much attention in this game. YMMV otherwise.

[Iron Maw]

Holy ****, that Ch6 Boss!

What a hard as nails fight!

Between dealing with the constant floating mines that can rack up a tin of damage (on top of causing you party to faint) if not take care of immediately to the high level orbal art using robot sidekicks (which can petrify you and cause faint with their normal attacks) you got hardest battle in the game thus far. That say nothing Boss himself who is not only really fast, but can sever your ARCUS links (WTF?!) and his S-Craft will instant kill you if aren't defense buffed (then you just barely). I really lucked out by maxing the Alisa's Angel MQ before this fight since me from a gameover here.

One of few saving grace here is that he can be hit with faint status himself which is frankly pretty much mandatory that you do if not just have some room to breath.

[Iron Maw]

Whoa... I didn't know that Blue Destination would be the final battle theme for this game... well in this case a variant of it. ToCSII's version is different, most likely plays for when battle a certain someone on foot in the sequel. Eitherway it was great surprise since it's easily my favorite track in ToCS games which is impressive given how good OST has been in general. It's definitely this arc "Sliver Will" (TiTS), or "Inevitable Struggle" (Trail of Zero/Blue) as being the defining theme both in song and importance in the story.

That aside, the was a great last act to close out the game for now. The final dungeon was pretty fantastic in both aesthetics and sound (though I feel TiTS FC's beats it by a hair at being more epic, but it's equal footing with Zero's) and while not as challenging as "C", the boss (who had an awesome theme!) in there in was definitely no pushover. At least as far as the first playthrough is concerned anyway. Arguably one could consider the last boss of Old Schoolhouse the true final battle of game and everything that happened afterward an ending+epilogue really. The new gameplay mechanic/mode introduced at end was pretty fun imo even if was understandably rather barebones because you only gain access to it at very end. It really remind of the Gear battles in Xenogears with an even better potential for strategic depth once we get more actions.

Gameplaywise, I ended up keeping everyone with same MQ they stared with and decided to leave experimentation 2nd playthrough. With long it took to max them their originally ones I thought the were good enough to get me through the game as it was and I wasn't comfortable enough with alternatives yet to remove them.

On the plotside:

Spoiler for Thoughts on the finale and other odds and ends:

- For lots of overseas gamers like us Vita would either be the first or second (if you have played TiTS) Angis to have have appeared in the series. If you played the Japanese release she's the 4th. I had already spoiled about her real identity 2 year back so there surprise me here. That said even if haven't known she, I felt during last two chapters she had be acting fairly shady enough she was more just a radio host or opera singer. Her belonging to Ouroboros would have thrown me for a loop however, but not all that strange taking TiTS into account which showed anyone could be one of Ouroboros' leaders. That said Weissmann's reveal was more surprising since the clues were a bit less obvious so you could doubt his fake persona less. I also happy the unresolved all plot points from Liberl games are kicking into full gear, only it's somebody else problems to deal with now.

- I also knew about Osborne's assassination and start of civil war in Erebonia prior, but through Crossbell Arc spoilers since it's revealed in the 2nd game. So for me it was just seeing how things played out to that point and who did it. On that note, I'd say the crown of twist in this game was Crow being "C". It was pretty well done since there was just enough linking him to our masked friend... including the fact that there were only four characters that had appeared in the story so far whose names start with C. Hindsight it should have been more obvious, but Crow had pretty good alibi and I wasn't aware that orbal technology had advanced far enough where airship could be remove controlled.

- Oh Sharon, her being an Enforcer pretty explains everything about her superhuman antics and preparedness. All of them are more or less like that so not just a character quirk. I guess she sent to Reinfords originally as a spy, but then she does say she's on leave... I guess it's Rean and co's turn this time to be out manned, overpowered and always a step-behind for awhile.

I'm finally happy to able to look at second half of my artbook! While might be a bit late, but anyone who has look at it yet, it's not totally spoiler free. One section in talks two characters from Crossbell Arc one of profile burbs spoils something about the second character you wouldn't know about if you haven't played Trails of Zero. Though if you play ToCSII it's probably going to unavoidable. Those anther small spoiler near very end of artbook, but without any context you won't know what it means. You are likely to easily forget about by the time ToCS releases in October.

Anyway, that was a great game! It's by no means perfect, but the strengths certainly overcome it's share of shortcomings. Definitely a worth entry into the series. But man that cliffhanger... I'm already feeling the pain just think about the long wait late half of this year.

EDIT: Forgot to add that I went WTF when I found out that Micht was writer of those Carnelia novels and Toval was actually Toby mentioned in the story.

[Dawnstorm]

I also just finished the game.

As for the identity of C, I was spoiled so I was amusing myself with theories that I knew to be wrong. I'd have loved for C to be Celine. (It would have explained the need for a humanoid suit...)

My favourite theory, though, is C is...

...Mint. She'd have tried for M, but somehow managed to mess up. Also:

Spoiler:

The exploding airship at Garrellia Fortress would have had a rather plausible explanation, too...

Seriously, now:

I loved following all the students throughout the game. One of my favourite developments was Clara working on her sculputure becoming an unintended attraction at the festival.

It's clear a lot of love went into this game. It's among my top 3 RPGs for the PS3 (along with Tales of Graces f and Disgaea 4).

[Mahou]

Inevitable Struggle was good, but I still prefer for Ao no Kiseki Unfathomed Force (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZy1NTDelfM). That certain someone was hinted in ToCS1 for a ultra short appearance. For Unfathomed Force, I prefer the classic version over Ao no Kiseki Evolution's.

Spoiler:

Oh yeah, Sharon was great. I had always a good chuckle when Alisa stuttered her name during her sudden appearances . And the Cold Steel members have quite the overpowered support cast available. With CSII you may start to think that powerhouses like Victor and co are necessary but on an isolated view point the teachers (and Sharon) appeared totally bad@ss during the finale of CS1 . From my not so trusty memory Lloyd and Estelle + Joshua didn't have so much powerhouse support in quantity, even though the latter two became quite the good deal themselves with Zero + Ao. I mean I certainly wouldn't want Super Dad Cassius as an enemy (There's one awesome video for TitS 3rd).

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by Dawnstorm

I loved following all the students throughout the game. One of my favourite developments was Clara working on her sculputure becoming an unintended attraction at the festival.

It's clear a lot of love went into this game. It's among my top 3 RPGs for the PS3 (along with Tales of Graces f and Disgaea 4).

Agreed! The non-students like Annabell were good too IMO.

This series has a trademark on making tertiary NPCs fairly memorable, like Anton and Ricky for example who are basically show up every Trails game. It also really adds to events in the story later on because of it.

Originally Posted by Mahou

Inevitable Struggle was good, but I still prefer for Ao no Kiseki Unfathomed Force (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZy1NTDelfM). That certain someone was hinted in ToCS1 for a ultra short appearance. For Unfathomed Force, I prefer the classic version over Ao no Kiseki Evolution's.

Unfathomed Force also my favorite Boss theme from the Crossbell Arc (not counting Azure Arbitrator because nothing compares to that ) and it's pretty damn fitting for Ouroboros encounters in that game. What I mean is that Inevitable Struggle just feels like main theme for Trails of Zero and Azure like Silver Will and Blue Destination with Trails of the Sky and Cold Steel respectability. Those songs often play some most important events and battles in those games. They also share the pattern of being tied to certain characters.

Spoiler:

Oh yeah, Sharon was great. I had always a good chuckle when Alisa stuttered her name during her sudden appearances . And the Cold Steel members have quite the overpowered support cast available. With CSII you may start to think that powerhouses like Victor and co are necessary but on an isolated view point the teachers (and Sharon) appeared totally bad@ss during the finale of CS1 . From my not so trusty memory Lloyd and Estelle + Joshua didn't have so much powerhouse support in quantity, even though the latter two became quite the good deal themselves with Zero + Ao. I mean I certainly wouldn't want Super Dad Cassius as an enemy (There's one awesome video for TitS 3rd).

Spoiler:

I just loved the casual banter between the teachers when they just racking **** out of armored cars and giant mechs. It was particular awesome to see Beatrix with dat orbal sniper rifle (I think?).

Speaking of Sharon, I'm really interested in what role she gonna play in CSII after that reveal. I wonder if Irina even knows about this. It just makes how she ended up meeting the Reinfords even more curious.

Gah, I'm already having withdrawls. The wait for the continuation of this gonna be even more painful than FC>SC was. And the second half is coming out this year opposed to 5 years.

BTW, it doesn't seem like was mentioned here, but the DLC outfits have been up on PSN for awhile now. I just brought for my second play-through later on.

[Ringil]

I have to agree that Inevitable Struggle is the best song in Zero/Ao and I definitely think of it as the main theme.

[marvelB]

As far as battle themes go, I also wanna give Unfathomed Force a shout-out as my favorite of the Crossbell arc's. Really, I like Zero/Ao's soundtracks the best out of the Kiseki games, period. Just all-around awesome, IMO.


But seeing as this thread is for the Sen/CS titles, then my personal fave battle theme goes to.... (guess this might count, as a spoiler, so):

Spoiler for Sen 2:

Bring up Trust! from Sen 2. It's mainly played during some special boss fights, but the first time I heard it, I was pretty much blown away. But I especially like it because it wouldn't sound out of place at all in an Ys game. Man, I'd love to hear an arranged version of this theme....

[cloud04]

started playing this now on hard, its like a mix of every rpg out there lol..+ yandere simulator...
also dafaq that 3rd floor guardian -.- right off the bat 3 devil beam ohko everyone

[Se7enSword]

https://www.facebook.com/XSEEDTrails...43859172306159

Excellent progress

[Ringil]

Thanks for the link