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View Poll Results: Nisemonogatari - Episode 08 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 166 | 75.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 10.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 4.55% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 1.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 1.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.36% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 1.36% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 0.91% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.45% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 6 | 2.73% | |
Voters: 220. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-02-27, 14:47 | Link #401 | ||||
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-- You refute it by saying they did it LIKE A BOSS -- So what's the argument here that makes yours deeper, lol. That's just making your own assertion and claiming his is wrong. You have 2 different opinions. And so...? Point out that Nise's style is far different from different anime and that these cliches were handled in a different manner. Point out that the situation is being oversimplified. But I'm not gonna debate for you so do it. Quote:
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Pro Tip: Internet psychiatry is not an occupation. Do you just realize you spent half of that asserting you and (a majority-- of this subforum) is right. It's nice that you think that there must be something wrong with people that disagree with you. Perhaps you really need to stop dismissing other people so easily, thinking of that, then maybe the other side will listen more. Why exactly does he have to change his viewpoint and you don't possibly consider you need to change yours? Or perhaps that nobody can agree to disagree. You can both be right. Or both be wrong. I also can't believe you said using a civil tone does not matter. Well, I'll tell you this. It does. Edit: On a lighter note, there's a reason Tomino would diss his own shows. And that was because he's pretty infamous as one of the most bipolar anime directors of all time.
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2012-02-27, 16:12 | Link #402 | |
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Honestly, when you look at it from this perspective, I feel like this adds "depth" to this episode. Araragi still thinks of Hanekawa as the ideal woman. But he also doesn't think of her as love interest material (as he's said many times). There's a story there. There's conflict there. That's a bit of characterization that changes the way all of Araragi's actions up to now could be interpreted. Adding Karen to the list is just a hallucination brought on by the circumstances. Or so he says. I don't see much reason to doubt him though. Presumably Senjougahara would be temporarily added to the list if he brushed her teeth and she reacted like that. |
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2012-02-27, 16:18 | Link #403 |
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I want to know if any other episode thread has had so many 10's before. 75% is staggering.
Oh, I watched it again. Everything turned pink once he put the toothbrush in her mouth. Shaft, you so sneaky.
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2012-02-27, 17:34 | Link #404 | |
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Is it so wrong to express dismay when an episode that they found very mediocre or bad is overwhelmingly praised in front of them? We're all anime fans here, and Monogatari is a top seller in the industry, so naturally we should be interested in what is "hot" in the industry and see if its a direction you like to see it in. It's reasonable to fear that if your tastes are apparently diverging from a good amount of people that the industry could possibly be leaving you behind taste and preference wise. Personally all this episode illustrated to me that perhaps I appreciate different aspects of Monogatari more than a lot of you.
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2012-02-27, 18:00 | Link #405 | |
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The simple fact is, the way this website is set up concentrates people of similar tastes into specific forums. And the longer a franchise has been around the more concentrated the fanbase. The fact that 80+% of people gave this episode a 10/10 is not strange; because you had to have liked the show to even be voting. If you somehow forced everyone in this entire website to all watch this episode, whether they liked Nise or not, and ask them to vote, there would be far less full marks as a ratio. To add to that, this episode was canon written by the author. If you don't WANT what this episode contained, then you are not diverging your taste from the industry; you are diverging your taste from the AUTHOR. What does that mean? That means if you don't like what the author offers, the only way for you to get what you want is to edit, censor, and otherwise butcher the author's work. Because when the author's taste diverges from your own, your only choice is to kill your link to the series entirely. To reject the author is to reject the entire series. And I am not exaggerating. [PM portion removed! You may not share such messages addressed only to you via Private Messaging without actually getting permission from the other user. To do so otherwise is poor in taste!]
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2012-02-27, 18:22 | Link #407 | |
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And again, sure I might not like what the author churns out, but do you understand how trends get set? How things get produced? If something becomes popular people copy that and try to produce more titles with things like that. It's just the way it goes.
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2012-02-27, 18:29 | Link #409 | |
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...Hm. It's fine and all that the debate seems to be continuing but I feel like the present posts might be getting a bit too heated. Triple_R and papermario13689 have both already stated they intend to respect other views of the episode such that I don't think they're attempting to push their views onto anybody. Though there might well still be disagreements worth having a discussion over, it might be reasonable now to do it in a more friendly manner.
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Even with this episode, I don't currently expect Nisemonogatari to break Bake's sales totals. That'd be a problem in my mind, seeing as how I view Kizumonogatari and Bakemonogatari as prequels (for Shinobu and Hitagi, respectively) and Nise as the actual overall start to the story. Aside from this episode, the success of this season depends on I think the reception to episode 4, our major introduction to Shinobu, as well as hopefully a solid introduction in the next episodes to post-"character development" Senjougahara. In any case, I definitely think that any sales gained from this episode serve the greater good of getting the rest of this series adapted. Last edited by Sol Falling; 2012-02-28 at 03:11. |
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2012-02-27, 18:51 | Link #410 | |
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Not many studios do what SHAFT or Nishio does best. And as it has been reiterated many times, Nishio wrote Nise as mostly personal story for his own enjoyment. It was never written for others, therefor never meant to be popular in the first place.
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2012-02-28, 01:08 | Link #411 | ||
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But your rant was not ridiculous in the least, whether I agreed with it or not. You make lots of interesting and even valid points. I'd just suggest that you not give up hope, since I have seen so often that people are scathing about an upcoming season, and then some of the shows they expected to be duds turn out to be good, and some of those they never even considered at all turn out to be great. Quote:
But it is striking that Kamiya Hiroshi (and no-one else) gets a credit in the opening credits. I can't remember ever seeing a seiyuu get a credit anywhere other than in the end credits. So it's clear that Shinbou thinks of him as far and away the star of the show, and may have him speak more than absolutely necessary. Or else that Kamiyan's agency drives a hard bargain, lol.
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2012-02-28, 01:53 | Link #412 | |
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2012-02-28, 02:35 | Link #413 | |
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2012-02-28, 02:52 | Link #414 | |
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Yeah, I definitely agree. Like I said, I hope I didn't offend anyone with my incessant ramblings. I wasn't attempting to coax people into seeing things my way, but I do feel I have the right to mention how I felt about the whole thing.
Anyways, if I ended up bothering anyone I do apologize. I'm fine with everyone's viewpoints, but I feel debate with conflicting points can be beneficial if...like relentlessflame said, both parties can accept the other's claims and take the steps to meet closer in the middle. Ergo, I conclude that I DO see the productive values and direction taken with this episode, but from my standing, I kind of felt uncomfortable with the whole thing. Quote:
Thanks for the assurance, I was going to check out a number of series in the upcoming season anyways, but I do genuinely hope that I find a lot of little gems, because I AM still stuck with some sort of a nagging feeling at this point. It's not even because of this episode, really.
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2012-02-28, 07:23 | Link #417 |
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I'm pretty much about to give up as some people -still- don't appreciate where the dissenter's are coming from, but I'll give this a last chance. Let me give a comparison to illustrate an example. Let's compare Nisemonogatari to another ridiculous over-the-top fanservice shows that's airing right this season - Aquarion EVOL.
Aquarion EVOL has just as ridiculous and over-the-top fanservice if not more than Nisemonogatari. But here's the difference between Nise ep 8 and Nise's "tamer/less eccentric" eps and Aquarion. The people who gave this ep a 10/10 or close to it, it come's down to mainly one thing - the fact that this kind of fan-service has never been done before and was followed by many pages of "HNNNNNG!" and "OMG!" comments. Well Aquarion had "crazy" fan-service scenes like that too. I won't spoil it, but I'll place some buzzwords to which people who are following this series will get immediately: "Berlin Wall", "union", "stripping for powah". But wait, Aquarion has something else of value, and is actually the most prominent feature of the series alongside the mecha fights themselves - shipping. Aquarion EVOL is one massive shipping war fest and out of the 2.1k posts on that thread, at least half of them is shipping talk, with the other half split between trying to guess who is a reincarnated person of what, how flashy the mecha fights themselves and the fanservice itself. Fanservice is not dominating the discussion in a already heavy fanservice series. Nise ep 8? Pretty much the entire episode is dedicated to some toothbrush scene. And guess what, something as ridiculous as that is just a element of a Aquarion EVOL. Plus, what's more interesting? Pages after pages of "HNNNNG!" or debating which girl Amata is going to end up with or which character he is a reincarnation of? You be the judge. This is the precise problem with Nisemonogatari ep 8 compared to some of its former eps. This one toothbrush scene everyone is making a fuss out of simply dominated the whole episode AND the discussion (and not in a good way). It also did not develop plot nor character. I'm getting sick of all the people complaining to the dissenters that Nisemonogatari isn't plot based because they forget to read the second part too (i.e. didn't develop character apart from the small point that Karen wants to meet Kanbaru. And no the fact Karen is horny for her brother is not character development. Horray for more incest ). An episode needs to either move the plot or develop character and this episode did nothing but pander about a certain fetish for an entire episode. At least some of Nise's other eps developed character and Aquarion is just developing this shipping war in an "intentional troll" manner. Also regarding "best ep of the year arguments"? Am I claiming certain Aquarion EVOL eps the "best anime eps of the year" because not only does it similar over-the-top fanservice but other elements as well as mentioned above? Hell no. Seriously, is Nise ep 8 really the "best anime ep of the year" when its only February and a glorified fanservice scene? Is Nise ep 8 really on the same sorta "best ep of the year" material as last year's Madoka ep 3 or 5, Steins Gate penultimate ep, Hanasaku Iroha debut ep or Anohana episode 8? No way in hell it does. |
2012-02-28, 08:13 | Link #420 |
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Okay, the whole toothbrushing thing indeed did not develop any of the characters or even the plot. But it did show how their characters, especially Karen, are developed so far.
Everyone is so butthurt because they expect plot but they're given fanservice. Personally I don't mind this episode at all. It's not like they're pulling a subpar level fanservice. The main attraction point of Nise to me, the dialogue between characters, are still there and they managed to slip in a major troll of a fanservice smoothly. Yes, I find this episode to be very creative. Well, to each his own, I guess.
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