2009-03-15, 15:11 | Link #381 | ||
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If SS thought Isshin was dead and he came to the world of the living, a beard and a new hairstyle may have done the trick...well a name change helps. Last edited by Byakko1011; 2009-03-15 at 15:49. |
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2009-03-15, 15:54 | Link #382 |
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If I know KT he will have come up with something we all didn't think of.
This has been said before, but Isshin said he was Captain level not a captain. AS I remember there are plenty of shinigami in the SS that are captain level but not a captain. So he could have been a second or third seat or part of a special group such as 0 devision, or maybe even kido corps. I still think he was a captain because I would like for him to be.
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2009-03-15, 16:01 | Link #384 | |
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It easy, Shinigami sense rejatsu, everyone does anytime. Every shinigami emits rejatsu ANYTIME (only uraharas cloak could stop this for as long as you wear it). Also rejatsu is unique like DNA, naturally so we can assume that all person that met Isshin of felt his rejatsu at this point, were never together in gotei 13 at the same time. this includes rukia, shinji and all those guys its easy for me: he is ancient, kinda as old as unohana retsu and got into zero division (the royal guard) before shinji even entered gotei 13... which makes it like a couple of decades before "turn back the pendulum" |
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2009-03-15, 16:44 | Link #385 |
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It was white, It looked like a haori, but it was not a haori because like you said it did not have a number on it. I'll say it again, KT will probably pull something out of his ass that we did not think of. My money is on that he was the captain of or in the zero div. but we shouldn't rule out the unexpected. That is all I am trying to say.
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2009-03-16, 02:12 | Link #389 | |
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Holy crap, I can't believe I forgot that fact in my last post. The type of gigai that Urahara put Rukia in was one that was meant to hide reiatsu and gradually take away a shinigami's powers, thus turning them into a human, which was his plan for permanently sealing the Hogyoku (I think that's it's name) away and thus keeping it out of Aizen's grasp. Now that kind of gigai was used on Rukia for a few months and she almost completely lost her powers and it took her a short while for them to return. Now we have no idea whether or not it's effects would wear off after let's say twenty years, because so far we know that only Rukia has used it. Either that or his powers completely disappeared, he switched to a reiatsu hiding gigai because I'm pretty sure Urahara only made one of those types of gigai. Actually, that might work considering that without that same gigai, it would be possible that his powers could return and that would also explain why Rukia didn't sense it after he regained his powers. My theory: During a mission to the world of the living, Isshin meets Masaki Kurosaki, who is able to see him due to her large reiatsu, and they fall in love. Isshin, wanting to settle down and live his life out as a normal human with her, seeks out Urahara and uses a gigai that should drain his powers and turn him into a human. Eventually the effects of the gigai wear off, by either the discontinuiing of its use or through its effect just wearing off, and Isshin begins gaining his powers back. Take from it what you will, but my main focus is on the gigai allowing him to successfully hide in Karakura Town. Also, it can explain why he "lost" his powers. At this point, I don't care whether he came from Squad 0 or Squad 10, this theory is based solely on 1) The use of Urahara's special Gigai 2) Isshin's love of Masaki 3) The loss and concealment of his powers. Last edited by Byakko1011; 2009-06-10 at 01:32. |
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Did anyone else feel like it was a reunion of sorts for Isshin and Urahara? Like they hadn't seen each other for a while? Like since maybe Isshin had his powers sealed? But even if that was the case, it doesn't really prove or disprove anything. Just thought it was interesting. Or maybe I'm just reading it wrong. Quote:
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Because no one knows what the uniform of the Royal Guard looks like except for Kubo Tite, the argument that armor automatically = Royal Guard doesn't work. Him wearing armor isn't really evidence of anything besides the fact that it adds to another way to wear a haori. For all we know, the Royal Guard's uniform could be pink tutus and purple spandex. Well, not really, but you get the point. Last edited by sakuraame; 2009-03-17 at 14:37. |
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anyways. What if his uniform is slowly reforming itself as he is regaining his power? it could possibly explain why his haori is in such a condition.
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2009-03-17, 13:05 | Link #392 |
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A shinigami's uniform doesn't have anything to do with their soul, as proved by Inoue and Ishida in the SS arc when they dressed up as Shinigami-and Ichigo tends to tear his clothes to shreads in most fights, but I really think he just gets Ishida to sew him a new one.
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If captains achieve greater shinigami-ness and just magically sprout a white haori above the black hakama, Ichigo would have one already. |
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i'd say Orihime dressing as a shinigami to be more of a plot hole rather than the other way around. Ichigo's outfit changes when he enters bankai. perhaps they are given a special seal or some such to produce a captain's haori when they are promoted to the rank
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If though I agree with you that Ishida could and probably does mend Ichigo's shinigami uniform from time to time, it doesn't explain how he emerges with what looks like a brand new uniform every time he pops out of his body. Quote:
But I do agree that it is a little plotholey (I think I made up a new word...). I would think that even if a captain entered a gigai without wearing their haori, they would probably still be drawn emerging out of the gigai with their haori. A distinctive uniform is important because it visually shows where the characters' loyalty lies and where they identify themselves, granted they aren't trying to fool everyone like Aizen. But when Aizen's ambitions were made clear, he is shown changing his appearance and his uniform, Tousen and Gin also sprout the new uniform. The fact that Isshin is shown in shinigami garb with a possible captain's haori points to his involvement with Soul Society. Even though there is no info on the appearances of anyone involved with he Royal Dimension, an assumption of mine is that their uniform is entirely different. It would visually show that they belong to and identity with the Royal Dimension and not Soul Society. |
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yes, the uniform can be taken on and off. but i am suggesting the origin of the haori comes from the soul itself. either by some kind of spell that "promotes" them to a captain thus producing the captain outfit.
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2009-03-17, 17:24 | Link #399 |
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1)For one he could be just wearig it that way for fun. Not all the captain's wear it all the time or similarily. Shunsui and Zaraki come to mind. 2) I don't see this "armor" some of the people here are convinced is there. Having ONE piece of wood (or whatever it is) on your arm is in no way indicative of there having to be more pieces or of some armor reforming. Ichigo's shinigami clothes Didn't Ichigo always transform into a shinigami? From episode 1 on he manifests with the black clothes. Also, during the TBTP arc we learn that clothes are somehow part of the souls. Which makes me wonder why Yoruichi starts out as a naked chick when she shapechanges and where she then gets her clothes from all of a sudden. And you'd have to wonder why people seem to change clothes. We at least see Renji walking around in some night clothes in SS Isshin's background Either Tite Kubo has placed some hints, then Isshin has to be something we know about (and we actually don't know zilch about royal guards or dimension except that they exists). Or he just introduces something completely new - but then we wouldn't have a way to know this. Maybe someone had a lucky guess, but it would be just that: lucky. guess. For all we know TK could reveal Isshin is the King of the Pedobear Alliance. And a cloak bound around the arm is the official uniform. The hints were there: he is kinda coming on to his daughters. And look at the Prince of the Pedobears: ichigo has quite the loli army following him around. I rest my case. |
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I'd say the black hakama is the main indicator of shinigami powers. When Rukia gave her powers to Ichigo, her hakama disappeared and she was left wearing the white kimono underneath, which she also wore throughout the SS arc while she had no powers. Whether the captain haori is linked to the soul is questionable, the major obstacle with that theory is that Kenpachi wears the haori of the captain he killed to get the position (which is why it's frayed like Isshin's). Outfit changes that are the result of bankai (like Renji and Ichigo's) definitely are linked to power. If the shinigami is near death, the outfit will revert to the normal uniform. For the other clothing, I'm starting to agree w/ Kafriel that Kubo switches back and forth on whether shinigami uniforms are just normal clothing, or linked with the soul based on convenience. Like sakuraame said, they're used mainly to show affiliation, characters that are supposed to be ambiguous don't wear uniforms at all despite having powers. Quote:
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