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Old 2014-01-30, 11:39   Link #2141
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Aaaaand Beatrice was... guess what? A dead character


Othinus has her very death flags.
I agree, but NT4 feels like it existed to tell us that Touma can cancel these death flags.
I guess this is a battle between Othinus' death flags and Touma's anti-death-flag-ness ^^
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Old 2014-01-30, 11:40   Link #2142
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Because Touma has suffered enough. And as established in the last part of the novel, he won't acknowledge a world that crushes Othinus after what he's gone through with her. It would be most horrible kind of bad end.

Also, my god, this ship sails itself.
I still think that Aleister is still going to do something similar to what he did to Fiamma. Like ranting to Othinus about how she, through her application and removal of multiple phases, has solidified a the unstable part of his plan or something of the sort.
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Old 2014-01-30, 11:40   Link #2143
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But I think that would make him grow, Touma still is mostly a reactive character.
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Old 2014-01-30, 11:44   Link #2144
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I agree, but NT4 feels like it existed to tell us that Touma can cancel these death flags.
I guess this is a battle between Othinus' death flags and Touma's anti-death-flag-ness ^^
Kagun?

Remember this?

Chapter n:Even if There is Death


Death isn't the end.
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Old 2014-01-30, 11:44   Link #2145
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But I think that would make him grow, Touma still is mostly a reactive character.
Would you feel better if Kamijou announced his ambition was to fight hard and work towards a 3-room flat and secure a modest pay as a salary-man?

Otherwise, what would you realistically expect his non-reactive ambition to be for a 'normal high school boy who just happens to have a special power in his right hand' ?
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Old 2014-01-30, 11:55   Link #2146
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Did we just get trolled?
Why do you people believe she'll die though? If a character doesn't die in the volume he/she/it is introduced in this series then they're as good as immortals.
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A meaningful death is what matters, like White beard ftom OP.
That guy was like the most influential man on earth. In this particular case, Othinus is already guaranteed to lose her story breaking powers (much like the 3 ex-God's right seat members in retrospect). Her death would be as meaningful as beating an already dead horse.

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Eh? Wouldn't that prove if Touma can moveon even if he fails?
Nothing new. That was already proven to death this entire volume though. He just freaking accepted he couldn't save billion people but decide to move on anyway because "Screw that! I want a life!".
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Old 2014-01-30, 11:56   Link #2147
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Nope

But it won't hurt if he started to prevent things like this happening. Touma isn't all knowing but he should start his search for knowledge,that is his Achilles Heel and the reason why anyone can use him for their own ends.
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:00   Link #2148
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Nope

But it won't hurt if he started to prevent things like this happening. Touma isn't all knowing but he should start his search for knowledge,that is his Achilles Heel and the reason why anyone can use him for their own ends.
...Hmmm, but the only way I can see that happening is with the resource of a proper organization. Problem with that is two folds- One, he's not leader material, and two, this would just be a repeat of an organization manipulating him.
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:05   Link #2149
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Did we just get trolled?
Why do you people believe she'll die though? If a character doesn't die in the volume he/she/it is introduced in this series then they're as good as immortals.

That guy was like the most influential man on earth. In this particular case, Othinus is already guaranteed to lose her story breaking powers (much like the 3 ex-God's right seat members in retrospect). Her death would be as meaningful as beating an already dead horse.


Nothing new. That was already proven to death this entire volume though. He just freaking accepted he couldn't save billion people but decide to move on anyway because "Screw that! I want a life!".
Because now she lost her hax and that granted her a perfect end, now she doesn't and things from science are scalating and Laura is too quiet to be trusted.

And WB had an incurable desease and a feet on his coffin, and here Othinus was enough influence to make the world powers join together.

Then she dying shouldn't affect him that much. Afterall it's been said to death(literally ) he is just human and not a god on this novel.


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...Hmmm, but the only way I can see that happening is with the resource of a proper organization. Problem with that is two folds- One, he's not leader material, and two, this would just be a repeat of an organization manipulating him.
The Kamijou Faction(hinted again on this vol.) where everyone are equals .
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:05   Link #2150
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Nope

But it won't hurt if he started to prevent things like this happening. Touma isn't all knowing but he should start his search for knowledge,that is his Achilles Heel and the reason why anyone can use him for their own ends.
Like chaos2frozen said, that's not Touma character, he's not some idealistic hero, he have his own goal to fulfill, if Touma actively trying to seek knowledge, chance of being manipulated is much higher since he never was a specialist in the 1st place, he's fine the way he is, like the time with Thor, even if he was tricked, he still save people in the end, that's more Touma than some sudden in depth tactics.
the most conclusive evidence is that we are going to see a dere goddess next vol so she will survive.
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:06   Link #2151
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I think that so far the Redemption axis was mostly centered on accelerator and the "save the actual girlfriend" angle was mostly about Shiage, and that now Touma's been thrown into sorta both their situation at once.

Hmmm, with probably very similar results.
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:17   Link #2152
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Pretty sure it's Touma's, since Othinus stated his world was the one that had what she had been looking for. About Index, have you ever seen her get really pissed with someone that isn't Touma? She's usually pretty calm in the serious moments, so of course he'll be surprised.

@Pablete
Even after the downgrade, Ollerus could still be a decent magician. If he has enough strenght to fight it could be dangerous. Hell, Birdy could help him to send him on Touma.
Ok I re-read that statement "Youíre Othinus, arenít you!? You brought chaos to Tokyo and caused trouble for everyone!! We wonít let you do what you want anymore!!Ē

So is this a world similar to touma (know you said that, but re-reading it again is making me doubt it maybe like 90% his) the Phase/Layer is that Othinus is the enemy again....?

Because I kinda of forgot that index is never get mad a lot, so it making me suspicious

am i right ?
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:21   Link #2153
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Really, is this bait?
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Because now she lost her hax and that grants her a perfect end like she could with it.
Why are you taking back to your own words?
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Who cares a beatiful death? A meaningful death is what matters
You are literally contradicting yourself here.

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And WB had an incurable desease and a feet on his coffin, and here Othinus was enough influence to make the world powers join together.
Spoiler for that's actually OP spoiler so please use spoiler tags:

Othinus had so much influence thanks to her powers and how the other members of GREMLIN got united from their fear of that higher being. Now that she'll lose said power, her influence will eventually crumble with it. You really can't compare her to WB (nor Beatrice).

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Then she dying shouldn't affect him that much. Afterall it's been said to death(literally ) he is just human and not a god on this novel.
Then why kill her if that would barely do anything to him?
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:26   Link #2154
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Ok I re-read that statement "Youíre Othinus, arenít you!? You brought chaos to Tokyo and caused trouble for everyone!! We wonít let you do what you want anymore!!Ē

So is this a world similar to touma (know you said that, but re-reading it again is making me doubt it maybe like 90% his) the Phase/Layer is that Othinus is the enemy again....?

Because I kinda of forgot that index is never get mad a lot, so it making me suspicious

am i right ?
She brought things back to how they were right before the end of NT8 using IB, so everything should be about the same, except she no longer wishes to fight.

Index-san's case is probably there to show how much Othinus alienated everyone involved in this mess.

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Touma isn't trying to redeem himself, he just wants to help Othinus.
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:29   Link #2155
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Really, is this bait?

Why are you taking back to your own words?

You are literally contradicting yourself here.


Spoiler for that's actually OP spoiler so please use spoiler tags:

Othinus had so much influence thanks to her powers and how the other members of GREMLIN got united from their fear of that higher being. Now that she'll lose said power, her influence will eventually crumble with it. You really can't compare her to WB (nor Beatrice).



Then why kill her if that would barely do anything to him?
Check my post again, still editing.

Not all of Gremlin was like that tough.

To prove a point now that there is no Restart button/option
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:32   Link #2156
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Touma isn't trying to redeem himself, he just wants to help Othinus.
I'm not talking about helping Othinus, but to the conversation he had with the Will.
Before deciding to take Othinus' side, he already pretty much accepted possible alienation from everyone on the world. He said it might take decades to rebuilt his relationships but he wouldn't run away from it. This is what I mean by his redemption.
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:32   Link #2157
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Ok I re-read that statement "Youíre Othinus, arenít you!? You brought chaos to Tokyo and caused trouble for everyone!! We wonít let you do what you want anymore!!Ē

So is this a world similar to touma (know you said that, but re-reading it again is making me doubt it maybe like 90% his) the Phase/Layer is that Othinus is the enemy again....?

Because I kinda of forgot that index is never get mad a lot, so it making me suspicious

am i right ?
did you read my post mark?

because its been answered before. its TOUMA's WORLD a 99.99% perfect copy from what Othinus can get in IB.

Index getting angry? indexi always angry. It just wasn't shown much because they are all in the same side.

Seriously try making a observer perspective from 2 opposition. You can notice that either side has animosity with the other.

Right now because Touma had gone through millions of worlds together with Othinus. He can sympathize or understand her. He has taken an observer view from his allies which he noted are angry against their opponent. which is a normal thing.

sure it might hint that something is a miss but that is mostly because of what Touma and Othinus experience.

Its like the same on the world where Othinus change the perspective of the people.

Touma had seen and experience it. That event take him outside of the proverbial box. Where everything seems normal.

If your inside the box then you won't see the changes but since Touma and Othinus went outside the box (which is the world. They have gone through numerous worlds and experience different worlds) they can see which others can't see. That can be considered inconsistency to the world they know.

This is probably what happen to Othinus. She tried to recreate her own world but because she has experience different world. She got lost on her own maze. Even if she can recreate her own world 99.99% of it. It still doesn't feel the same.

Seriously, try visiting the speculation for future volumes thread. There has been an argument for it, there.
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:33   Link #2158
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If Othinus dies, it will be exactly what Touma feared
he'd never get the world he wanted back
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guys theres nothing that strange about Index saying that(at this time), anyone would
dont look so deep into it
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:34   Link #2159
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If Othinus dies, it will be exactly what Touma feared
he'd never get the world he wanted back
which is bad for Touma TouMan needs a hug from a dere goddess

thank goodness this isn't typemoon or else Othinus is dead
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Old 2014-01-30, 12:39   Link #2160
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thank goodness this isn't typemoon or else Othinus is dead
Right, Arc is so deaaaaaad.
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