(L) Shokugeki no Soma [Manga]

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Do you even follow American politics?

Not really. But in my country, 1 extra seat over opposition's seat mean win for the government to govern the whole country for next 5 years.

[Proto]

Of course number is absolute. Do you think Obama can be the president if his voting count was 99 and other his competitor was 100? No, right? Who cares whether you played well, brilliantly, and flawless in the game if you ultimately lose the game?

Only sore loser will try justified his own incompetence.

Democracies and politics are way more complex than that . If the voting count of one was 99 and the other was 100 (and without any other circumstances like third parties or a large number of people who did not vote which would allow for a second round) and the system allowed one to win without any compromise from the winning party (like allowing for members of the losing party to be members of your cabinet) what you have is a failed democracy. (since the people's opinion is so strongly divided. If the candidates have strongly differing opinions the position will be untenable).

[araragi92]

Originally Posted by huynhlan

How is soma score being lower than alice logical? he is train by one, if not the best chief in the whole manga for all we know for several year plus he is the dude's son, so his talent must be immense. Unless alice dad is some kinda god chief, I don't see how it's logical for her to be above soma and hayama especially when she is not a spice expert like hayama.

Right now soma should be above all the first year maybe tie with erina and alice, but he should be above the rest, so that he can take on the second and third year students, so this score is not justifiable.

In the training camp, Alice was much better than souma, even if he made 200 dishes in some minutes. And Erina is the 10th seat of the Elite Ten Council, he is not at her level yet.

Erina: 407 dishes
Alice: 380 dishes
Souma: 200 dishes

Alice is currently above Souma.

[huynhlan]

Originally Posted by araragi92

In the training camp, Alice was much better than souma, even if he made 200 dishes in some minutes. And Erina is the 10th seat of the Elite Ten Council, he is not at her level yet.

Erina: 407 dishes
Alice: 380 dishes
Souma: 200 dishes

Alice is currently above Souma.

Not quite, soma was naive at that point, he didn't think ahead, but it still didn't change the fac that he got like 100 something dishes in only a few minute remaining, and I didn't know number of dishes eaten equal skill? so that mean all the first year who pass and get 200 must be soma's equal then. Good to know.
Alice is not above soma. If soma is not around alice or erina level, then how is he going to beat that what his name, the ninth seat guy I think.

[araragi92]

Originally Posted by huynhlan

Not quite, soma was naive at that point, he didn't think ahead, but it still didn't change the fac that he got like 100 something dishes in only a few minute remaining, and I didn't know number of dishes eaten equal skill? so that mean all the first year who pass and get 200 must be soma's equal then. Good to know.
Alice is not above soma. If soma is not around alice or erina level, then how is he going to beat that what his name, the ninth seat guy I think.

A loss is a loss

And yes make 380 dishes in 2 hours while others made 200 dishes show she has better skills that almost all other students, only Erina beat her. Souma is probably more talented than alice and must prove it in this competition, but until proven otherwise alice's level is better than souma's level. With his talent + hard work and experience, he will be able to beat the best...

[Sarun]

Even though I won't mind if Soma doesn't come 1st

Spoiler for Result:

He does come behind Hayama in Block A

in Block A (I did feel Soma doesn't need to win this Block), it is good to see that many fans want the protagonist to be the top dog out of the well-built hype and swag that he carries.

[Log]

Originally Posted by noobita

Alice is not spice expert and she stomped spice expert. Alice's mad dog is not spice either and he got the same score as Soma. Conclusion? Soma is only same level with Alice's bitch.

That was sad. Soma's dad probably going to say "son, i am disappointed" when he learned about it.

By stomped you mean barely beat, and had some judges even score more then her.

Alice's "bitch" only scored 2 points less then his mistress which means they're close in level.

Souma's dad won't give a shit given his character. He'll hope that Souma learns from his failures instead of being disappointed.

I honestly don't know why you're complaining when his is only the preliminaries. If Souma can already lolstomp everyone it loses any conflict and tension. The fact that he scored 93 already proves that he's well above the rest of the pack and at the same ballpark as Alice and Hayama which means that he can potentially beat them.

Originally Posted by huynhlan

How is soma score being lower than alice logical? he is train by one, if not the best chief in the whole manga for all we know for several year plus he is the dude's son, so his talent must be immense. Unless alice dad is some kinda god chief, I don't see how it's logical for her to be above soma and hayama especially when she is not a spice expert like hayama.

Right now soma should be above all the first year maybe tie with erina and alice, but he should be above the rest, so that he can take on the second and third year students, so this score is not justifiable.

Alice came from one of the premier cooking families. Also Souma's dad didn't really train Souma, it's heavily implied that Souma's dad just gave Souma advice and left Souma to figure everything out himself.

You guys put to much stock on Souma's linage and his status as main character.

Let's look at the facts:

->He tied with Takumi before who scored 90 this time.
->Erina cooked faster then him.
->Seat 8 went easy on him and tied with him.
->He nearly failed the egg test due to his oversight.

So yeah, his 93 could actually be anticipated. He was never hyped to be even with Alice and Erina. At best maybe in their ballpark.

[huynhlan]

Originally Posted by Log

Let's look at the facts:

->He tied with Takumi before who scored 90 this time.
->Erina cooked faster then him.
->Seat 8 went easy on him and tied with him.
->He nearly failed the egg test due to his oversight.

So yeah, his 93 could actually be anticipated. He was never hyped to be even with Alice and Erina. At best maybe in their ballpark.

1.) they didn't really tie, the grad did said one might be better but then she change her mind and declare it a tie, she didn't want to ruin their motivation and rivalry.
2.) cooked faster doesn't equal better tasting food or better skill, if that is the case cup ramen must be one of the best food in the world.
3.)the dude is seventh seat I think and he is a second year, and it seem like even erina respect him somewhat so him being better than soma right now it understandable.
4.)yes he indeed lack oversight but that's it.
Alice have never been hype to be better than soma either, all we get were her own opinion in that she believe she is better than him, but there were no prove to back this up, not even a hint or foreshadow.

[Sarun]

It is not fully conclusive that Alice or Soma is better than either other than what one could interpret.

I feel Soma can and could afford to be not the best student at this moment among the first years especially in a theme which was pointed out that he is not fully knowledgeable of.

[kazzuya13]

I can't believe that Souma is following the traditional Shounen tradition of not being the over all champ from the very start. And I thought for sure that he would follow the "Yakitate" route.

[Log]

Originally Posted by huynhlan

1.) they didn't really tie, the grad did said one might be better but then she change her mind and declare it a tie, she didn't want to ruin their motivation and rivalry.
2.) cooked faster doesn't equal better tasting food or better skill, if that is the case cup ramen must be one of the best food in the world.
3.)the dude is seventh seat I think and he is a second year, and it seem like even erina respect him somewhat so him being better than soma right now it understandable.
4.)yes he indeed lack oversight but that's it.
Alice have never been hype to be better than soma either, all we get were her own opinion in that she believe she is better than him, but there were no prove to back this up, not even a hint or foreshadow.

1. Point is they were a least close enough where a tie was conceivable. Souma himself noted Takumi skill instead of complaining about the tie so at the very least he acknowledges Takumi to be close to him.
2. No it doesn't but it is a indication of skill. Especially in a shonen manga like this the fact that Erica cooked faster was basically the author's way of telling us Erica's better then Souma at the time.
3. The point is Souma still isn't at that level.
4. Lacking oversight is a flaw in it's own. It's basically telling us that Souma is inexperienced.

The fact that she's Erica's rival is plenty of hype for her. She also would've probably gotten to 400 served if she didn't run out of ingredients.

[DevilHighDxD]

Originally Posted by Log

1. Point is they were a least close enough where a tie was conceivable. Souma himself noted Takumi skill instead of complaining about the tie so at the very least he acknowledges Takumi to be close to him.
2. No it doesn't but it is a indication of skill. Especially in a shonen manga like this the fact that Erica cooked faster was basically the author's way of telling us Erica's better then Souma at the time.
3. The point is Souma still isn't at that level.
4. Lacking oversight is a flaw in it's own. It's basically telling us that Souma is inexperienced.

The fact that she's Erica's rival is plenty of hype for her. She also would've probably gotten to 400 served if she didn't run out of ingredients.

If Erina being a faster chef automatically make her superior to Soma than your first point failed as you contradict yourself already plus considering the fact that Erina wasn't even in his block for him to compete against. Inexperienced is a flaw but that doesn't say anything about Soma's culinary skill is below that of Erina, he was able to steal most if not nearly all of Erina's guests by that point. Given the times limit he has and still able to accomplished it if anything it heavily implied Soma's dish is better than Erina's is the reason why he able to finished 200 dish and mind you, Erina is right next to Soma. It has been hyped time and time that Soma's culinary skill is better than her while only it the ability as a professional chef is questionable next to hers AKA the experiences. Current arc's main antagonist is the 9th seat, someone higher than Erina and Soma already beaten him one time.

[huynhlan]

Originally Posted by Log

1. Point is they were a least close enough where a tie was conceivable. Souma himself noted Takumi skill instead of complaining about the tie so at the very least he acknowledges Takumi to be close to him.
2. No it doesn't but it is a indication of skill. Especially in a shonen manga like this the fact that Erica cooked faster was basically the author's way of telling us Erica's better then Souma at the time.
3. The point is Souma still isn't at that level.
4. Lacking oversight is a flaw in it's own. It's basically telling us that Souma is inexperienced.

The fact that she's Erica's rival is plenty of hype for her. She also would've probably gotten to 400 served if she didn't run out of ingredients.

You do bring up a lot of good point but let me ask you something then, if in the final souma beat alice, then would you consider it an a$$pull? cause according to you alice is above souma, so unless souma have some kind of training which require months or something, he won't be able to beat alice but if the next round and final only take place like a few day away, then souma being able to beat her in the final, wouldn't it be a$$pull.

[Sixth]

Sure that Soma lost in the buffet competition but that was because his inexprience towards buffet style, not his food. His culinary skill is extremely good that he even stole Erina's customers, right under her nose. Time limit is the only thing stopped him from racking more plates. Even so, loss is loss but the impact of him losing wasnt that great because Alice doesnt go around him and throw a big middle finger on Soma like everyone did.

However this isnt the same for Hayama. Hayama openly declared that he will make Soma his bitch with his curry, and Soma's response? Soma wants to make Hayama his bitch with his curry too, and now he lost and became Hayama's bitch. All almighty attitude and declaration, Soma failed. The impact of humilation is so big at here. Not to mention Hayama is just a mid boss in this arc.

[Kirihara_R]

lol this is fun

Spoiler for Souma:

The part that I like in this chapter is, it explain why Souma use that dish in this competition . The omelette at the training camp and the risotto when his having a shokugeki against his dad , he deliberately use these dish just because he clearly hate losing , while having a match against Hayama he got another objective and in the end its a success.

I don't know why you guys is still disappointed in just a mere 1 point and that 1 point can still a called a "Bias" because of a rare ingredient, Yes a contest is a contest and a loss is loss but Souma just lose in a "Spice" not in cooking..

edit: is it really just a disappointment because he lost to hayama?.. or is it because he didn't get a 96-100?

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by Kirihara_R

lol this is fun

Spoiler for Souma:

The part that I like in this chapter is, it explain why Souma use that dish in this competition . The omelette at the training camp and the risotto when his having a shokugeki against his dad , he deliberately use these dish just because he clearly hate losing , while having a match against Hayama he got another objective and in the end its a success.

I don't know why you guys is still disappointed in just a mere 1 point and that 1 point can still a called a "Bias" because of a rare ingredient, Yes a contest is a contest and a loss is loss but Souma just lose in a "Spice" not in cooking..

edit: is it really just a disappointment because he lost to hayama?.. or is it because he didn't get a 96-100?

For me? Fcking yes. A major disappointment. I am so disappointed to the point i am thinking to drop this series..thinking..thinking. Seriously..at least give Soma draw with Hayama...geez.

[Aesthetic Shampoo]

Seems to me that people are disappointed just because they are. There was no in-world indication that Souma would roll over everyone at all and now some people are mad the outcome isn't how they imagined it in their heads.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by Aesthetic Shampoo

Seems to me that people are disappointed just because they are. There was no in-world indication that Souma would roll over everyone at all and now some people are mad the outcome isn't how they imagined it in their heads.

So you want to me to cry in joy and be damn grateful because Soma got 93 points? I dont know what your main reason reading this manga but for me the reason why i read this manga in the first place because i enjoying watching Soma stomps other elite chefs in earlier chapters. If i want to read a loser try to climb up the ladder, i would better off reading other cooking mangas.

[Kirihara_R]

Well if that's your opinion , I guess it cant be helped .. but like "We" said Hayama just win when it comes to "spice" ..

[hamazura]

"shut up minor character!" -judge
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