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Other clichés include Duo having bratty kids, Wu Fei being a stuck-up, antisocial misogynist and- ahem. You get the idea. It would make sense that Heero would be more relaxed as kid and go sulky after his parents died. Trauma and stuff, you know? But I think you got Heero mixed up with Trowa in this case. I don't know where I read it and I don't know if there's even solid evidence for it (untraceable interviews ftw) but a lot of people have mentioned that Trowa was supposedly more energetic as kid but became withdrawn later. It was tied into the grand rape victim debate, to prove one way or another. Never got a satisfying end In case you aren't though, I beg your pardon. |
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2010-12-05, 18:29 | Link #1102 |
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Agreed with you on Heero's emotional range. Feelings. He has them.
Looking at Duo Jr., isn't the cliché about the bratty nature of any potential fruit from his loins confirmed? Meh...not enough people read EZ. Wufei is so misunderstood. -_- Also, kinda random, but this makes me lol: Wufei is all "I don't care about your yammering. I'm playing with this bendy thing. Heero's an idiot." Last edited by wingzerosnuggles; 2010-12-05 at 18:45. |
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2010-12-05, 18:49 | Link #1104 | ||
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Like wzs said... canon now XD Quote:
The main difference between Heero and Trowa (as I've had a huge discussion with someone before) is that while Heero doesn't need any kind of name to value his sense of self- only his personal experiences that have shaped who he is- Trowa is the opposite; he bases his self upon the value of having a name, rather than his experiences, which is what leads to his ID crises. |
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2010-12-05, 19:20 | Link #1105 | |
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It's too fanfic-y for my taste. Like the perma sugar rush thing. Really, I must be blind because I didn't see anything in the series to point in that direction. Duo being a brat? (or having bratty kids) Sure, his street urchin phase in Ep Zero is one thing. But that's justified. In the series he was always fairly polite, if a little casual. Remember him saving Relena from Heero? Or him 'enlisting' in OZ in space?(when he met Hilde the first time). Notice the tone. He's pretty gallant toward women and has no problem playing along with authorities. Now let's look at Duo Jr. ...umm, yes. I wonder whom he's taking after. Can't be his dad. If anyone's gonna have a brat for a kid it should be Heero. Kid got no manners at all. Duo offered to help him with repairing his Gundam and he not only turned him down but also stole Deathscythe's parts. The first person he actually thanks is Trowa (in Sicily I believe?). Because he's been taking care of his hide for a whole month. Yeah, he can be nice. And how nicely he treated Zechs for returning his Gundam to him. Or how he wanted to thank him for that matter. Or even better, Relena interrupting his duel with Zechs. Heero: "You're in the way! Get lost!" Zechs: "Princess! Please leave at once!" Now, that's a difference if there ever was one. Need I say more? That boy's manners are a catastrophe, something even Duo himself complained about lol. Anyway. That scene is indeed funny. Wu Fei of all people complaining about a guy blindly rushing off after a girl. He has no room to talk xD The second part of that scene is even funnier, when Trowa tells him to at least welcome Relena because it's easy to hurt a girl's feelings. He looked like he was about to eat his bendy thing. And then Duo drops the bomb; 'he can mess up, too you know.' Cue dramatic pause. I swear, I expected bendy to fly out of Wu Fei's hands and into Deli Grill any moment there xD EDIT: What, you never heard of the rape victim theories, Kitsoru? When it was revealed in Ep 0 that Trowa was raised in a mercenary unit, people started shouting 'rape victim!' all over the place, since they had supposedly found the cause to his withdrawn nature. I wouldn't call it fangirl BS, the arguments are pretty good. There were some really heated debates going on back in the day. I myself don't think the mercs ever laid hand on little No-Name but the way Trowa draped himself over him was weird... Kind of bordering molesting. Last edited by IkuzeMinna; 2010-12-05 at 19:48. |
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2010-12-05, 19:38 | Link #1106 |
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Glory of the Defeated Chapter.01 and Chapter.02.
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Duo is a goose but he sure ain't rude and effing hotheaded. His son is his fanfic-y version it pisses me off. Quote:
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2010-12-05, 21:36 | Link #1109 | |
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he was rude, cocky, competitive, ungrateful, everything i hate in a guy. he started off like natsume of gakuen alice. but he changed. then i fell for him <333 hahahaha even relena. she started off as an annoying brat. she was scheming, rebellious and pretentious. she acts nice and polite but deep down she questioned people's sincerety. i saw her as a cynic and an introvert. but in the 2nd half she changed drastically. she matured by a considerable amount. she was like blair waldorf then turned padme amidala. haha prolly bad examples but couldn't think of anything else ya know, i think those two were well-written characters. they were very realistic. seriously. ppl GROW UP. they're not consistent. hate anime characters who have no room for character development really. they're cheap. everyone just buys them. ugghhh.... |
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2010-12-05, 23:49 | Link #1110 |
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@IkuzeMinna I wouldn't be surprised if the theory that Duo Jr. is Heero and Relena's love child proves true should the boy's attitude be any indication. He could have been conceived in the time those two ran amok between freezings. There was also that bit about Duo Jr. going "Hn..." in an earlier chapter, I think? Duo's wife may have been who Duo Jr. recognized as his mother hence Duo's statement about having trouble with him after the mother died. Another case of the foster mom stunt they pulled with Relena and Mrs. Darlian. And since both Heero and Relena have memory problems, they won't remember the kid if this is the case. Man, I want the next chapter of this trainwreck already... xD
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2010-12-06, 00:13 | Link #1112 |
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Wufei didn't complain. Considering he hadn't had much interaction with Relena, he didn't understand why Heero went to save her. And he himself said that he thought Heero was the "sanest" among them which shows he's well aware of his faults.
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You guys can go on and hate him, but I am LOVING brat!Duo :P
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2010-12-06, 00:15 | Link #1114 |
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Hey,
I've been following this thread for a while now, I've just now now gotten off my lazy rump to make an account. I've also been downloading the chapters of Glory of the Defeated along with everything else but I haven't been able to open them on my computer. What is everyone else viewing them with? Baaaa. I am just so fed up with not being able to read them >< Also, the idea the Duo Jr. is actually a Heero/Relena spawn wouldn't bother me, really. But how old where they when they were frozen? I mean, how old would they had to have been when he was born? Thanks for the help! |
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Are there any direct downloads available?
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2010-12-06, 00:24 | Link #1117 | |
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2010-12-06, 00:38 | Link #1118 |
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We didn't say he was. Just that it was a possibility with what is implied. Granted, a really unlikely possibility but that's what speculation is for.
EDIT: @Ammy-Pie I think Heero and Relena were frozen thirty years prior to current events but there's talk of a time where they were briefly defrosted and ran amok thus prompting them to be refrozen. |
2010-12-06, 00:54 | Link #1120 |
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The latest chapter, chapter 4, mentions Relena running amok when they defrosted her the first time around. In an earlier chapter, not sure which, it is mentioned that Princess Aurora (Heero) had his own little rampage when they defrosted him wrong awhile back which is why they're doing the memory download thing.
As for EW: GotD, you just have to unzip the RAR file to view. Download WinRar. It's a program for RAR files. |
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