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Old 2015-01-08, 22:09   Link #35361
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Shooting is a practiced art. I remember getting 19/32 in my first range shoot with an M16, and surprisingly, I get 28/30 with a P226 first time round. I got better after that.

Bad shooters can be corrected with more training. The only problem is where to find time for them to do so, instead of continuously petting over the SWAT and fast response team.
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Old 2015-01-08, 23:02   Link #35362
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People get fixated on gun control when it comes to mass shootings. Why does the US have so many shootings? Here's a novel theory: culture. Switzerland has a lot of guns, yet their homicides per capita is only a 1/10 of the US. Of course one could argue at length that the two countries are in different situations, but the fact remains that if the culture of the country supports it, a lot of guns is not a problem. A lot of guns in the hands of people who lack education and common sense? Yeah, that's a problem.
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Old 2015-01-09, 03:03   Link #35363
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People get fixated on gun control when it comes to mass shootings. Why does the US have so many shootings? Here's a novel theory: culture. Switzerland has a lot of guns, yet their homicides per capita is only a 1/10 of the US. Of course one could argue at length that the two countries are in different situations, but the fact remains that if the culture of the country supports it, a lot of guns is not a problem. A lot of guns in the hands of people who lack education and common sense? Yeah, that's a problem.
About that guns culture.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...rland-and-guns
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Old 2015-01-09, 03:44   Link #35364
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Why does the US have so many shootings?
Because the way we treat poverty and mental illness in the US is deplorable. America has some of the worst structural violence among the industrialized nations.
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Old 2015-01-09, 04:14   Link #35365
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Two people matching the subhumans pigs have taken hostages near Dammartin-en-Goële, the GIGN is preparing an intervention.
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Old 2015-01-09, 05:09   Link #35366
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Because the way we treat poverty and mental illness in the US is deplorable. America has some of the worst structural violence among the industrialized nations.
US develops and moves very fast economically. However in a marathon, there are always slow runners. The marathon must go on, but who will help the slow runners?

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Two people matching the subhumans pigs have taken hostages near Dammartin-en-Goële, the GIGN is preparing an intervention.
The French Muslims could do the international Islam a favour by offering themselves as hostages to swap for those inside. Should help marginalise the extremists internationally and weaken the religious fanatic's influence.
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Old 2015-01-09, 05:11   Link #35367
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Gotta expand on that culture argument, Canada would be the better point of comparison than the US in terms of gun ownership patterns, and even then the percentage of gun crimes on both an absolute and percentage level is lower than the US (of which even someone like Michael Moore pointed out). It always boils down to education and attendant social tendencies moreso than the guns themselves.
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Old 2015-01-09, 07:57   Link #35368
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Another shitbag linked to the other two, who killed a municipal cop yesterday at Montrouge, took at least five people hostages in a kosher grocery near the Porte de Vincennes.
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Old 2015-01-09, 08:13   Link #35369
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Cuba frees eight more political prisoners, dissidents say
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KH1I720150108

Boston named U.S. bid city for 2024 Olympics
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KH2C320150109
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Old 2015-01-09, 09:02   Link #35370
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The French Muslims could do the international Islam a favour by offering themselves as hostages to swap for those inside. Should help marginalise the extremists internationally and weaken the religious fanatic's influence.
Now that's not really fair, is it? What those knuckleheads "muslim"-terrorists did is not the responsibility of the common muslims in French. Not to mention the adult muslims who have families have kids to feed and protect so they certainly wont throw away their lives if they can help it (which is so very understandable). Maybe you can ask those French muslim teenagers to take the risk, but eh, urban teenagers of any religions and beliefs rarely willing to get involved let alone putting themselves in that hostage situation. The most they're willing to do is probably getting closer enough to film the "event" and upload it on Youtube later . Replacing civillian hostages with another civillian hostages is not such a good idea to begin with, and it practically a waste of time and effort if the number of the hostages doesn't get any lesser and the situation doesn't get any better.

The best thing any civillians could do now is hoping for the best from the authorities' efforts and support them the best they can, but not by unnecessarily putting their lives in danger. One non-muslim civillian hostage replaced by muslim civillian hostage won't make things any better, well, except for those who hate islam and muslims and cheering for their demise.
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Old 2015-01-09, 09:55   Link #35371
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Reports from 12/30/14 show a French-Japanese couple missing in ISIL territory

Nine Japanese nationals found among ISIL foreign fighters

--> More info on the nationals the Tokyo Metropolitan Police have, some of them apprehended.
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Old 2015-01-09, 09:59   Link #35372
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Now that's not really fair, is it? What those knuckleheads "muslim"-terrorists did is not the responsibility of the common muslims in French. Not to mention the adult muslims who have families have kids to feed and protect so they certainly wont throw away their lives if they can help it (which is so very understandable). Maybe you can ask those French muslim teenagers to take the risk, but eh, urban teenagers of any religions and beliefs rarely willing to get involved let alone putting themselves in that hostage situation. The most they're willing to do is probably getting closer enough to film the "event" and upload it on Youtube later . Replacing civillian hostages with another civillian hostages is not such a good idea to begin with, and it practically a waste of time and effort if the number of the hostages doesn't get any lesser and the situation doesn't get any better.

The best thing any civillians could do now is hoping for the best from the authorities' efforts and support them the best they can, but not by unnecessarily putting their lives in danger. One non-muslim civillian hostage replaced by muslim civillian hostage won't make things any better, well, except for those who hate islam and muslims and cheering for their demise.
You have to look at things from a psychological warfare POV. Using Muslim hostages will demean Muslim extremism abroad, and galvanise criticism against the minority Islamophobic faction by raising their profile in the public.

A DEAD Muslim hostage will spark an uproar in the Middle East, especially one that willing offers him/herself to save another life. Muslims are known for their deep brotherhood as a religion, there is a need to drive the wedge between moderates and extremists to stop the moderates from being pulled over.

The anti-Islam faction will be dealt with by satire.
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Old 2015-01-09, 10:34   Link #35373
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You have to look at things from a psychological warfare POV. Using Muslim hostages will demean Muslim extremism abroad, and galvanise criticism against the minority Islamophobic faction by raising their profile in the public.

A DEAD Muslim hostage will spark an uproar in the Middle East, especially one that willing offers him/herself to save another life. Muslims are known for their deep brotherhood as a religion, there is a need to drive the wedge between moderates and extremists to stop the moderates from being pulled over .
It do sound good on paper but, given than extremists are already killing fellows Muslims by the thousands for many years, I doubt than a few more will manage to trigger something news and durable.
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Old 2015-01-09, 10:53   Link #35374
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You have to look at things from a psychological warfare POV. Using Muslim hostages will demean Muslim extremism abroad, and galvanise criticism against the minority Islamophobic faction by raising their profile in the public.

A DEAD Muslim hostage will spark an uproar in the Middle East, especially one that willing offers him/herself to save another life. Muslims are known for their deep brotherhood as a religion, there is a need to drive the wedge between moderates and extremists to stop the moderates from being pulled over.

The anti-Islam faction will be dealt with by satire.
Splendid. Now all that's left to do is to look for that average mature muslims in France who is willing give his life just to send a message. Not to mention, even if there's someone who is willing to do like you said, why in the world those "muslim"-terrorrists would want to switch their non-muslim hostage with a "fellow-muslim" hostage that they have less animosity toward? Yeah, not gonna be easy (if not near-impossible).
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Old 2015-01-09, 11:18   Link #35375
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According to the AFP, the two shitbags at Dammartin-en-Goële have been killed by the GIGN during the assault; apparently for now, hostages are safe.

Assault at the Kosher supermarket seems to be ongoing.


Edit: some hostages at the supermarket have been rescued, the assault is apparently over and done.
Edit 2: there was two shitbags at the Vincennes supermarket, one croaked, the second one under arrest.
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Old 2015-01-09, 11:58   Link #35376
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Splendid. Now all that's left to do is to look for that average mature muslims in France who is willing give his life just to send a message. Not to mention, even if there's someone who is willing to do like you said, why in the world those "muslim"-terrorrists would want to switch their non-muslim hostage with a "fellow-muslim" hostage that they have less animosity toward? Yeah, not gonna be easy (if not near-impossible).
That is why we have social media. Volunteers to make a mockery out of the hostage takers. It is no different from mollifying them with sweets and cigarettes.

4 dead hostages in the supermarket btw. RIP.
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Old 2015-01-09, 14:19   Link #35377
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Splendid. Now all that's left to do is to look for that average mature muslims in France who is willing give his life just to send a message.
To be fair, he's not saying French muslims have any obligation to do so. He's just saying that if there were volunteers then it would help.

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Not to mention, even if there's someone who is willing to do like you said, why in the world those "muslim"-terrorrists would want to switch their non-muslim hostage with a "fellow-muslim" hostage that they have less animosity toward? Yeah, not gonna be easy (if not near-impossible).
I think it's more about the message it would send abroad more than anything else. Even if it didn't work, it would still effectively marginalise the extremists.

I'm not supporting this btw. Personally, I don't think the police would appreciate wannabe heroes getting in the way of their jobs anyway.
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Old 2015-01-09, 15:00   Link #35378
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Charlie Hebdo: Anonymous declares 'war' on jihadists in retaliation for Paris massacre with #OpCharlieHebdo

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Hacktivist group Anonymous has come out to avenge the attacks on the office of Paris-based magazine Charlie Hebdo in which 12 people were murdered.

The Belgian 'branch' of Anonymous posted a video message to YouTube describing a new campaign against jihadists, called #OpCharlieHebdo.

The video, which features someone wearing the Guy Fawkes mask and speaking with their voice obscured, explains (in French) that its members have decided to "declare war on you, the terrorists" - referring to Al-Qaeda and ISIS specifically.

"We will track you down - every last one - and will kill you,” the spokesman says. "You allowed yourselves to kill innocent people, we will therefore avenge their deaths."

The figure says that 'hacktivists' from around the world will track all of jihadist activities online and close down their accounts on Twitter, YouTube and Facebook.

"You will not impose your sharia law in our democracies, we will not let your stupidity kill our liberties and our freedom of expression. We have warned you; expect your destruction."

The press release ends in typical Anonymous fashion:

"We will track you everywhere on the planet, nowhere will you be safe. We are Anonymous. We are legion.

"We do not forget. We do not forgive. Be afraid of us, Islamic State and Al Qaeda - you will get our vengeance."

A statement supporting the video has also been released onto the text-sharing website Pastebin, echoing the sentiment, but focuses more squarely on the attack on freedom of speech.

"Freedom of speech and opinion is a non-negotiable thing - to tackle it is to attack democracy.

"Expect a massive frontal reaction from us because the struggle for the defense of those freedoms is the foundation of our movement," says the statement.

Anonymous's pledge of vengeance follows a spate of cyberattacks on the websites of French towns, which had their homepages replaced by the ISIS flag.
How reliable is the Mirror anyway.
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Old 2015-01-09, 15:48   Link #35379
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Y'know. I'm actually interested in seeing how this will turn out. Hopefully the intended targets are the ones inconvenienced.
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Old 2015-01-09, 15:52   Link #35380
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Honestly what is Anonymous good for anyway, beside making Internet speeches on things that they never will do.
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