2014-04-14, 23:20 | Link #2081 |
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no, he doesnt, question: does beetle have a different ability than kakine? i think he doesnt, that means that kakine could also go into the form of a snake and be as smart as ever..... as for making his brain faster: its true, he cant simply command his dark matter to create a brain with higher calculation abilitys..... in the end it comes to what tsunade said: they need time, knowledge and experience..... for kakine using magic: everything which was touched by his dark matter in NT8 turned automatically into "his body", this happened right after he was revived again, so the problem isnt about how he can fix the rejection but IF he can even produce mana with a dark matter body, technically, kakine is something beyond dead or alive, he wasnt in utopia world too (maybe the 1% means him).... |
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Even if he does have life force, however, he'd still be destroyed. He'd better hope that magic does not become his body, because otherwise he's f*****. I'm very skeptical about the 1% thing. If Othinus had failed to restore the world to Touma's then the consequences wouldn't be a cute 1%. Failing to cut off Thor's (actually Ollerus') arm resulted in her arm also getting cut off. Failing to restore the world should, at the very least, result in major cataclysms.
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you need to think about the whole reality, including humans, worlds, past, future, present, animals, plant, believs, laws of the world etc. etc. even a great incident is to small, 1% of the whole mankind are still 70.000.000 humans who are gone.... 1% change: Hitler won the second world war and the whole world would be affected, maybe this will show itself in later volumes, what we saw from the "new" (the world after othinus restored it with IB) world is: -that othinus was still the enemy of the world, -that magic works like always -the people has their memories back -esper abilitys are still like always -that Index is still the magical library maybe MAYBE the 1% change "summoned" the end of the world XD Spoiler for kakine is faster:
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2014-04-15, 13:44 | Link #2085 | |
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this is also the only statisfying possibility in which i can think of touma and the others are working together (since they need IB) |
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2014-04-15, 21:47 | Link #2086 |
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I am re-reading the Volumes as of right now and I came across this;
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So did Kamichi scrap this or am I missing something. Because it seemed to me in later Volumes it's not really an issue at least so far.
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About half a day or so. I had to look at your arguments, find evidence to the contrary, make a post that contradicted all of your claims without presenting evidence, then wait for you to reiterate your points. It was somewhat troublesome, but it was worth it just this once.
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As we saw from previous examples, failure does not simply mean an imperfect success. Failure always brings about effects that are diametrically opposed to Othinus' intent (ie. she tries to hurt an enemy but gets hurt instead). Right now, her intention was to bring back the world that Touma came from and was happy with. If she had really failed, then something like all of Touma's friends dieing and nobody remembering him would have occurred. Instead, Touma's friends seem to be there and they remember him. Everything we saw up to now matches with the pre-NT9 world we all know and love. Up until the point Touma decided to suddenly protect public enemy number 1, his friends were on his side. I believe this counts as a resounding success. Really, all this 1% thing came from one misinterpreted sentence blown way out of proportion: Quote:
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kakine was what?? 30 hours active as dark matter being?? and he managed to create different forms of beings and supply them with his power.... beetle <<<<<< kakine, and im waiting for the day where kakine will take beetle over.... with such a fast growing rate i think that if he tries it for maybe a few weeks he will be able to do whatever he wants..... Quote:
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2014-04-16, 10:13 | Link #2093 |
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wasnt this wings simply another spell??? it was more than normal human-level, maybe angel-class level which makes it to a country-destroying-large-scale-stuff but not reality-warping-and-this-million-times-over-sh*t....
she will be used by laura in the england arc (im sure)....but this will be it for her grant "being boss"-showdown... |
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Angel-class maybe, but no, that would put Accelerator on angel-class as wel and we know the goal for both sides is to go beyond god-class, if we take Accelerator as a sample on how Aleister is doing it right then the same could be happening in the other side of the world with the magic side. |
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2014-04-16, 11:31 | Link #2095 | |
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even the goal of fiamma was (power-wise) to sit on gods right seat.... the majin is the highest point of magicians because it encompasess every possiblity, including every ability Index have shown or possess... the science side want to create a human which is superior toh human and therefore is close to god, so close that he can understand what the meaning of life/the universe/everything is, thy dont do this because of power (even if it generates ridiculous abilitys), they do this for knowledge.... aleisters goal seems to be that he wants to overcome god and reach a level like aiwass where he can simply observe... |
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Why is there a term such as The One Above God? Because they just want to get closer to god? I'm taking her as an example of being different to the paths taken by Fiamma and Othinus who just happen to fail and Aiwass as example, which had wings first and then got the halo, Accelerator had the wings and then the halo. Then Index got wings. See the pattern? Quote:
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Othinus became a full magic god but being a magic god wasn't the same as being the Almighty described on Vol.4. Quote:
Btw, in this series knowledge grants you powers, Fiamma got's access to Index's mind and he was able to curbstomp everyone on his way, later got archangels and heaven's knowledge and overwhelmed Touma with it. From the legends Mimir's wells grants you knowledge and wisdom. Guess what Othinus did to get power? Quote:
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Kakine also had wings in his awakened mode but never gained a halo and he is "closer" to acc/aiw because he uses the "new" system with the PR's.... reaching a state like aiwass isnt easy or that of accel since you need to be born with the potential.... as long as Index stays a human she will not be able to reach this state and never overcome othinus or fiamma (who merely reached the state of THE God)..... Quote:
Lpsdap fiamma was powerful but he used the wrong system which aleister already said....(my speculation: i think he meant: magic) |
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Accelerator went trough a process: Realization--->Black Wings--->New found resolve---> black wings turn white---> gets the halo. Quote:
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i have a question: does Index gained a realization of something so that the wings could show up?? and furthermore it seems as if the red wings are made out of kana or telesma which isnt the material accel/kakine used, even Level 5.5 mikoto used dark matter.... i doubt that we can compare them, which brings me back to pendex < majin and since it seems as if the new opponent is stronger than the old one i doubt that we will have her as endboss, she will mostlikely end as a weapon for stuart but than will be saved again.... EDIT: Quote:
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2014-04-16, 15:08 | Link #2100 |
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1. I told you already to stop being entittled to the JP mode. Magic has Thelesma and Science has AIM. Different origins yet similar nature.
There is no proof that confirms your speculation about Mikoto and the dark matter. Also having to fight an enemy once doesn't means it's the last time, look at Accelerator who got stronger for his second match. About your question, the only clue we have is both Fiamma and Index had their knowledge flowing to each other minds thus Index got what Fiamma knew aka archangels+heaven knowledge. 2. God damn, you really are trying hard to not acept it, aren't you? Right now, quote the sentence where Index says the wings are a spell. Because, you know, every time she casts them she starts with the SPELL NAME or ends with the time for their activation. Last edited by Miraluka; 2014-04-16 at 15:32. |
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