Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (ver 2 old)

[Traece]

Originally Posted by leechbox

Wait, how do you know that he went off the ranks? So no more zero? or what do you mean?

I don't. It's just a speculation.


Lelouch himself believes that if his identity was ever revealed to the Black Knights, they would cast him away and lose faith in him. Now the Britannians (or at least some of the Britannians) know who he is. There's a possibility that his identity could be publicized.

HOWEVER, that is an extremely unlikely outcome.

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by leechbox

Wait, how do you know that he went off the ranks? So no more zero? or what do you mean?

http://koshimizu.livejournal.com/3953.html#19 there it is if you want to read more.

[geewhiz]

Originally Posted by Traece

HOWEVER, that is an extremely unlikely outcome.

No, that is extremely likely. Remember how Lelouch humiliated Schneizel in Turn 11. Schneizel could return the favor in Turn 18.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Traece

HOWEVER, I do like the thought of Zero being removed from the ranks of the Black Knights when his identity is revealed, and him having to work the sidelines on his own with only C.C., Suzaku, and Kallen (after a hesitant withdrawl from the frontlines) to kill the Emperor and the Britannian royalty, as well as end anything related to the Geass, and get their lives returned to a more peaceful one.
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So in other words it's no longer about creating a new world but stopping his father at all costs.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

There's a lot going on. Based on the accuracy of the korean spoilers and the lack of speculation the white glove belongs to Schneizel (didn't see that possibility tossed around alot compared to say Guilford), I find it unlikely we can guide our speculations based on ambiguous tag lines like "are you with us or against us?" and "summaries" like "a Brittannian envoy visits japan." Often these tidbits become minor facets in their respective episodes.

My line has nothing to do with those speculations. From what we've seen of Anya, she's related to lelouch somehow. When she finds out the Emperor mind-wiped her, she's gone. Gino holds more loyalty to his friends than the Empire. If Anya leaves for a good reason, he's liable to go with her, especially since getting through to Suzaku is going to be next to impossible once that nuke drops. Of course, if Suzaku also defects, it's all the more motivation.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Traece

xD I mention that I get a good feeling Gino would help Kallen escape and a convoy of trucks and trailers go by with the same message painted all over the sides of them. I must've missed the "Gino helps Kallen" discussion or something.

Heh. Well, it's not impossible. Maybe she tricks him into thinking that she's accepting his offer, only to knock him out and steal the Guren... XD.

Originally Posted by Traece

HOWEVER, I do like the thought of Zero being removed from the ranks of the Black Knights when his identity is revealed, and him having to work the sidelines on his own with only C.C., Suzaku, and Kallen (after a hesitant withdrawl from the frontlines)

Hmm, only those? Well, might make enoguh sense, towards the end of the KMF lineup we see the Guren as well as the Lancelot with a blue sky in the background and we see Lelouch in this backgrund as well towards the end, i think... Bah, might or might not mean anything though

Originally Posted by Traece

Witacume Edit: Don't confuse HELP with CHANGE. Just because Gino or Anya helps Lelouch in some fashion, or one of Lelouch's followers, doesn't mean they're betraying Britannia outright. It just means they have their own inner motives.

Hmm, good point. Maybe the events that follow will simply make Gino lose his faith in the Britannian empire and thus he joins the OotBK - and if Anya is de-geassed, maybe so for her too.

[Angrypokstick]

Originally Posted by Witacume

i understand people want anya and gino to jump ship but why would they want to Join Lelouch after the conversation is leaked. Why would anyone in there right mind want to join him? The only people who would want to join him will be the people that understand him. Thus Gino and Anya? please

Well, what if they are in the same boat as Jeremiah. finding out Zero is in fact Lelouch Vi Britannia and they then help him the with a similar reason to Jeremiah's. the fact that helping him as a royalty of Brittannia might not mean betraying brittannia in some people's eyes.
And If indeed Anya's memory is rewritten or some randomness that the director see fit to befell her with that they've been hinting at quite excessively in past episodes. Then there is a whole slew of reasons of why she would want to jump ship if she does.

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Hmm, good point. Maybe the events that follow will simply make Gino lose his faith in the Britannian empire and thus he joins the OotBK - and if Anya is de-geassed, maybe so for her too.

i somewhat disagree with them joining OotBK. That will be like for them to betray britannia's principles as KoRs. More likely and honorable for them to join Lelouch vi Britannia and not Zero because they are obligated to (like Jeremiah) or like you pointed out is because they lost faith in the current Britannia .

[geewhiz]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

So in other words it's no longer about creating a new world but stopping his father at all costs.

Here's a creative way to think about this: in the beginning, Lelouch believed he needed to stop his father at all costs by creating a new world. Now, he believes he needs to create a new world by stopping his father at all costs.

Or maybe it's the reverse, I dunno. But it's a good way to look at his MO.

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Angrypokstick

Well, what if they are in the same boat as Jeremiah. finding out Zero is in fact Lelouch Vi Britannia and they then help him the with a similar reason to Jeremiah's. the fact that helping him as a royalty of Brittannia might not mean betraying brittannia in some people's eyes.
And If indeed Anya's memory is rewritten or some randomness that the director see fit to befell her with that they've been hinting at quite excessively in past episodes. Then there is a whole slew of reasons of why she would want to jump ship.

i agree that there are many questions that need answers. while in the end i kinda see Anya going with Lelouch but he stated episode 20 which is too son i believe the need a whole episode dedicated to Anya alone to explain what is up with her.

[Traece]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

No, that is extremely likely. Remember how Lelouch humiliated Schneizel in Turn 11. Schneizel could return the favor in Turn 18.

Schneizel and Lelouch are brothers. That doesn't mean NOTHING. Obviously there isn't a huge bond there, but Schneizel is an intelligent man. Just as well, Schneizel and Lelouch have always had their little competitions when they were one big happy family, and they were always chess rivals. I think Schneizel enjoys the challenge his brother brings him. Just as well, Schneizel has just had the Geass introduced to him. Previously, he didn't know about it.

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

So in other words it's no longer about creating a new world but stopping his father at all costs.

Pretty much. It's not that unlikely, after all. He hates his father deeply.

Edit: As far as Anya jumping the OotBK ship like Jeremiah. That ENTIRELY depends on whether Jeremiah uses his Geass Canceller with her in the vicinity. If that happens, then she'll join Lelouch as an admirer of Marianne. If not, then maybe even still.

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Traece

Schneizel and Lelouch are brothers. That doesn't mean NOTHING. Obviously there isn't a huge bond there, but Schneizel is an intelligent man. Just as well, Schneizel and Lelouch have always had their little competitions when they were one big happy family, and they were always chess rivals. I think Schneizel enjoys the challenge his brother brings him. Just as well, Schneizel has just had the Geass introduced to him. Previously, he didn't know about it.



Pretty much. It's not that unlikely, after all. He hates his father deeply.

well the first part is a bit wrong. Schneizel has known about Geass for a while. but not to the extent he knows about it now. Schneizel an interesting character i don't know where he stands still.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

So in other words it's no longer about creating a new world but stopping his father at all costs.

Either that or just finding out the truth about his mother. That is the one and only goal he might have for the immediate future...

[morbosfist]

Schneizel knew nothing of Geass until now, the ruins aside. He only drew the connection between the two incidents with Euphy and Suzaku thanks to the recording.

[Angrypokstick]

Originally Posted by Witacume

i agree that there are many questions that need answers. while in the end i kinda see Anya going with Lelouch but he stated episode 20 which is too son i believe the need a whole episode dedicated to Anya alone to explain what is up with her.

i see your point. Perhaps Anya's memory or secret will be revealed in one episode but we won't see her own choice of going over to lelouch until the next episode after or something.

[geewhiz]

It's likely the repercussions of the use of freya will have an effect on Schneizel as well, and might make him more sympathetic towards the show's main characters.

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

My line has nothing to do with those speculations. From what we've seen of Anya, she's related to lelouch somehow. When she finds out the Emperor mind-wiped her, she's gone. Gino holds more loyalty to his friends than the Empire. If Anya leaves for a good reason, he's liable to go with her, especially since getting through to Suzaku is going to be next to impossible once that nuke drops. Of course, if Suzaku also defects, it's all the more motivation.

Gino is worried about Suzaku and if the Nuke is dropped on the Tokyo settlement by Suzaku he may take a more active role in trying to bring back the Suzaku that smiles like in those pictures. And for Anya, it depends on her connection with Lelouch but I agree, chances are good that if she joins Lelouch Gino will follow as well.

[geewhiz]

What I'd be interested in knowing is if knowledge of the truth behind her lost memories will turn Anya into an emotional wreck cuz til now she's been as robotic as Rolo used to be (and still is now to an extent).

[Traece]

Actually to be truly honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the more good-hearted and intelligent members of the royal family suddenly did a heel-spin and shot dagger-glares at Charles.

You may think I'm crazy... But Cornelia sure as hell agrees that Charles is an insane madman.

Edit: Anya isn't not or has she ever been like Rolo. She's just quiet and unattached. At least from what I've gathered.

Characters with mental breakdowns don't plow their giant mechas through school windows while participating in a silly game.

Double-Edit: I know the above line is very... Strange... But just go with it.

[morbosfist]

On that subject, why Lelouch still has her tied up I'll never figure out. He could turn her to his cause with a figurative fingersnap. She may be stubborn, but it would be in her interests.

[Angrypokstick]

Though if it indeed turns out that Gino will join Lelouch as well. Then I do wonder at his deeper motives (if he even has them). It seems childish to assume he would switch over simply because Anya would sitch over.
Could he have an interesting or dark( him suddenly going all serious faced in the OP had me thinking this) past as well ? One that involves Lelouch or queen Marianne perhaps?Something that could be the ultimate reason for him switching side if he indeeddoes.