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Tempest35 · 2014-02-21, 23:59

Ayaka is allowed a lot more leeway since she's in charge of guarding Honoka - and for good reason. She can't be expected to follow the normal chain of command, especially when her chain consists of her mother who's also in charge of her area and keeping Honoka sealed as well.

Ayaka can get away with murder - IF it was in the defense of Honoka. She'll still be punished but she won't get nearly as much flak as someone else might.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2014-02-22, 06:19

As I once pointed out, Kazane is the Patrician and Ayaka is technically the princess. Kazane is the final decider of law and order in the city, as a part of her responsibilities as a Workshop Witch. Though as we see with Medusa, she still has her limits when it comes to international incidences and when the German Ambassadors come knocking. Kazane has absolute power, but only in her city.

Random Wanderer · 2014-02-22, 10:50

Given how quickly those idiots lost Medusa, I doubt she's going to just hand her over to them next time.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2014-02-22, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Given how quickly those idiots lost Medusa, I doubt she's going to just hand her over to them next time.

Nothing she can do about saying no. All evidence point to Germany being Workshop HQ, and that a lot of Kazane's authority came from her being a recognised leader of the organisation. Her authority only lasts as long as the organisation agrees to it.

Random Wanderer · 2014-02-22, 12:09

I think she's in a position to argue that they've proved they can't hold Medusa so they have no business demanding she be handed over to them.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2014-02-22, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

I think she's in a position to argue that they've proved they can't hold Medusa so they have no business demanding she be handed over to them.

Kazane has even less resources to hold Medusa, and in the end she is a ruler of a distant province, she can't really oppose the whole of Germany. Remember, Kazane is not the ruler of Japan; she is just the ruler of one city.

The Roc Riders appear to be powerful enough that

Spoiler for later content:

So there is no guarantee that Kazane could have used force to get what she wanted, politics aside.

Miraluka · 2014-02-22, 13:19

Hey guys, I've started watching the series, I'll post my first impression later.

tsunade666 · 2014-02-22, 14:38

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Probably be better to tell us your impressions after episode four rather than a first impression. This story has an unusually long set-up.

my first impression for this show doesn't change even watching it up to episode 6. The the guy is a sh*t and my kill list while the witches are good. Nice animation for magic and nice fighting scenes. The tower witches are also funny

pretty entertaining if I censor the sole guy's existence in the series

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2014-02-22, 20:35

I recently had a look at a really ancient cookbook. The forward had something along the lines of "A woman's worth is measured by her housekeeping and cooking skills. This is the same as with a man who, no matter how else he may be good, couldn't support himself financially or defend himself in a fight, would be considered worthless".

Now, in modern society, we no longer judge women by their home economics capabilities. And yet, men are STILL judged by their financial and combat prowess.

I just find it interesting that on the internet, there is widespread condemnation of Honoka for not being able to defend himself. Which as I point out, is no different from condemning a female character for not being able to cook. So at least one part of sexism certainly remains.

And this even shows with Honoka himself, who insists that he should fight because of his misguided belief that it is the only thing that matters.

ID555 · 2014-02-22, 21:08

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

I recently had a look at a really ancient cookbook. The forward had something along the lines of "A woman's worth is measured by her housekeeping and cooking skills. This is the same as with a man who, no matter how else he may be good, couldn't support himself financially or defend himself in a fight, would be considered worthless".

Now, in modern society, we no longer judge women by their home economics capabilities. And yet, men are STILL judged by their financial and combat prowess.

I just find it interesting that on the internet, there is widespread condemnation of Honoka for not being able to defend himself. Which as I point out, is no different from condemning a female character for not being able to cook. So at least one part of sexism certainly remains.

And this even shows with Honoka himself, who insists that he should fight because of his misguided belief that it is the only thing that matters.

Haha that's very interesting.

Honoka's far from the spineless hero type though. Like you said, apart from his lack of combat ability, he's got his head straight in other aspects of his life.

Also as has been hinted at, as Honoka's seals weaken further, he'll probably get stronger as well and be able to use more of Evermillion's power. Then, some of you will get your typical shounen lead that you can fantasize about.

Tempest35 · 2014-02-22, 22:19

Which is funny in the respect that the more power he draws from Evermillion, the more of a danger he is to himself and to everyone else. Which makes it 'cool' for some people because [strong people don't answer to anyone but themselves].

SinsI · 2014-02-22, 22:45

I, for one, would prefer if he becomes more like Jumon Asuta (from Sekai Seifuku) instead. Witchcraft Works would only win if it gets some more light-hearted comedy.

kujoe · 2014-02-22, 22:59

In Witch Craft Works, fighting with magic involves way more than just magic.

Certainly a lot of it helps, but as we've already seen, witches use everything from guns, swords, whips and even summoned henchmen. Most witches mix everything from magic to physical skill and prowess. A good example is Kazane, who isn't just a beast with magic, but fights on a physical level as well. Heck, it wasn't shown in episode 7, but in the corresponding manga chapter she whips out some brass knuckles while Ayaka was in her fused Medusa form. And Kazane won.

So whenever I see Honoka being interested in training with Ayaka, I assume it's more than just the spell craft side of it. He wants to be able to handle himself in a "fight" after all, but then again when you already have Evermillion on your side, most (if not all) threats should be easy peasy.

DragoonKain3 · 2014-02-23, 02:40

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Now, in modern society, we no longer judge women by their home economics capabilities. And yet, men are STILL judged by their financial and combat prowess.

Meh, I just kinda accepted that double standards are not uncommon in terms of gender. Like if you're male your car insurance is at least twice of women, or how a promiscuous male is praised as a 'player' while a promiscuous female is derogatory called a 'slut'. :shrug:

Anh_Minh · 2014-02-23, 03:00

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

I recently had a look at a really ancient cookbook. The forward had something along the lines of "A woman's worth is measured by her housekeeping and cooking skills. This is the same as with a man who, no matter how else he may be good, couldn't support himself financially or defend himself in a fight, would be considered worthless".

Now, in modern society, we no longer judge women by their home economics capabilities.

Yeah, nowadays we just want to know if she's pretty.

ID555 · 2014-02-23, 12:24

Spoiler for ep 8:

servidor · 2014-02-23, 14:51

The musical piece played while Ayaka was in junior high, was quite nice.

Myssa Rei · 2014-02-23, 19:14

Yeah, the part in the manga where it suddenly reveals that Honoka's actually ridiculously toned, was both a massive surprise, as well as a later plot point. Too bad the anime didn't keep it in.

Bonta Kun · 2014-02-23, 19:47

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Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Yeah, the part in the manga where it suddenly reveals that Honoka's actually ridiculously toned, was both a massive surprise, as well as a later plot point. Too bad the anime didn't keep it in.

Well they gave us nurse Kagari so all good with me

Been waiting for this more than I should have but in the end I don't really care that I did, just loved it!

My favourite moment this season.

kujoe · 2014-02-23, 20:03

Well, the anime did lessen Ayaka's height...

and so, they nerfed Honoka's abs as well.

It's a strange decision to be honest. Perhaps it was too much work?

2014-02-21, 23:59	Link #821
Tempest35 Awe of She Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Orlando	Ayaka is allowed a lot more leeway since she's in charge of guarding Honoka - and for good reason. She can't be expected to follow the normal chain of command, especially when her chain consists of her mother who's also in charge of her area and keeping Honoka sealed as well. Ayaka can get away with murder - IF it was in the defense of Honoka. She'll still be punished but she won't get nearly as much flak as someone else might. __________________ "Focus entirely on me, you ordinary soldier."

2014-02-22, 06:19	Link #822
Vallen Chaos Valiant Logician and Romantic Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Within my mind Age: 43	As I once pointed out, Kazane is the Patrician and Ayaka is technically the princess. Kazane is the final decider of law and order in the city, as a part of her responsibilities as a Workshop Witch. Though as we see with Medusa, she still has her limits when it comes to international incidences and when the German Ambassadors come knocking. Kazane has absolute power, but only in her city. __________________

2014-02-22, 10:50	Link #823
Random Wanderer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Given how quickly those idiots lost Medusa, I doubt she's going to just hand her over to them next time. __________________

2014-02-22, 12:09	Link #825
Random Wanderer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	I think she's in a position to argue that they've proved they can't hold Medusa so they have no business demanding she be handed over to them. __________________

2014-02-22, 20:35	Link #829
Vallen Chaos Valiant Logician and Romantic Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Within my mind Age: 43	I recently had a look at a really ancient cookbook. The forward had something along the lines of "A woman's worth is measured by her housekeeping and cooking skills. This is the same as with a man who, no matter how else he may be good, couldn't support himself financially or defend himself in a fight, would be considered worthless". Now, in modern society, we no longer judge women by their home economics capabilities. And yet, men are STILL judged by their financial and combat prowess. I just find it interesting that on the internet, there is widespread condemnation of Honoka for not being able to defend himself. Which as I point out, is no different from condemning a female character for not being able to cook. So at least one part of sexism certainly remains. And this even shows with Honoka himself, who insists that he should fight because of his misguided belief that it is the only thing that matters. __________________

2014-02-22, 13:19	Link #827
Miraluka Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 34	Hey guys, I've started watching the series, I'll post my first impression later.

2014-02-22, 22:19	Link #831
Tempest35 Awe of She Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Orlando	Which is funny in the respect that the more power he draws from Evermillion, the more of a danger he is to himself and to everyone else. Which makes it 'cool' for some people because [strong people don't answer to anyone but themselves]. __________________ "Focus entirely on me, you ordinary soldier."

2014-02-22, 22:45	Link #832
SinsI Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	I, for one, would prefer if he becomes more like Jumon Asuta (from Sekai Seifuku) instead. Witchcraft Works would only win if it gets some more light-hearted comedy.

2014-02-22, 22:59	Link #833
kujoe from head to heel Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Age: 42	In Witch Craft Works, fighting with magic involves way more than just magic. Certainly a lot of it helps, but as we've already seen, witches use everything from guns, swords, whips and even summoned henchmen. Most witches mix everything from magic to physical skill and prowess. A good example is Kazane, who isn't just a beast with magic, but fights on a physical level as well. Heck, it wasn't shown in episode 7, but in the corresponding manga chapter she whips out some brass knuckles while Ayaka was in her fused Medusa form. And Kazane won. So whenever I see Honoka being interested in training with Ayaka, I assume it's more than just the spell craft side of it. He wants to be able to handle himself in a "fight" after all, but then again when you already have Evermillion on your side, most (if not all) threats should be easy peasy.

2014-02-23, 12:24	Link #836
ID555 Kamaboko smash & grab Join Date: Nov 2009	Spoiler for ep 8: Great episode . Too many things to single out. That 'feast for breakfast' gag is getting ridiculous though...

2014-02-23, 14:51	Link #837
servidor Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Monterrey	The musical piece played while Ayaka was in junior high, was quite nice.

2014-02-23, 19:14	Link #838
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Yeah, the part in the manga where it suddenly reveals that *Honoka's actually ridiculously toned*, was both a massive surprise, as well as a later plot point. Too bad the anime didn't keep it in. __________________

2014-02-23, 20:03	Link #840
kujoe from head to heel Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Age: 42	Well, the anime did lessen Ayaka's height... and so, they nerfed Honoka's abs as well. It's a strange decision to be honest. Perhaps it was too much work?