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2010-07-13, 12:04 | Link #2202 | |||
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He did actually. Goku pushed Cell quite a bit. If Cell still had this huge hidden power left you'd think he would've used it against the guy who blew the upper half of his body off.
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And either way it doesn't really matter because a sensu bean doesn't make people grow more incalculably powerful, it just heals their wounds and fatigue. Goku knew how powerful Gohan truly was and knew he could take and beat everything full health Cell had thrown at him. Quote:
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Why you're making an argument out of this, I'm not sure. I'm not saying you have to dislike that aspect of Vegeta, I'm just saying I do. Goku has this desire and curiosity to see and fight stronger opponents too, but he's nowhere near as overconfident and reckless. |
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2010-07-13, 14:05 | Link #2203 | ||
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And once again, Goku was completely ignorant as to how powerful Cell could really become. He merely gambled on Gohan being the earth's best hope, since he knew that Gohan had the most potential out of everyone. It was still an overly bold move on his part. Freeza hadn't pulled out all of his cards, which meant that Goku didn't know what Freeza was fully capable of.
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2010-07-13, 16:24 | Link #2204 |
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I dunno why you guys are being so contentious...I mean, it sorta sounds like you're arguing the same point at the bottom of it. Saiyans are a brawly bunch who like the challenge of a good fight. It's in their blood. Goku just tends to be less of a dick about it.
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2010-07-13, 18:12 | Link #2206 |
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Oh yeah, I'm just having fun with this, too
I don't think he's as cold-blooded, but he is still pretty reckless. I'm not letting him off the hook for Majin Buu either. If he wanted, he could've gone SSJ3 and put Vegeta out of commission, but it seems like he just preferred a good fight. |
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I could even argue that the whole thing was junk(DB, DBZ, DBGT, DB++++) , but very funny n entertaining junk nonetheless
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2010-07-14, 14:51 | Link #2208 | |
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2010-07-14, 19:09 | Link #2209 |
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Within the minority? How so? were people polled about this n I didn't notice?... I mean, if you guys didn't mention that there were more than 2 people involved in the DB saga (as far as writing I guess) I wouldn't have noticed any difference.. I mean there is nothing shocking enough to make me think... dam you non-Toriyama-guys! you just screw up the ever-growing well-written AHHHHHHHHH for all of us!
From where to where does the canon run? or where does the non-Toriyama work start? I know GT was a bit over the top but given the natural progression of DB it didn't shock me as odd .. I mean, there was one strong guy, Goku defeated it.. and then came an even stronger guy n Goku defeated him... and so on until things grow outrageously out of proportion (or GT sized lol)
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2010-07-14, 19:59 | Link #2210 | |
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But hey, I even believe there were some good moments in the GT storyline (mainly the Baby saga, I thought that one was interesting) and I yet I still think it shouldn't ever be touched again on account of the show being average at best overall.
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2010-07-14, 21:57 | Link #2211 | |
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2010-07-15, 05:55 | Link #2212 | |||
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And yes he might not have known Cell's exact full potential, but considering the trouble he gave him without any huge power up from Cell I'd say it was a fairly safe bet. Why would Cell have eaten that sensu bean anyway if he hadn't been considerably drained by fighting Goku? That's a sign right there that Goku pushed him far enough to afford to make certain assumptions and take certain calculated risks. Which paid off in the end. Quote:
And yes I'm aware Saiyans do get stronger after recovering from battle from sensu beans, but we were talking about Cell here and he is not one hence why I said it in that manner. Quote:
Like I've said before, Future Trunks is actually my favorite fighter in the series, cause inexperienced though he might be, he doesn't screw around or take victory for granted and does all he can to bring the fight to a finish as soon as possible. It's great to see a Saiyan like that who isn't blinded by overconfidence and/or thirst for battle. Well I think he avoided doing that in order not to completely shatter Vegeta's pride. And he convinced Vegeta in the end anyways. But as we know the man had other plans. |
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Well, Cell does have saiyan cells inside him. That might allow him to receive power boosts after recovering from heavy damage.
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And yes you've already said a million times Cell wasn't fighting at full power against Goku and I've already replied to that, so let's not start repeating ourselves and prolong an already pointless argument because of your desire for "winning" and proving me "wrong" again. |
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2010-07-15, 22:25 | Link #2216 | |
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So while it may be a widely agreed sentiment amongst the people who already know Toriyama didn't have any part in GT.... it would be pretty safe to say that most people who don't know this fact didn't even notice the transition because nothing outrageous happens to make people think otherwise. Now ... I don't know what you mean by "capturing the martial arts/superhero charm" ... this is the first time Ive read such quote referring to DB in general. I mean if this was an anime such as Death note or GITS where there is a lot of character development and complex twists I would agree that subtle changes are noticeable but saying something like that about DB is reading wayy too much into it, imo off course.... My POV is that all of DB (DB, Z, GT ++) is equally amusing and If I was to consider a certain part "Trash" I would have to consider the whole thing trash... which it isn't! I mean I didn't watch DB to learn something and neither was I drawn to it by the amazing story-telling... I watched it just to be entertained by the impossible fights which progressively got harder and harder and harder, including space travel which I should point out, given the nature of DB it is not an outrageous thing cause after all there were Sayins traveling through space in Z and Piccolo was from another planet to boot ...so having the balls scattered around the universe doesn't strike me as odd.
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2010-07-16, 08:59 | Link #2218 | |
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...and it was crap. There I was, a 15 year old kid, looking at the tv and dropping the freaking show on the 3rd episode. I latter went and watched the whole thing but I still think it was a bad show. Like I said it had some moments but that's about it. It just wasn't the same as the rest of Dragonball. And it wasn't just me, everyone I knew back then thought the same thing and virtually everyone I know by now still does. I'm even the oddball who defends GT has some good moments but even I don't think it's good, just average. In fact the only other moment in Dragonball that I managed to stop watching because the story wasn't working for me was during the Garlic Jr. arc and guess who also didn't wrote that one?
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2010-07-16, 10:49 | Link #2219 |
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^Exactly, and I was even younger... probably 12-13 when the GT dub came out in America. I didn't have any preconceived notions about the subject (at the time, I thought Pokemon and Dragonball Z were made by the same company LOL because I didn't even know what anime was). Despite all my naivete, I still picked up that this wasn't like the past two Dragonballs at all. The story was just... stupid at most parts and the characters were misrepresented. And Garlic Jr. is a good comparison because that is also the only part of DBZ I really didn't like.
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Now, since you like stating facts so much, here's a few I got taken directly from the Dragonball manga: Goku: "I give up. I know how strong you are now. I surrender." And then when Cell asks him who it is Goku wants him to fight next: Goku: "The next match will probably decide the outcome of the Cell Game. If the next guy can't beat you, then probably no one can. However, after fighting you, I'm pretty sure that he can beat you. That's why I'm leaving everything to him and giving up." Yeah, those were stated directly by the main character. Those are facts. And yes, Cell did power up before he and SSJ2 Gohan started fighting, but Goku didn't even comment on it or took back what he said and kept his full confidence in Gohan's ability to win. Which he did end up doing. Which is why comparing Goku giving Cell a sensu bean to Vegeta allowing him to absorb #18 is ludicrous. Which *gasp* was the actual point I was trying to make and the reason for this entire argument. But of course you've forgotten that by now with all of your endless nitpicking. (And people give ME negative reputation for "needlessly arguing with other people over such small things", ha) Quote:
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