Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[Kairin]

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[Stark700]

Definitely a fun episode of outdoor fun especially with the outdoor swimming. Einhard is also quite a swimmer now isn't she? Anyways, fun stuff.

[Takamura Mamoru]

Queen of Smug

[Nachtwandler]

I always amused me how Lutecia changed in this 4 years

[BWTraveller]

I just hope that she only makes Garyuu tend to the garden. Somehow I got a scary image of Garyuu as a maid.

[FlareKnight]

Now I'm wondering if JS and company had Lutecia on a serious dose of drugs during StrikerS. That's one heck of a personality shift.

Not a bad episode. Some good training in there. A chance for Einhart to pick up on the fact that there are other ways to fight and train. She's already insanely strong so boosting her up with more knowledge in terms of how to train efficiently will be a great benefit.

[Benigmatica]

Good episode this week. It's nice to see Einhart opening up to Vivio-chan, oh and not to mention the return of Riot Force 6 (minus Hayate and her knights).

[b33g]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Now I'm wondering if JS and company had Lutecia on a serious dose of drugs during StrikerS. That's one heck of a personality shift.

Well, she is under no pressure anymore, she has her mother back, and some nice friends for company (whose personality is quite similar). And half of the numbers. Which includes Sein. Not hard to get away from "Miss grumpyface".

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

She's already insanely strong.

I don't think Einhart is "insanely" strong. If she were, she'd be too strong to qualify for the tournament.
Just like the manga chapter, this episode shows Chris can communicate without talking.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by b33g

Well, she is under no pressure anymore, she has her mother back, and some nice friends for company (whose personality is quite similar). And half of the numbers. Which includes Sein. Not hard to get away from "Miss grumpyface".

There may be some ways to make it not as weird, but I still think that's way to drastic a personality shift. They basically were using her as the Fate-lite of StrikerS and certainly her personality isn't worlds apart from the original series even as an adult.

Feels more like they didn't want to anyone to share a semi-serious personality with Einhart so they just gave Lutetica a completely different personality. Anything is possible, but it's still pretty jarring.

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

I don't think Einhart is "insanely" strong. If she were, she'd be too strong to qualify for the tournament.
Just like the manga chapter, this episode shows Chris can communicate without talking.

Well now we're just being nitpicky on wording . She's certainly more physically powerful than the people within her small social circle. Of course if you then want to twist that to me implying she's stronger than Nanoha and company then I give up on words enitrely.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

I don't think Einhart is "insanely" strong. If she were, she'd be too strong to qualify for the tournament.
Just like the manga chapter, this episode shows Chris can communicate without talking.

She can give a combat cyborg a run for her money she is at least nearly as strong as many of strike force 6's core members were at the start of strikers that is "insanely" strong. the tournament is just for other "insanely" strong people as well.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by kagato3

She can give a combat cyborg a run for her money she is at least nearly as strong as many of strike force 6's core members were at the start of strikers that is "insanely" strong. the tournament is just for other "insanely" strong people as well.

I thought Nove was holding back, because if Nove really went all out, Einhart might be badly injured... at least.

[Takamura Mamoru]

Teana took out three combat cyborgs (including Nove) alone lmao, they are a joke in terms of power.

It's almost impossible to say how strong the Vivids are in comparison to the older cast, the only comparison point is the Einhart/Nove fight and Lutecia, and those aren't exactly enough to make an accurate judgment.
You can however say that Einhart is not "insanely strong" compared to the rest of the Vivids.

[Random Wanderer]

I always amused me how Lutecia changed in this 4 years

She makes me laugh. It's a drastic shift to be sure, but I don't mind it. She's fun this way, and I'm glad to see that her experiences during the Jail Scaglietti incident don't seem to have left permanent psychological scars.

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Well now we're just being nitpicky on wording . She's certainly more physically powerful than the people within her small social circle.

Actually, if you want to talk about pure physical power, one of the other girls has Einhart beat by a handy margin. In fact, I suspect that girl may be the physically strongest character yet seen in any of the Nanoha series.

Speaking of which, they screwed up here:

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[kagato3]

Originally Posted by novalysis

I thought Nove was holding back, because if Nove really went all out, Einhart might be badly injured... at least.

She may not have been going full out but: a) it is clear Nove has not been slacking off on combat training since strikers and still wasn't able to cleanly beat Einhart b) is now using a Device and not just her IS as in strikers and Einhart shrugged off her attacks before she used it c) Nove was hurt enough that going after Einhart wasn't an option. So basically you have a middle school girl that is at the level of a member of the countries elite military forces

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by kagato3

She may not have been going full out but: a) it is clear Nove has not been slacking off on combat training since strikers and still wasn't able to cleanly beat Einhart b) is now using a Device and not just her IS as in strikers and Einhart shrugged off her attacks before she used it c) Nove was hurt enough that going after Einhart wasn't an option. So basically you have a middle school girl that is at the level of a member of the countries elite military forces

Nove let herself lose in order to get that tracer on to Einhart. She took a hard hit that left her at less than top form, yes, but had she been fighting to win that hit wouldn't have landed in the first place. Einhart's attacks are powerful, certainly, but we don't actually know how she would fare in a true match against Nove.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Nove let herself lose in order to get that tracer on to Einhart. She took a hard hit that left her at less than top form, yes, but had she been fighting to win that hit wouldn't have landed in the first place. Einhart's attacks are powerful, certainly, but we don't actually know how she would fare in a true match against Nove.

I still don't think that makes any sense. If Nouve is fighting at full power she's going to get a hit in which means she can land a tracer anyways. But regardless if she goes all out in the fight she may not need a tracer. That doesn't seem to be a reason for her to throw a fight and get knocked around.

I'll treat it more as Nouve just getting taken down but getting some fair parting shots in.

[Rising Dragon]

There's at least one instance of a human being physically more powerful than a Combat Cyborg, so Einhart overpowering Nove isn't that farfetched.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I still don't think that makes any sense. If Nouve is fighting at full power she's going to get a hit in which means she can land a tracer anyways. But regardless if she goes all out in the fight she may not need a tracer. That doesn't seem to be a reason for her to throw a fight and get knocked around.

I'll treat it more as Nouve just getting taken down but getting some fair parting shots in.

Nove wasn't sure she could win. Maybe she could have, maybe she couldn't, she didn't know at that point. Her objective was to capture a criminal, not beat up a villain, so rather than take a chance on not being able to win the fight by not planting a tracer, or the chance that the tracer might get damaged by continuing to fight after planting it, she let herself get beaten. Unlike Einhart she had the advantage of reinforcements she could call in quickly. As long as anyone she called caught Einhart, Nove still completed her objective. She won as far as she's concerned. She took the far more mature perspective that she was just a single part of a team trying to capture a criminal, and that a victory for the team is a victory for each of them, rather than trying to play hero by handling everything herself and maybe end up completely losing altogether.

[b33g]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Speaking of which, they screwed up here:

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The most important letter grade is displayed incorrectly, conveying the exact opposite of what it's supposed to mean.

They didn't screw up anything. It's a perfect copy from the manga (other than the manga version being super plain). Yeah, no idea what's going on there.