Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll

[richardtengcy]

Guys how many of you have seen the different version of Moe-Moe-Kyun from past anime?

So far the best moe-moe kyun pose i found that i like best is still Mio Akinawa (K-On), Sena version is cute but a bit letdown.....cannot feel the moe-moe kyun feeling

[SilverSyko]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I did not say anything about Sena's superiority complex. But if you are going to put that in, Sena is an overachiever and is proud of it. She does not bully and attack people to feel superior to them. She just tries her hardest and wants praise for it. Yes, she is conceited, but no, she does not harm people in doing so.

And treating all the boys in her school as servants and pets doesn't classify as pushing people around? Sure they may be willing to do it, but if they do they're just horny sheep feeding her ego. The other girls in the school seem to take harm from it as well since they all hate her.

Tries her hardest huh? When have we seen Sena struggling with anything? She's Ms. Perfect. It's even been shown a few times that she can perfect anything she does in just several hours.

I don't respect bullies, period. I've stood up to many bullies in my life in protection of those less fortunate, and it never ceases to amaze me how bullies tend to do so in order to cover for own weaknesses. It is the same with Yozora. Whenever anyone stands up to her or proves her wrong, she seems to always craw back into uncertainty and insecurity. She plots to put the others down in order to get closer to Kodaka, but it usually backfires against her. She is both a bully and a deceitful schemer.

What Rika did this episode with her "tsundere" act is what I would classify going too far and being a bully. She was actually kicking Kodaka, making him do things against his will and violently knocking things over. If that's how Yozora acted on a regular basis then I would agree she is one, but that's not the case.

I think you're seeing negative things in her that aren't actually there. Her pranks are for the benefit of the club members, namely Sena and Maria.

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

No one except Kodaka and Yukimura are respectable.

Interesting thing to say from someone who has compared herself to Yozora on several instances.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Sena tries hard to become the best at everything she does. Yes, she is conceited, but she does not intentionally put others down. She just feels superior herself, but works to become the best. Her flaws are her arrogance and naivity.

Erm no, Sena doesn't have to try hard at all. She's naturally talented remember?

Does not intentionally put others down? Is that why she's a Goddess gracing mere humans with her presence?

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Yes, it is fun to pick on someone who does that, but just to bring them down to earth and prove them wrong. It is another thing to constantly do it in spite and to intentionally hurt them. It's ok to humble someone, but it's not ok to bully them. That is the distinction that needs to be made.

Sena is that kid from when you were young, who boasts too high and cries and runs away when people challenge her and she loses.

She should probably focus hard not opening her mouth... That seem to work fine for Yukimura.

Originally Posted by Dark Faith

I'm not watching other anime though, am I?
Given the rest of the cast, and even the setting of this show, Yozora comes off as a bully. She goes the extra mile to embarass and humiliate Sena. All. The. Time.

But you HAVE watched other Animes haven't you? You have experienced other stories and have been able to remember how much of a gap there is between a prankster and a real bully.


Thats call having a rival and a mortal enemy- Sena isn't some helpless innocent girl.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

And treating all the boys in her school as servants and pets doesn't classify as pushing people around? Sure they may be willing to do it, but if they do they're just horny sheep feeding her ego. The other girls in the school seem to take harm from it as well since they all hate her.

Wow, that's really stretching it. And who is she hurting again? The guys? Umm... They are willing to do it. The girls? Seriously now... They are jealous of her for how the guys treat her. So now, since people are jealous of you, then you automatically become the person doing harm to them?

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Tries her hardest huh? When have we seen Sena struggling with anything? She's Ms. Perfect. It's even been shown multiple times that she can perfect anything she does in just several hours.

Well, there is not much to argue on this point. From this episode, we could either interpret that she is naturally talented or that she actually tried to achieve all those things in order to be number one. It is all to perspective with the information we have been given.

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

What Rika did this episode with her "tsundere" act is what I would classify going too far and being a bully. She was actually kicking Kodaka, making him do things against his will and violently knocking things over. If that's how Yozora acted on a regular basis then I would agree she is one, but that's not the case.

Bullying is bullying. There are different types of bullying, but they are bullying nonetheless. Just because she does a less severe type of bullying still means that she is bullying.

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

I think you're seeing negative things in her that aren't actually there. Her pranks are for the benefit of the club members, namely Sena and Maria.

Apparently, I'm not the only one if you read other people's posts. Is her intention really to help Sena and Maria? Or does she have some sort of self satisfaction in doing so? From what we've seen of her, it seems like she really feels good to put others down.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Does not intentionally put others down? Is that why she's a Goddess gracing mere humans with her presence?

Umm... Yes, she is conceited. We both agree on that. You can hate her for being conceited, but you have to agree that she does not in full conscience try to harm people in doing so.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Sena is that kid from when you were young, who boasts too high and cries and runs away when people challenge her and she loses.

Sadly, Yozora is the one doing that right now, at least the part where she runs away when people challenge and she loses. As I said, I do agree with you that Sena is conceited, and for a lot of accounts, she backs up what she is conceited about.

As Sumeragi pointed out, essentially all of them have faults. That's why they don't have any friends.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Bullying is bullying. There are different types of bullying, but they are bullying nonetheless. Just because she does a less severe type of bullying still means that she is bullying.

Sena is not a helpless girl. She's an idiot, but she's not some frail helpless girl.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Apparently, I'm not the only one if you read other people's posts. Is her intention really to help Sena and Maria? Or does she have some sort of self satisfaction in doing so? From what we've seen of her, it seems like she really feels good to put others down.

And apparently Sena feels terrible for being a goddess among human...

Tell me something though, why doesn't she do anything to Yukimura and Kobato then?

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Umm... Yes, she is conceited. We both agree on that. You can hate her for being conceited, but you have to agree that she does not in full conscience try to harm people in doing so.

I don't see how that makes things any better or excusable especially when she does it constantly.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Sadly, Yozora is the one doing that right now, at least the part where she runs away when people challenge and she loses. As I said, I do agree with you that Sena is conceited, and for a lot of accounts, she backs up what she is conceited about.

I'm going to have to ask for an example of this where she runs away when challenged and lost. In the two events where she puts down Rika's movie and game and was proven wrong, she admits that she was wrong and apologized.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Kind of disappointed Yozora couldn't resist trying the outfit on even after everyone left, but I suppose a bitch still is girl too.

There, corrected for you.

Originally Posted by Shinova

It's partly Sena's fault she's so dense that she falls for the most obvious tricks so consistently.

I do not think Sena is dense (or dumb), she is more like Medaka (from Medaka boobs) that she really wants to try to be Yozora's friend, putting faith in her when most people would have already given up. Yeah, that is an outrageous personality trait, but if you think for a moment, NONE of the club members are normal, it is just that some are odd and some are plain abnormal.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by ogon_bat

I do not think Sena is dense (or dumb), she is more like Medaka (from Medaka boobs) that she really wants to try to be Yozora's friend, putting faith in her when most people would have already given up. Yeah, that is an outrageous personality trait, but if you think for a moment, NONE of the club members are normal, it is just that some are odd and some are plain abnormal.

What happened to calling an idiot an idiot? This isn't her first streak of stupidity.

[SilverSyko]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Wow, that's really stretching it. And who is she hurting again? The guys? Umm... They are willing to do it. The girls? Seriously now... They are jealous of her for how the guys treat her. So now, since people are jealous of you, then you automatically become the person doing harm to them?

Maybe it's a stretch, but I can't really disregard it. You're just shoving the blame onto the girls that hate her rather than Sena herself. Nobody is perfect, so I think someone who believes they are is just asking to hated unless they change their attitude. The guys are just feeding her arrogance and conceitedness and making it even worse. Jealousy may or may not have a part in this, but there's no guarantee it does.

Well, there is not much to argue on this point. From this episode, we could either interpret that she is naturally talented or that she actually tried to achieve all those things in order to be number one. It is all to perspective with the information we have been given.

Maybe I'd believe she tries her hardest if she wasn't such a gullible moron outside of her test scores.

Bullying is bullying. There are different types of bullying, but they are bullying nonetheless. Just because she does a less severe type of bullying still means that she is bullying.

Or it's just friendly teasing/pranking that Sena and Maria don't realize is actually trying to help make them a better person.

If you seriously think that's bullying then that's just a sign of over-sensitivity.

Apparently, I'm not the only one if you read other people's posts. Is her intention really to help Sena and Maria? Or does she have some sort of self satisfaction in doing so? From what we've seen of her, it seems like she really feels good to put others down.

Nope. If you paid closer attention and weren't so focused on negativity maybe you'd see things differently. This episode actually has one noticeable instance that proves your statement incorrect.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

What happened to calling an idiot an idiot? This isn't her first streak of stupidity.

Like Foresst Gump mom used to say "Stupid is as stupid does", so if trying to be friend of Yozora is stupid, so be it, but from here on anyone trying to be a friend of Yozora will be called stupid, including Kodaka.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by ogon_bat

Like Foresst Gump mom used to say "Stupid is as stupid does", so if trying to be friend of Yozora is stupid, so be it, but from here on anyone trying to be a friend of Yozora will be called stupid, including Kodaka.

Don't try to spin it around; She not stupid for trying to befriend Yozora, she stupid for falling for stupid tricks.

If anybody else in that room fell for those tricks (which nobody did) then they would be an idiot as well.

[potchip]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Wow, that's really stretching it. And who is she hurting again? The guys? Umm... They are willing to do it. The girls? Seriously now... They are jealous of her for how the guys treat her. So now, since people are jealous of you, then you automatically become the person doing harm to them?

Except you don't know the full story - we only get the gist of Sena saying all the girls are bitches because they are jealous of her. Who is not to say Sena's idea of a girl friend is someone who's willing to lick her feet? Oh how about the part where she was alone in the room with Yukimura and she felt bored, and asked for Kodaka (then got Kobato instead?) The thing with Sena and her character type is, she doesn't give a flying fXXX if she doesn't give a flying fxxx about you (eg Yukimura, Rika) - there's no logic behind it, its not like being nice to her would'e caused her to like you. On the other hand, if she likes someone, eg Yozora, she'd crawl back no matter how many times she get stepped on. There.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Well, there is not much to argue on this point. From this episode, we could either interpret that she is naturally talented or that she actually tried to achieve all those things in order to be number one. It is all to perspective with the information we have been given.

The part other girls (Yozora included) hate most is how things just seems to fall into Sena's lap - born rich, doesn't need to work hard to be good at everything, Kodaka etc. Not saying the feeling is noble but it sure is justfied.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Bullying is bullying. There are different types of bullying, but they are bullying nonetheless. Just because she does a less severe type of bullying still means that she is bullying.

What Sena hate is the psychological bullying - the behind the back ganged up thing that she experienced, not Yozora's direct type. Which is why she keeps coming back for more (eg provoke Yozora at every opportunity)

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Apparently, I'm not the only one if you read other people's posts. Is her intention really to help Sena and Maria? Or does she have some sort of self satisfaction in doing so? From what we've seen of her, it seems like she really feels good to put others down.

You might have missed character description first up - Yozora is a sadist and she does derive pleasure from putting down Sena. Though with Maria's case, it's a mixed bag of teasing and responsibility (how she's correcting her table manners). Why does Yozora do it? What she got to gain from doing it? Compared this to Sena, who is only interested in Kobato, Yozora, Kodaka (in this order) and totally apathy to anyone else.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Umm... Yes, she is conceited. We both agree on that. You can hate her for being conceited, but you have to agree that she does not in full conscience try to harm people in doing so.

In some parallel universe manslaughter is not killing people. Yes she may not mean it but she does it all the time. And worse she can't see the harm she's doing to people.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Don't try to spin it around; She not stupid for trying to befriend Yozora, she stupid for falling for stupid tricks.

Do not spin it around, making friends is all about trust, if you do not give it without asking for actual proof you wont be back stabbed people will think you are an insecure fellow. Do not fool yourself thinking Yozora would not attempt to trick anybody else in the room (a bitch is a bitch no matter where she goes) to get her objectives achieved just because she concentrates her effort in someone that tries to be her friend, it is obvious Sena is the biggest obstacle for Yozora in her attempt to keep Kodaka for herself (what will she do once she achieves that I have no idea and neither does Yozora).

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by ogon_bat

Do not spin it around, making friends is all about trust, if you do not give it without asking for actual proof you wont be back stabbed people will think you are an insecure fellow. Do not fool yourself thinking Yozora would not attempt to trick anybody else in the room (a bitch is a bitch no matter where she goes) to get her objectives achieved just because she concentrates her effort in someone that tries to be her friend, it is obvious Sena is the biggest obstacle for Yozora in her attempt to keep Kodaka for herself (what will she do once she achieves that I have no idea and neither does Yozora).

Making friends is all about trust? Friendship isn't something so sacred, there's no friend that you should trust unconditionally. Why do we have to make such an exception for Sena? Even Kobato and Maria's 'friendship' are born from the fires of rivalry.

[articuzwolf]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Making friends is all about trust? Friendship isn't something so sacred, there's no friend that you should trust unconditionally. Why do we have to make such an exception for Sena? Even Kobato and Maria's 'friendship' are born from the fires of rivalry.

I'd laugh if the answer is because Sena's cute or pure

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by articuzwolf

I'd laugh if the answer is because Sena's cute or pure

It's the breasts; it bewitches men... And sometimes women...

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Making friends is all about trust? Friendship isn't something so sacred, there's no friend that you should trust unconditionally.

Not unconditionally, but on the terms of an average high school life setting, it is not like if anything Yozora has done is not ordinary.

Why do we have to make such an exception for Sena? Even Kobato and Maria's 'friendship' are born from the fires of rivalry.

You dont see Maria or Kobato abusing each others trust even once, they openly laugh/pounce at one another without hiding anything.

[Dr. Casey]

Originally Posted by Kodaka

We can consider this practice for whenever we get friends.

*facepalms ten million times*

Anyway, this was a good episode. I might have found the 'astrology is bullshit' theme offensive and irritating if I was a believer of that, but thankfully I'm not. The tsundere maid scene was fun; whenever Rika goes tsundere, she tsuns hardcore. She continues to grow on me this season... this episode added another layer to her, with how perceptive and savvy she was in seeing through Yozora's 'fortune-telling.'

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

I can't really wrap my head around how Sena's mind works. The girl gets top grades all the time and yet she's an incredibly gullible person. You'd think someone that smart would be able to realize when they're being had somewhat easily.

I find it easier to understand because I'm the same way myself. I was considered 'gifted' back in elementary school, and I was indeed a bright kid, but that didn't prevent me from being one of the very easiest to trick. There were times in kindergarten where my best friend pulled a prank on me a dozen times in a row, each instance literally seconds apart, and I'd fall for it every time. I feel your pain, Sena. ;_;

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Or it's just friendly teasing/pranking that Sena and Maria don't realize is actually trying to help make them a better person.

If you seriously think that's bullying then that's just a sign of over-sensitivity.

Well, Occam's Razor says that the simplest explanation is often the correct one... and I would say that in this instance the simplest explanation is that Yozora doesn't like the girl who she constantly proclaims dislike for, who she rarely shows any other sentiment than blind and seething contempt. If she is doing this for Sena's benefit, then that would make her a phenomenally stupid person for thinking that making someone run away crying every other day is good for them; but really, I don't think there's any kind intentions behind most of her mistreatment of Sena. Their relationship is equal enough that I don't think it's anywhere near as damaging as typical cases of bullying, where the victim is made to feel helpless and trapped, but Yozora's behavior is far from commendable. I think she genuinely is just a vindictive, angry thundercunt towards people she doesn't like (though I think this trait is entertaining and makes her an interesting character).

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by ogon_bat

You dont see Maria or Kobato abusing each others trust even once, they openly laugh/pounce at one another without hiding anything.

...You realized that this fortune 'trick', is so in plain sight, so obvious, so apparent that there's nothing to hide either?

Hell they were just discussing SECONDS ago about it- right in front of her!

[potchip]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

...You realized that this fortune 'trick', is so in plain sight, so obvious, so apparent that there's nothing to hide either?

Hell they were just discussing SECONDS ago about it- right in front of her!

To be honest that's Sena's moe point, so we should not discourage that

[Johnny]

It will always be my ship is better than your ship over and over each and every episode no matter what...

Yukimura's F-bomb, Rika's Western porn, and Yukari's freaking pig comments were the best...