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Alto x VF 171 | 32 | 12.31% | |
Ozma x Bobby | 13 | 5.00% | |
Ranka x Sheryl | 42 | 16.15% | |
Sheryl x Alto | 199 | 76.54% | |
Yasaburo x Alto | 5 | 1.92% | |
Ranka x Ai-kun | 38 | 14.62% | |
Alto x Klan | 14 | 5.38% | |
Ranka x Alto | 54 | 20.77% | |
Ranka x Brera | 37 | 14.23% | |
Klan x Michael | 101 | 38.85% | |
Ozma x Cathy | 111 | 42.69% | |
Luca x Nanase | 41 | 15.77% | |
Wilder x Monica | 41 | 15.77% | |
Alto x VF25 | 37 | 14.23% | |
Yasaburo x Alto's father | 10 | 3.85% | |
Alto x Brera | 18 | 6.92% | |
Grace x Ranka | 12 | 4.62% | |
Nanase x Ranka | 21 | 8.08% | |
Sheryl x Klan | 24 | 9.23% | |
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2008-06-08, 02:05 | Link #21 | |
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2008-06-08, 02:27 | Link #22 | |
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One wanted him to stop flying, to quit everything so they could play house... while with the other, they found they'd strengthened one another over their years of association - he became more assertive and his judgement was more tempered by Misa's influence, while Misa learned to enjoy life again and to not fear the dark realms of the heart because of Hikaru. |
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This wasn't in the original Macross 0 movie, but before she kissed Alto, she indirectly voiced out Mao's thoughts in her head--that is clearly analogous to her own feelings. She said, "Do you love my sister(my idol Sheryl), Shin(Alto)? Look at me too, because I also--" Love you? I thought it was pretty apparent that this small gesture said a lot about her developing feelings for Alto himself--not her issues with Sheryl 'loving' him as well. I think to Ranka, Alto and Sheryl are already going out now. Quote:
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I can see Ranka being more popular on Frontier (home town girl!) but it makes no sense for Sheryl's popularity to go down even if Ranka's is higher. (and she would still be popular everywhere else in the galaxy anyway!) I mean it's not like Ranka Lee is going to do a 50 Cent and try and obliterate Sheryl/Ja Rule from the charts.... Quote:
That's why the chances of Ranka dying imo are quite high, because I figure it too be significant chance if pair her up with Alto (bittersweet ending!). As well as the chance of it happening if Sheryl is paired up with Alto instead.,Sheryl being the Isamu to Ranka's Guld so to say. I still think that at the end of the show Ranka will be a massive star which doesn't bode well for her being paired with Alto. It would be a long distance relationship unless she stayed exclusively on Frontier. I also don't see Ranka giving up on stardom since it will be new to her, if anyone gives up on stardom it will be Sheryl because she's found something better. Also going by her episode 5 comment of "They come out on their own whim... *look on her face changes* on their own whim..." her path to stardom might not have been as nice as Ranka's. Add in the chances of Grace being connected to Brera/Varja and probably someone ordered to watch over her. |
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Relationships are built off of common interests and shared ideals, rather than on mutual pity. What we need to see is more development from Ranka in understanding Alto's passion for flying, or in why he needs to fight (one thing that she'll need to overcome here is her fear of loss, seeing how Ozma was forced to keep his piloting a secret for all these years in order to avoid making Ranka's trauma recurr). In short, the part that needs to be developed next is why Ranka wants to be with Alto, rather than why she doesn't want to lose him. Quote:
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You know, if you really want to know the outcome of a romantic pairing, you should just find a flower and pull the petals off one by one. All this cast list stuff is too complicated.
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2008-06-08, 13:02 | Link #28 | |
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Later, in ep. 3, Michel challenges Alto on the whole running away issue, and he never really answers that challenge. Indeeds, he still hasn't answered that question. What does happen is he runs into Ranka at the observatory in ep. 3. Of course, he gives Ranka some important encouragement, but I think in encouraging her, he encourages himself. Alto goes very quickly from frustrated adolescent to thoughtful contentment--surely there's a significance to that. And then in ep. 4, we see Alto go downright apeshit against that Vajra when he thinks of what had happened to Ranka. IMO, Alto doesn't just fly for the sake of flying--I think Sheryl sings for the sake of singing, or rather, for the sake of excelling at her chosen profession. I think Alto does genuinely enjoy flying for similar reasons, but in ep. 3, Ozma tells Alto to think on "What you want to do, what for, and why you fight." I think Alto *fights* in large part to protect, and the person he's always protecting just happens to be Ranka, which is very much part of the "why" and "what for" in Ozma's query. Which is, of course, why Ozma *fights*--highlighting another similarity between the two characters (I remember Ozma's CO in ep. 4 commenting on how Alto's flying reminded him of Ozma in his younger days). Finally, I think it's a mistake to characterize Ranka and Alto's relationship as somehow based on mutual pity; they both really help each other, but in different ways. Alto almost drives himself to distraction with his determination at times, because he frequently doesn't know how to direct it in a productive way. Ranka provides a goal for him IMO, but she's more than that--I think she has a calming effect on him. Again, returning to the observatory scene, Alto goes from snarling frustration at Michel's accusation to contentedly folding a paper airplane, which seems to be associated with the happier parts of Alto's childhood (I think there was footage of that in the latest preview). When Ranka sings Aimo, Alto says "That's right," which I interpret as his own resolution that his desire to fight goes beyond his family problems--the same question he couldn't answer himself before he ran into Ranka. I also think it's significant that it's Aimo that serves as the bridge in between the observatory scene, the burial, and Alto's official enlistment. Yes, he speaks brave words about going it alone and independence, but he really did need Ranka and her song to arrive at that conclusion. |
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Alto and Sheryl fly and sing because they just do, Ranka sings to be heard and I think Alto would go gar for anyone he considers a friend, see his reaction to Luca being taken in episode 7. I do wonder if we will and I'm hoping we do. I'm curious to see whether will get any information about the previous relationship between Cathy and Ozma or will we just have to read in between the lines. Considering how Cathy commented on how she wished he worried about her as much as he did Ranka I wonder if it was sorta similar to Isamu and Myung, just without Guld. The you love flying more than you love me thing. |
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2008-06-08, 13:30 | Link #30 | |
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Furthermore, before he joined SMS, it's unclear how Alto was going to find a way of flying that would be fulfilling to him. Unless he became Sheryl's main aerial acrobat or something. But he ended up saving Ranka instead, and joining SMS. |
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2008-06-08, 13:42 | Link #31 | |
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While Alto first gets into a VF to protect Ranka, I doubt that he would have simply watched and let anyone die, regardless of who it was. Could you point me to a specific scene where Alto says that he's piloting for Ranka's sake? And even if he is, then what does that have to do with developing a romantic interest on his part? Quote:
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Ozma fights to protect Ranka because he feels guilt over what happened. He also thinks of her as his little sister. I don't think that's what you intended on paralleling. Quote:
It's going to be necessarily harder for anyone to prove a romantic interest on Alto's part, since we don't really know all that much about him to begin with. You should probably start by trying to elucidate what the nature of Ranka's interest in Alto is. We know that she thinks that he's helpful and pretty, but I was thinking about something more along the lines of shared interests, goals, or ideals. What happens during peacetime when there's nothing to protect? |
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He had a strong desire to simply fly way before he met Ranka, and hes always dreamed of piloting the newest Valkyrie. Thats been revealed very early on in the story. It has almost nothing to do with Ranka. Quote:
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Look at some of his lines earlier on, and even in episode 5, where he says he hates city-ships because the 'sky is too low', a comment he made all the way back in the beginning of episode 1. He wanted to fly to escape his father and his past, since he didn't think he could transcend either by staying on the ground. Quote:
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Episode 5 was where he got his explanation of why he SHOULD fly - because it was something that he would keep trying to do, if he want meant to fly, as Sheryl sings and Klein fights in a Queadlunn-Rauu. Episode 6 shows him embracing that reason, which is probably why he ends up fighting like a madman next episode even as he feels himself out of his depth watching the supposedly slower, more sluggish Armored VF-25 outperforming him due to Ozma's skill and burning passion. However, we're not sure if there's anything ROMANTIC on his side yet. I suspect his upbringing has confused his gender identity a tad.. or at least where romances are concerned, since I've yet to see him really think of any girl in a romantic way. Recognize sex appeal? Heck yes. Romantic interests? Not a whit - and he's actively chased away any girl who has, on the assumption they wanted Sakura-hime or a tie to the Saotome family. Alto's quite fond of Ranka, and wants to protect and encourage her... but then again, so's Sheryl. Yet, at the same time, Alto's quite fond of Sheryl and feels free enough with her to argue and yell at her when he thinks she's wrong or being a bitch... but that doesn't imply love. Lust, quite possibly - she's quite sexy, but not necessarily love there either. However, the foundations FOR love have been laid between those two... and Ranka's busily trying to set up foundations for herself and Alto, now she's starting to recognize that she was jealous at the mall, then at the "Legend of Zero" shoot. |
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In episode three, there are two lines that strike me as important: First, after being rescued by Michael and dropping into the shelter: "I was saved by him again." The second, when Sheryl tells Alto that he should try to be supportive to Ranka when they are trapped inside: "Shut up! If I could, I'd say it as many times as you want! But as I am now..." These lines are spoken even before Alto learns about Ranka's past. Both convey a his feelings of helplessness at dealing with the circumstances around him. Based on this, I suspect that retaking control of his life could be the driving factor in his decision to pilot. As a later example, when he learns about how Ozma kept his piloting a secret from Ranka, he becomes furious, but curiously, the line that he delivers is: "I would have wanted to know everything." His choice of words give his response an oddly personal twist. Again, his intense dislike of being left in the dark links back to the control issue; with knowledge comes the freedom to make your own decisions. It could have a more specific meaning as well, but for that we'll have to wait and see. The statement regarding 'a chance' is meant to show Ranka that the SMS's offer had a similar meaning to himself as the Miss Macross competition did to Ranka (that's why he follows up with "Which is why you shouldn't give up either.") It represents a chance to break free of his past life and gain control over his life. It's practically impossible to figure out what Alto's motives are for certain based on what little information we have, but this is my weak attempt to piece what we have together. Hopefully next episode will give us more of Alto's back story, so that we can have something a little more solid to work with. Quote:
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Another example of this was in episode 1 right after Alto met Ranka. He clearly didn't want to do the exhibition, but after his encounter with Ranka, for SOME reason, he felt pumped up to do the job. Alto clearly has a positive effect on Ranka, but I will also say that she also has her own influences on Alto unbeknownst to her awareness. Quote:
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Now, I can see you argue Alto is still escaping. I don't disagree with you on that part but it still doesn't make Alto in same line of Ranka. Deep down in bones, Alto is the same kind animal of Sheryl who would go after whatever they want. The only difference between them is that Sheryl knows what she wants but Alto is confused and doesn't exactly konw what he wants. It's understandable. Despite his love of flying is pure and sincere, he doesn't know what flying means to him @coughStarDatecough@. His passion only tells he must fly but doesn't tell how to fly and where to fly. His hesitation comes from not understanding and confusion. But Ranka's is from low self-esteem. Once Alto fully understands what he wants, he would go to take it in a way similiarly to Sheryl. On the other hand, Ranka knows from beginning she wants to be sb like Sheryl and find her wanting to be heard in ep 3, but she never goes straightforward to her wantings. Even in ep 10, she need Sheryl to ask her to respond those who is calling for her. In short, even though they both hesitate in choosing their own paths, they do for different reasons. Alto asks himself if this is really what he wants while Ranka asks if this is sth she can do. I don't think Ranka and Alto are same in core. Quote:
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Ranka similiarly has a control issue with regards to her own fate - at some level she remembers that she lost her family, but blanks it out of her day-to-day thoughts. The issue with wanting to be heard is that she doesn't want to die unrecognized, and completely forgotten the way her family has been except as anonymous victims of the Vajra. She wants to be heard, to be remembered... and the fear that she never will be, or that nobody will pay attention to her, is why she's always going "if only I was good enough". Ozma hasn't exactly been the most supportive of her in this regard, which is why she immediately glomped onto Alto as a new pillar of support after Episode 3's speech with its "If you keep saying that, then you're right - you don't deserve it" sentiment. Quote:
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Fighting is in the end a deliberate choice as well - one can choose to fly away from the fight, rather than charge into the middle of it. Alto chose, perhaps stupidly, to charge into battle without a weapon rather than fall back and wait for support in Episode 4 during the Vajra attack. He also chose to fight in Episode 1, by jumping into Graham's craft, and then again made the decision to go into combat by joining SMS in the first place while being aware that the Vajra existed and that units like the SMS were formed specifically to fight them (episode 3 made this revelation). Alto may not have made the distinction, though. Quote:
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Sheryl's confronted many of her demons, so may be ready to start something.. once she gets past the whole vulnerability phobia she seems to have. Ranka needs to get past the "if only I was good enough to" thing... and Alto needs to discover that he doesn't have to run away from everything, and that he has to choose to do things FOR himself, rather than in defiance of something else. Quote:
In that way, he's much like Ranka, who also needed a push (usually the plane, or else Sheryl's kiss) to move into action without regrets or thoughts of doubt to sabotage her. Once this happens, she's also similarly a juggernaut... and in doing so landed an agent, then a major supporting role in a movie. Which, in turn, seems to be driving her towards Minmay-style 'lonely at the top' superstardom. Incidentally, Grace is the reason Sheryl has much more intel on Alto than Ranka. Major Grace O'Connor seems to have a gift for being nosy... |
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