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Old 2012-05-26, 05:20   Link #121
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Looking at her clothes from the manga, I have to agree. Perhaps head of the school?
I'm more inclined to say she's the head of student coucil if we go by Seishou Academy standards.

Springfield, Garland, FG42 and Thompson are all retired firearms. Since Ak47 is still in production and usage, the AVS-36 and Mosin Nagant would be more appropiate for the role of a mentor.

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Old 2012-05-26, 06:03   Link #122
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Among Seishun teachers, there is SIG SK46 was a failure/forgotten gun in 1946, so I don't think AK-47 will still be student.
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Old 2012-05-26, 06:10   Link #123
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Among Seishun teachers, there is SIG SK46 was a failure/forgotten gun in 1946, so I don't think AK-47 will still be student.
That's the point. All the senior mentor figures in the manga are weapons that are no longer in production or used by the military. Age is a non-factor here.

The AK47 is still in production and in use worldwide which is the common factor for all the other firearms portrayed as students.
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Old 2012-05-26, 06:27   Link #124
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How about AR-18 which is no longer producted but still as student? And L85A1 is no longer used, the British army use L85A2 now, FN CAL is no longer product also and aren't use by any countries due high price and worse than FNC but still as middle schooler.
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Old 2012-05-26, 07:44   Link #125
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How about AR-18 which is no longer producted but still as student?
Variants of it is still in production and in service.

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And L85A1 is no longer used, the British army use L85A2 now,
The A2 is an upgraded variant of the original model.

The manga seems to just focus on the core model and ignored the various different small variants of the firearms that appeared throughout the years. Otherwise we will see tjhe different versions of the M16s. A notable none-appearance here is the M4.

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FN CAL is no longer product also and aren't use by any countries due high price and worse than FNC but still as middle schooler.
This is a tricky one. But do note that it's portryal is absent in the main narrative and we can only see it in the side chapters which might or might not be canon.
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Old 2012-05-26, 09:48   Link #126
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The AK47 is still in production and in use worldwide which is the common factor for all the other firearms portrayed as students.
AK-47 is a bit borderline. The Soviet Union didn't use it as their standard rifle since the 1950's.

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The manga seems to just focus on the core model and ignored the various different small variants of the firearms that appeared throughout the years. Otherwise we will see tjhe different versions of the M16s. A notable none-appearance here is the M4.
If we consider the test results shown in the anime as canon, it seems there are different variants attending the school as students. I mentioned this in a prior post.
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Old 2012-05-26, 10:19   Link #127
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Variants of it is still in production and in service.

The A2 is an upgraded variant of the original model.
Variant is different, that why SG550 is pissed because her variants are famous than her. And if I don't remember wrong, there were 2 variants of K1 are stay in Seishun at same time.

And, which variant of AR-18 is still producted and in service?



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The manga seems to just focus on the core model and ignored the various different small variants of the firearms that appeared throughout the years. Otherwise we will see tjhe different versions of the M16s. A notable none-appearance here is the M4.



This is a tricky one. But do note that it's portryal is absent in the main narrative and we can only see it in the side chapters which might or might not be canon.
Remember SG550 said about her other variants? They are exist and piss her. M4 is not appear yet, is not mean because it is a variant of M16. Also MP5 variants we know exist in main chapter is MP5A2 and MP5K.

K11 and K2 are variant of K1 appear at same time in score board
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CAL is canon since that is author side chapter, not fan-made.

Also, about HK family
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Old 2012-05-26, 10:24   Link #128
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K11 and K2 are variant of K1 appear at same time in score board
Uhm.... the K1, K2, and K11 are all different guns.
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Old 2012-05-26, 10:35   Link #129
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And, which variant of AR-18 is still producted and in service?
AR-180

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Remember SG550 said about her other variants? They are exist and piss her. M4 is not appear yet, is not mean becaus it is a variant of M16. As same as MP5A2 and MP5K.
And so where is AR-15 and M-16A1-3 ? Remember that the guns can exist in both humanoid and firearms mode, it may just meant that people choose to use the vaiant in firearms mode more, not that the humanoid is more popular.

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K11 and K2 are variant of K1 appear at same time in score board
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Anime is anime, manga is manga as evident by the choice of character design.

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CAL is canon since that is author side chapter, not fan-made.
It may or may not be. But the continuous absence in the main narrative is not helping.
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Old 2012-05-26, 10:45   Link #130
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AR-180
Which country still product and use them?

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And so where is AR-15 and M-16A1-3 ? Remember that the guns can exist in both humanoid and firearms mode, it may just meant that people choose to use the vaiant in firearms mode more, not that the humanoid is more popular.
So why L85 is not up to A2 but still stay at A1? A variant can't automatic become another variant. And ask author where is AR-15, M16A1~3.

But MP5 variants exist as same time.

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Both of anime and manga are advice by original author.

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It may or may not be. But the continuous absence in the main narrative is not helping.
Just because author don't want to build story for her, only mention in main chapters and arrive in side chapters, but the fact CAL is really exist as student because she is SG550's partner, but couldn't join the mock battles, no way a "teacher" can be a student's partner.
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Old 2012-05-26, 11:09   Link #131
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Which country still product and use them?
ArmaLite is still currently pursuing the development of the AR-18 under the AR-180B branding and the AR-180 is currently use by various law enforcement agency and paramilitary groups globally.

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So why L85 is not up to A2 but still stay at A1? A variant can't automatic become another variant. And ask author where is AR-15, M16A1~3.
The backstory of 16 explains that she was adopted early in her life which implys that she is AR-15, only by a different name and throughout the years, she takes on various alias such as M16A1, M16A2 and so on.....

The only reasons I could think of of why the L is still known as L85A1 is because the manga debut some months before the L85A2 does. And since the L85A1 is still portrayed as being somewhat useless, she is still the olde model. Character development is in need to update her to the A2.

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Parallel Universe then.
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Old 2012-05-26, 11:32   Link #132
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ArmaLite is still currently pursuing the development of the AR-18 under the AR-180B branding and the AR-180 is currently use by various law enforcement agency and paramilitary groups globally.
Who? give me the name


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The backstory of 16 explains that she was adopted early in her life which implys that she is AR-15, only by a different name and throughout the years, she takes on various alias such as M16A1, M16A2 and so on.....
That backstory can be consider a plot hole, because it is developed before the part of MP5 variants and Uzi variants v.v...
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The only reasons I could think of of why the L is still known as L85A1 is because the manga debut some months before the L85A2 does. And since the L85A1 is still portrayed as being somewhat useless, she is still the olde model. Character development is in need to update her to the A2.
L85A2 is appear in 2000~2002 and is used in Afganistan war and Iraq war while Upotte begin at 2009.

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Old 2012-05-26, 11:43   Link #133
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Just want to say that I love the Uzi/MP5 rivalry it's just too cute, altho Empy-chan totally owns that one

Oh and what follows on after that is great, can only hope it makes it's way into the anime
Need more adult service in this.
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Old 2012-05-26, 11:44   Link #134
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Who? give me the name
You will not find much because those are terrorist groups, but here's one. IRA.

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That backstory can be consider a plot hole, because it is developed before the part of MP5 variants and Uzi variants v.v...
So what now ? 16's backstory wasn't canon ? While a side-chapter is ? And 16 can't be the AR15, M16A1-A3 altogether ?

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L85A2 is appear in 2000~2002 and is used in Afganistan war and Iraq war while Upotte begin at 2009.
My mistake. I was thinking more of the L98 variant.
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Old 2012-05-26, 11:56   Link #135
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You will not find much because those are terrorist groups, but here's one. IRA.
Because they can't buy other modern guns, but only can buy failure-market guns which are used by other military forces will make them cheap. IRA is still use DShK heavy machine gun from WW2.


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So what now ? 16's backstory wasn't canon ? While a side-chapter is ? And 16 can't be the AR15, M16A1-A3 altogether ?
Yep, 16's backstory become plot hole due development of HK family like MP5's variants (MP5SD, MP5K), HK33's variants (HK53), Uzi's variants and AK family.
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Old 2012-05-26, 12:27   Link #136
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You know people, M16A4 didn't really have to have been the earlier versions to have known the experience. She's the essence (or whatever you call it) of the M16A4, so all prior experiences are in her. Most likely the earlier version just have the experience up to their point in them (aside from the current stuff).
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Old 2012-05-26, 19:58   Link #137
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You know people, M16A4 didn't really have to have been the earlier versions to have known the experience. She's the essence (or whatever you call it) of the M16A4, so all prior experiences are in her. Most likely the earlier version just have the experience up to their point in them (aside from the current stuff).
Exactly M16 is still M16 just upgraded over the years.

As for the score board I'd ignore it since in the manga they never showed the names on it in detail (they were just scribbles on the page) the name on the board in the anime where added.
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I'm still a bit on the fence about the Howa's. Well, technically on the graph it makes sense, but I doubt they're in Seishun.
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