2010-10-10, 09:06
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I liked Kaya's voice better this time around. Iwase's voice I definitely loved, it was more or less the way I imagined it. Although I hope she has the range for when she goes
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2010-10-10, 10:59
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Probably the line: "Men has dreams that a woman wouldn't understand"
though, I say its more of those "A man has things he has to do lines" as far as masculine things to say. though, I don't see it THAT sexist in nature. Some people do like to label everything with racist/sexist cards at every opportunity when its just a line about a coming of age. in reverse, "Women has dreams that a man wouldn't understand" while isn't outright side, themes of that shows up in shojo series as well. as for the episodes so far. it seems to be pretty panel for panel for manga adaptation, which is nice, but I'm watching an anime here, it is't enough for me to just be watching a moving manga page. I hope it does improve later when they get into the whole manga making. The points where each episode cuts off is really well-placed though. It does make me go "damn, I'm kind of interested in the next scene"
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2010-10-10, 12:56
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Not much development in episode 2. Basically it's just about
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I'm not reading the manga, so I'm not sure whether the anime will turn out to be good but both Ep1 and 2 still do not impress me so far. And I still find it odd that Azuki accepted Moritaka's proposal but didn't make any interaction with him in school, not even eye contact. Hopefully things will get more interesting after they begin their mangaka's career.
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2010-10-10, 13:02
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Sidenote: I hope Rikiya Koyama voices Hattori. I didn't think about voice actors for this series while I was reading, but when Hattori was introduced, the voice just popped in my head. Last edited by Xagzan; 2010-10-10 at 15:07. |
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2010-10-10, 14:34
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I really worry that the underwhelming animation, deliberate pacing and stubbornly realistic tone will lose this series viewers. So far I think it's wonderful - animation quality aside. While the father's comment was inherently sexist in nature, I think it sort of fits this series. For all the shows that have teenaged males as the central character, this is one of the few that really seems to get what it's like to be one. Basically it's a series about having a dream and following it that doesn't gloss over just how brutal and unrewarding that kind of dedication can sometimes be. It's also about friendship, familial love and the manga industry - and while all those things are welcome in my book, I can't exactly seem them as huge audience draws.
As well, I think what comes across is how authentic this experience is to the mangaka himself. He's felt these emotions and understands exactly what Moritaka is feeling. This is something of a tortoise vs. hare show I think - there's no flash here. Slow pacing, no fantastical elements, no fanservice - just life. If anyone sticks with it - and I hope enough people like the manga that a large number of viewers will - is going to be rewarded.
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2010-10-10, 21:09
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Well, I don't think that's really the larger point - but I do disagree. It was clearly a sexist comment in the literal definition of the word - espousing gender stereotypes. That said, I don't think it was sexist in a bad way - it wasn't meant maliciously. It was simply stating what the father viewed as a fact and which, frankly, has more than a grain of truth in it. That men and women are different doesn't mean one is inherently better or worse than the other. And Bakuman is a series that I really see as very much of an about a male perspective, specifically an adolescent one - the idealized view of romance, the exuberance of latching onto something and throwing yourself into it, the raw emotional extremes that are a part of everyday existence.
What worries me is that this seems to me to be a story that's told very much from a male viewpoint, but that some male viewers typically get turned off by slower-paced shows without a lot of action or fanservice (is that sexist?). Maybe this will be a weird amalgam like OoFuri that has elements that appeal to both genders, or maybe it will never really find an audience and sort of languish in obscurity.
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2010-10-10, 22:35
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But I don't see it as sexist at all, because I don't see it as a stereotype. Men and women look at the world differently. That's a fact. It's not sexist to highlight or point out a gender difference, especially when there's no ill intent behind doing so. I don't think I'm disagreeing with much of what you said. The only thing I find wrong is the label of "sexist." |
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2010-10-10, 22:51
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It's definitely sexist. While it's not sexist to note that there are differences between men and women, it certainly is sexist to imply that a woman couldn't possibly understand what it means to have a career ambition. This is textbook sexism. While it could certainly be more sexist if it wanted to be, that doesn't make the sexism magically go away.
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2010-10-11, 02:28
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As a female, I admit I was a little unhappy on hearing that line, but I don't see it as something sexist. It rather shows egoism of men. You know, men tend to use such lines to brush off blathering women who in fact are worrying them, and do whatever they want/like to.
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2010-10-11, 02:59
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You hear that line in mecha and sports stories too. I think it simply states men are brash and bull-headed about certain things, which I don't believe to be a compliment. Rather, I think the mother having a symbolic position in the family hierarchy rather than possessing final say power is entirely more sexist, though this would vary from family to family.
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