Nanoha FanFiction Discussion

[Nanya01]

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Spoiler for Blood That Flows - Red 29:

Meanwhile...

"Hiyah!" Nanoha let out a yell as she and Miyuki did some light sparring in the dojo. Light being subjective most of the time, considering that they were just using normal wooden training swords, it was light for them.

The tears in the walls, ceiling and floor didn't mean much for them as Miyuki parried a thrusting attack by Nanoha before slapping her wrists with the short wooden sword in her left hand. "Nice try, Nanoha." Miyuki panted and rubbed the sweat off of her forehead. "I think that's enough for today."

Nanoha nodded and grimaced at the way her sweat-soaked shirt clung to her body. "Bleah, I could use a bath."

"Hang on." Miyuki smiled as she grabbed a towel. "I'll join you."

Nanoha smiled as the two left the dojo together.

(---)

"Ahhh!" Nanoha sighed as she slipped into the bath, her eyes closed as the hot water relaxed her muscles. "That was a good practice." Miyuki nodded as she stretched in the bath, grimacing as she felt her bones pop. "Ne, Miyuki-nee..." Miyuki looked at Nanoha, who was looking at her chest and pouting. "How come you have such big boobs and I got small ones?"

Miyuki sweat-dropped at that. "I don't think that mine are that big, I mean, I'm pretty sure that yours will..." She yelped as Nanoha slipped up behind her and grabbed her breasts. "Hey!"

"See? Miyuki-nee has big boobs and I got really small ones." Nanoha pouted as she squeezed Miyuki's chest. "See?"

Miyuki twitched slightly. "Nanoha, one, I'm an adult, and two, you're still growing, so, please, could you stop squeezing me?"

Nanoha let go of Miyuki's chest and pulled away, sulking. "But my boobs are, EEEK!" She yelped as Miyuki's larger chest pushed into her back and her older sister squeezed the young girl's soft breasts. "M...Miyuki-nee!!"

"Hmm... Feels normal to me." Miyuki nodded as she rubbed and fondled the girl's chest. "Why are you so worried?"

Nanoha sighed as Miyuki kept squeezing her breasts. "Because I'm worried that I'll be small and flat and everyone else is going to be tall and beautiful and, OWW!" Tears welled up in her eyes as Miyuki pinched her nipples hard. "What was that for?!"

"For being stupid." Miyuki let go of Nanoha's chest. "You'll grow as tall as you will, and your breasts will get bigger. Mom told me once that she was short and her breasts were rather small when she was younger. Just eat right, okay?"

"And let Hayate-chan grope my breasts?" Nanoha gave her a flat look and Miyuki shrugged at her.

"Maybe, if you think it'll help you grow." Miyuki shook her head. "You don't need to worry, Nanoha, I'm sure that you'll grow up to be a beautiful woman."

Nanoha smiled at her as she shifted in the water and hugged her sister. "Thanks, Onee-chan... Mouuu..." She put her face against Miyuki's breasts and pouted more. "I still think it's unfair that you have such big boobs. Vita-chan, Suzuka-chan and Fate-chan all have big ones too." At least Arisa wasn't too large, otherwise her friend would hold another thing over her. Nanoha's eyes snapped open as Miyuki drove her knuckles into her scalp. "OW! OW! OWW!" When Miyuki stopped doing that, she looked up, tears falling from her eyes. "What was that for?"

"For being stupid, again." Miyuki shook her head as she got up from the tub. "Just relax, Nanoha, you're still growing."

Nanoha sighed and relaxed in the water as Miyuki toweled off and walked into the changing area. "Easy for you to say..." She muttered softly and pouted, dunking the bottom portion of her mouth into the water, blowing bubbles out of annoyance.

After all, Miyuki didn't have to deal with the fact that all the other girls in her class had growing breasts and she, well, had such small breasts that some girls were teasing her and saying that she should probably have stayed in elementary school until her breasts grew in. It just wasn't fair.

When she heard a yelp outside of the bathroom, she quickly stood up and ran for the door, ignoring her nudity. If something bad was happening, she needed to act quickly.

(---)

Miyuki shook her head as she closed the door behind her and draped a towel over her shoulders as she bent over to grab another towel and wipe her hair down. "Shee, can't Nanoha ever relax?" As much as she loved her sister, things like that were annoying.

"BAH!" Miyuki stood straight up and spun around, the towel on her shoulders falling down behind her as she turned to face the person who snuck up on her.

"I'm sorry!" Yuuno's face was bright red as he stood there, seemingly unsure if he should run or stay and enjoy the view. The best thing he could do was stare, his face bright red while he tried to turn away. When the door behind Miyuki opened up and Nanoha, completely naked and dripping wet, ran into the room, he couldn't stand it anymore and he slumped down, trembling. "I'm sorry, sorry..." He covered his eyes, his face completely red.

Nanoha and Miyuki were both blushing and mumbled something as they stepped back into the bathroom and closed the door. "Hey, Yuuno..." Miyuki spoke out from behind the door. "Can you hand me my bra and panties?"

"BWAH?!" Yuuno fell over and stared at the door. "You gotta be kidding me!" He whimpered as Miyuki poked her head out from behind the door. "...Okay."

It didn't take long to get both girls their clothes and dressed up. When they stepped out of the bathroom, they saw Yuuno sitting on the floor of the dressing area, trembling and rocking back and forth. "Why?"

"Yuuno?" Miyuki asked as he looked at them, his face still red. "You okay?"

"No!" Yuuno shook his head, his face red. "I like you two, and then you two show up naked, and then there's Vita who keeps showing off her breasts and Hayate likes hugging me and Fate likes to show off her swimsuits to me and," he was trembling at that moment, "and you're always showing me your body, Miyuki and now Nanoha ended up naked and... I can't take it!" He yelled, his eyes squeezing closed and forcing out a couple of tears. "It's hard on me, every time I see you girls, I have to adjust my pants because it's hard to concentrate, you're all so pretty and... Arrgh!"

Nanoha and Miyuki were blushing as they looked at each other, then back at Yuuno. For some reason, they really had no idea what to say.

"Excuse me..." Yuuno stood up and walked into the bathroom, closing the door behind him fully.

Nanoha sighed and looked at Miyuki. "We screwed up, huh?"

Miyuki nodded and could only hope that Yuuno wasn't too upset at them over this.

And even if he was, she had ideas how to make it up to him.

[shiroi mahotsukai]

Originally Posted by Nanya01

Dusk

Red 1-25

Red 26

Red 27

Red 28

Spoiler for Blood That Flows - Red 29:

Meanwhile...

"Hiyah!" Nanoha let out a yell as she and Miyuki did some light sparring in the dojo. Light being subjective most of the time, considering that they were just using normal wooden training swords, it was light for them.

The tears in the walls, ceiling and floor didn't mean much for them as Miyuki parried a thrusting attack by Nanoha before slapping her wrists with the short wooden sword in her left hand. "Nice try, Nanoha." Miyuki panted and rubbed the sweat off of her forehead. "I think that's enough for today."

Nanoha nodded and grimaced at the way her sweat-soaked shirt clung to her body. "Bleah, I could use a bath."

"Hang on." Miyuki smiled as she grabbed a towel. "I'll join you."

Nanoha smiled as the two left the dojo together.

(---)

"Ahhh!" Nanoha sighed as she slipped into the bath, her eyes closed as the hot water relaxed her muscles. "That was a good practice." Miyuki nodded as she stretched in the bath, grimacing as she felt her bones pop. "Ne, Miyuki-nee..." Miyuki looked at Nanoha, who was looking at her chest and pouting. "How come you have such big boobs and I got small ones?"

Miyuki sweat-dropped at that. "I don't think that mine are that big, I mean, I'm pretty sure that yours will..." She yelped as Nanoha slipped up behind her and grabbed her breasts. "Hey!"

"See? Miyuki-nee has big boobs and I got really small ones." Nanoha pouted as she squeezed Miyuki's chest. "See?"

Miyuki twitched slightly. "Nanoha, one, I'm an adult, and two, you're still growing, so, please, could you stop squeezing me?"

Nanoha let go of Miyuki's chest and pulled away, sulking. "But my boobs are, EEEK!" She yelped as Miyuki's larger chest pushed into her back and her older sister squeezed the young girl's soft breasts. "M...Miyuki-nee!!"

"Hmm... Feels normal to me." Miyuki nodded as she rubbed and fondled the girl's chest. "Why are you so worried?"

Nanoha sighed as Miyuki kept squeezing her breasts. "Because I'm worried that I'll be small and flat and everyone else is going to be tall and beautiful and, OWW!" Tears welled up in her eyes as Miyuki pinched her nipples hard. "What was that for?!"

"For being stupid." Miyuki let go of Nanoha's chest. "You'll grow as tall as you will, and your breasts will get bigger. Mom told me once that she was short and her breasts were rather small when she was younger. Just eat right, okay?"

"And let Hayate-chan grope my breasts?" Nanoha gave her a flat look and Miyuki shrugged at her.

"Maybe, if you think it'll help you grow." Miyuki shook her head. "You don't need to worry, Nanoha, I'm sure that you'll grow up to be a beautiful woman."

Nanoha smiled at her as she shifted in the water and hugged her sister. "Thanks, Onee-chan... Mouuu..." She put her face against Miyuki's breasts and pouted more. "I still think it's unfair that you have such big boobs. Vita-chan, Suzuka-chan and Fate-chan all have big ones too." At least Arisa wasn't too large, otherwise her friend would hold another thing over her. Nanoha's eyes snapped open as Miyuki drove her knuckles into her scalp. "OW! OW! OWW!" When Miyuki stopped doing that, she looked up, tears falling from her eyes. "What was that for?"

"For being stupid, again." Miyuki shook her head as she got up from the tub. "Just relax, Nanoha, you're still growing."

Nanoha sighed and relaxed in the water as Miyuki toweled off and walked into the changing area. "Easy for you to say..." She muttered softly and pouted, dunking the bottom portion of her mouth into the water, blowing bubbles out of annoyance.

After all, Miyuki didn't have to deal with the fact that all the other girls in her class had growing breasts and she, well, had such small breasts that some girls were teasing her and saying that she should probably have stayed in elementary school until her breasts grew in. It just wasn't fair.

When she heard a yelp outside of the bathroom, she quickly stood up and ran for the door, ignoring her nudity. If something bad was happening, she needed to act quickly.

(---)

Miyuki shook her head as she closed the door behind her and draped a towel over her shoulders as she bent over to grab another towel and wipe her hair down. "Shee, can't Nanoha ever relax?" As much as she loved her sister, things like that were annoying.

"BAH!" Miyuki stood straight up and spun around, the towel on her shoulders falling down behind her as she turned to face the person who snuck up on her.

"I'm sorry!" Yuuno's face was bright red as he stood there, seemingly unsure if he should run or stay and enjoy the view. The best thing he could do was stare, his face bright red while he tried to turn away. When the door behind Miyuki opened up and Nanoha, completely naked and dripping wet, ran into the room, he couldn't stand it anymore and he slumped down, trembling. "I'm sorry, sorry..." He covered his eyes, his face completely red.

Nanoha and Miyuki were both blushing and mumbled something as they stepped back into the bathroom and closed the door. "Hey, Yuuno..." Miyuki spoke out from behind the door. "Can you hand me my bra and panties?"

"BWAH?!" Yuuno fell over and stared at the door. "You gotta be kidding me!" He whimpered as Miyuki poked her head out from behind the door. "...Okay."

It didn't take long to get both girls their clothes and dressed up. When they stepped out of the bathroom, they saw Yuuno sitting on the floor of the dressing area, trembling and rocking back and forth. "Why?"

"Yuuno?" Miyuki asked as he looked at them, his face still red. "You okay?"

"No!" Yuuno shook his head, his face red. "I like you two, and then you two show up naked, and then there's Vita who keeps showing off her breasts and Hayate likes hugging me and Fate likes to show off her swimsuits to me and," he was trembling at that moment, "and you're always showing me your body, Miyuki and now Nanoha ended up naked and... I can't take it!" He yelled, his eyes squeezing closed and forcing out a couple of tears. "It's hard on me, every time I see you girls, I have to adjust my pants because it's hard to concentrate, you're all so pretty and... Arrgh!"

Nanoha and Miyuki were blushing as they looked at each other, then back at Yuuno. For some reason, they really had no idea what to say.

"Excuse me..." Yuuno stood up and walked into the bathroom, closing the door behind him fully.

Nanoha sighed and looked at Miyuki. "We screwed up, huh?"

Miyuki nodded and could only hope that Yuuno wasn't too upset at them over this.

And even if he was, she had ideas how to make it up to him.

And Yuuno has finally snapped, well it was bound to happen sooner or later what with the direction this timeline seems to be heading in. Probably a good thing it's now and not in a few years time... or with more people... or if he had his device with him... or if-, y'know it could be worse?

A=cup Angst Nanoha is adorable, it seems nearly everybody is turning into mini-Hayates these days. You can really see her mother in her, although a good bit of Shiro is really noticable in these situations, after all the house is still standing.

[deathcurse]

This is a sequel to “You Never Lose By Loving”/ “Lose By Holding Back”, from both popular demand and also from the plot bunny refusing to hibernate and leave me alone .

Prerogative of the Brave

“A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave."
--Mahatma Gandhi

Spoiler for Prerogative of the Brave, Chapter 1:

Prerogative of the Brave

Chapter 1

“She’s WHAT?”

Rein stared at the yelling brunette in front of her, both puzzled and alarmed at the exclamation. “Um, on vacation? Hayate-chan had said she was feeling a little tired and so she asked me to apply for a week’s vacation for her…”

“You mean she ran away?” Nanoha steamed, crossing her arms and narrowing her blue-gray eyes into dark slits.

“Ran away from what?” Rein was beginning to feel like she was on a whole different plane of conversation than Nanoha…

“Nothing!” Vivio quickly jumped in before her mother could say anything. The blonde was nearly entirely red in the face, and she twitched towards the door as if hoping that she could slink out unnoticed. Rein saw Vivio glance over Hayate’s desk and look disappointed when she didn’t see whatever she was looking for. Peering at Vivio bemusedly, Rein suddenly felt things click.

“Oh, you mean Hayate-chan ran away from—”

“Nothing!” yelped Vivio, ducking her head. Now her ears were burning just as red as her hidden face. “Nanoha-mama…it’s really fine. I mean…” an unbearably sad tone crept into the young woman’s voice, “Hayate-san has been working really hard lately, and so she deserves some off time away from…from all this.”

Rein exchanged a look with Nanoha.

Then they exchanged wide, toothy grins.

…Vivio was starting to get an uneasy feeling about all this.

**O**

It had been so long since Hayate had done multiple teleports in a row, she had to stop to catch her breath as she arrived at her final destination in the Tsukimura backyard. Teleporting across space-time often came with a tinge of nausea, and Hayate had gotten used to getting a helicopter ride everywhere on Cranagan. But it was entirely worth it, to come back to her homeworld after so many years. And seeing old friends was the best part of all.

“Hayate-chan!” A voice called out, and Hayate turned with a smile.

“Suzuka-chan!” They hugged each other tightly in excitement. Hayate pulled back and beamed, picking up her dropped suitcase. “Thank you for letting me stay here for a few days.”

“Of course you would be!” Suzuka said happily, guiding Hayate to the side door of the mansion that lead into the solarium. “How could I let visiting friends stay in a hotel? We have lots of room here, and old friends are always welcome.”

Hayate glanced through the solarium window, and chuckled. “I see that Arisa-chan is here too?” she teased. Both of her old classmates were pervasively vague about the status of their relationship with each other to everyone, even their closest friends. Yet they were constantly together and “single”, and while Hayate, Nanoha and Fate all agreed that they gave off the same vibes as Nanoha and Fate had as teenagers, Suzuka and Arisa were considerably more ambiguous than the former and made it hard to tell for sure. Hayate would have hoped that the two of them had tied the knot by now, but maybe they had their own reasons for not admitting to anything beyond friendship for each other.

That gave Hayate an uncomfortable feeling.

“Yes, Arisa-chan is here,” Suzuka replied, cheery and not showing a hint of embarrassment. “She definitely wouldn’t want to miss an old friend’s visit!”

“That’s kind of her—Oh,” Hayate remembered to ask before she forgot, “Can I borrow a couple of heavy books? I kind of need them for something…”

Suzuka raised an elegant eyebrow but simply nodded. “Certainly—Farin can take care of that for you. She does a good job with the ones we have in the garden.”

Once they were inside and Farin had whisked Hayate’s suitcase away, Arisa came over and gave Hayate a brief hug. The tall blonde had cut her hair shorter, giving her a business-woman mature look. “Hello, Hayate.” She picked up a dozing cat from one of the seats and set the animal on the floor, offering the seat to Hayate.

“Hi Arisa-chan,” Hayate smiled, sitting down and accepting the tea Suzuka poured for her. “How have you been?”

“Fine. Work and all that.” Despite being a multimillionaire heiress, Arisa had studied to become a veterinarian and had workdays that nearly rivalled Hayate’s own work hours. The years had mellowed her outspoken friend, and despite her tiredness Arisa seemed at ease. “How about you? I keep hearing from Nanoha that you and Fate work too much.”

“She’s one to talk!” Hayate tried to defend herself. “Well, Nanoha-chan has eased off her workload lately, but I had to steal Vivio for the Ground Forces to keep Nanoha home and not burning herself out on missions,” she half-joked, trying to hide her little twitch when she had mentioned Vivio, the name suddenly reminding her of why she had run away on vacation in the first place.

“I…really like you, Hayate-san.”

The memory made Hayate’s jaw clench.

Unfortunately, Suzuka was alarmingly sharp-eyed. And when she shared a brief look with Arisa, the unspoken language of very familiar souls passing between them, Hayate felt a sense of apprehension seep into her.

“So how’s Vivio-chan?” Suzuka smiled and shook her head bemusedly. “It’s hard to imagine Nanoha-chan as a mother sometimes!”

“She’s a great mother,” Hayate nodded fiercely. “Vivio’s a great girl. She’s a squad leader already in the Ground Forces Defence Corps Strike Team—um, it’s an elite attack team for trouble in the city. Like a S.W.A.T. team here, I suppose. Do you want to see?” Tapping Schwertkreuz, a holographic picture sprang up from Hayate’s Device. It was their most recent group photo, and Hayate proudly pointed out Vivio in her sharp new uniform with the crest of the elite team on her sleeve. “It’s a very prestigious team, and she’s definitely working really hard. Everyone on her squad really respects her, despite the fact that she’s younger than all of them.”

“Sounds like mother, like daughter,” Arisa remarked. “They’re both pretty determined when they know what they want, eh?”

Hayate nearly choked on her tea. “Um…yes.” She laughed awkwardly.

“Speaking of Nanoha-chan,” Suzuka said. “How is she doing with Fate-chan? It’s too bad that the last time we could visit was when they got married.” Having best friends who lived on a different planet was hard, and as much as they all tried to keep in touch it was inevitable that their messages became scarcer than when they were younger.

“They’re good,” Hayate said, and then sniggered. “Didn’t Nanoha-chan mail you that copy of the GrapeVine cover?”

Arisa set her cup down before she spilled tea over herself as she shook with laughter. “I can’t believe you actually kissed Fate! And let yourself get photographed for it!”

“I only kissed her on the cheek,” Hayate grinned. “It’s not my fault that the photographer got the shot at that angle! Besides, I had arranged for the GraveVine to be one of the sponsors of the charity auction, so that a portion of the proceeds on their next paper was going to be donated. I think that issue broke their previous sales record.”

Nanoha had confronted Fate about the “kiss” over breakfast, and she and Hayate had teasingly fanned the flames of Fate’s stammering embarrassment as she tried to convince her wife that no such kiss had actually happened. Hayate had let up on the teasing when she had noticed Vivio coming into the kitchen, a mixed expression on the young blonde’s face as she had looked at the tabloid cover, then at Hayate. While Vivio had laughed as well once she had seen her Fate-mama’s flustered state, a shadow of some dimmer emotion had clung to her vivid eyes. Sadness? Envy? Or a kind of wistful longing…

“Hey! Earth to Hayate!” Arisa snapped her fingers in front of Hayate’s face, jolting the brunette out of her reminiscing. “Did you hear Suzuka’s question?”

“No, sorry…what did you say, Suzuka-chan?”

The purple-haired woman smiled patiently. “I asked you if you were seeing anyone recently, Hayate-chan.”

Hayate really did choke on her tea this time. Arisa slapped her back as she coughed into her napkin, feeling a flush rising on her cheeks. “Wha…Why would you ask that?”

“Well, you’re not getting any younger,” Arisa said dryly. “We’re curious. Any romances you want to share with your old friends?”

Very deliberately withholding the urge to turn the remark of not getting any younger back on her questioners, Hayate calmly bit into one of the biscuits, chewing to give herself time to compose herself before answering. “No, no romances,” she replied lightly. “Being a Lt. General sounds impressive, but the amount of paperwork I have to deal with every day practically isn’t worth it. I don’t have time for a relationship, and it’s not like I’m lacking for love with so many great family and friends. It all works out perfectly.”

From her years of experience spotting subtleties in her subordinates, Hayate easily caught the second quick glance between Suzuka and Arisa. Great, they were going to tag-team her…

“So, Hayate-chan,” Suzuka started, and Hayate braced herself for the coming questions that she wasn’t going to like. “Did you have any plans for your week off?”

“Uh…” Caught off-guard, Hayate took a moment to gather her thoughts. She hoped that her surprise hadn’t been evident—she wasn’t used to being off-balance. Hayate usually was the one making other people off-balance! The past day must have really shaken Hayate up more than she had thought. “Um, no plans, really. I just wanted to chill and do nothing for a few days. Military life can get uncomfortably regulated, sometimes.”

“Good,” Arisa declared. “You have to make time to go and watch Suzuka’s next concert. It’s a joint one with Kaioh Michiru, and Suzuka has some new pieces that are really good.”

“A joint concert?” Hayate repeated, impressed. While she had gotten the first viewing (well, probably truthfully the second one, since undoubtedly Suzuka had given Arisa a live performance many times before) of Suzuka’s first violin piece a few years ago, her first friend’s skills must have improved greatly for her to be holding a joint concert with a distinguished artist like Kaioh Michiru. Suzuka blushed bashfully, while Arisa gave her an affectionate and proud smile. “Of course!”

“I’m sorry, all the evening tickets were sold out,” Suzuka said apologetically. “I do have tickets for the matinee showing, and I’d love to see you there. I have a few different days, so you can probably take your pick first.”

“Why do you have so many tickets?” Hayate asked curiously as she looked at the fancy tickets that Suzuka had placed on the table.

“Well, I’ll need some for—” A flash of light outside in the garden interrupted Suzuka, making Hayate snap her hand to her Device. “Ah, that must be them now.”

“Them?” Hayate asked blankly, confused.

“Suzuka-chan!” Farin opened the solarium door, bowing. “The rest of your guests have arrived.”

“The rest of—”

“Suzuka-chan!” An energetic and bright-eyed Takamachi Nanoha waved from the doorway, her other hand clasped around a smiling Fate’s. “Arisa-chan!”

“Nanoha-chan, Fate-chan, what are you doing here?” Hayate asked stupidly, still very confused.

“Can’t a girl visit her sister-in-law/old friend?” Nanoha answered with blinding good cheer, falsely oblivious.

“Welcome, Nanoha-chan, Fate-chan,” Suzuka greeted, ignoring Hayate’s dumbfounded gaping. “I’m so glad all of you could find the same vacation time to come and visit.”

“The…same vacation time?” Hayate remarked suspiciously.

“Of course!” Nanoha said innocently. “It’s so hard to find time for family vacations these days, so we have to take what time we can get, right? It’s a good thing the Corps activity is slow with you on vacation, Hayate-chan, or else it would have been hard getting any vacation time at all.”

“A family vacation?” Hayate suddenly realized…

“Yup! Suzuka-chan, Arisa-chan, it’s been a while since you’ve met Vivio, right?” Nanoha gently nudged Vivio forward, and the normally friendly blonde girl had her head down, revealing her red ears.

“Nice to meet you,” Vivio stammered, looking up politely to greet Suzuka and Arisa. She seemed determined to look everywhere but right at Hayate, trembling with the effort.

Nanoha had been right so many years ago when she had swore to get payback for Hayate’s meddling in her love life. Seven days with Vivio while under the match-making force of these resourceful friends?

Hayate was doomed.

She had known the signs, so when Vivio had placed that rose down on her desk Hayate had done her best to keep her conviction strong, despite little lapses. But things hadn’t exactly gone the way she had wanted, and so this vacation was supposed to help Hayate get her head together…

Vivio’s gaze drifted, and Hayate couldn’t look away from the girl’s red-green eyes, staring so nervously and yet so keenly back at her. And all the logical arguments and conviction promptly melted from Hayate’s thoughts.

…

Hayate’s head dropped onto the tabletop with a thunk.

Doomed.

Spoiler for Author's Note:

This is a 7 chapter sequel to “You Never Lose By Loving”/ “Lose By Holding Back”, continuing Hayate and Vivio's relationship after Vivio's confession. I’m a bit nervous with how this one will go, but hopefully I can pull it off by the end …

Kaioh Michiru is a cameo Sailor Moon fans would recognize .

EDIT: Altered some honorifics. Thanks RD!

[Rising Dragon]

And I'm still chuckling from reading this, even while I type this out.

But, not to nit-pick or anything, but doesn't Arisa usually call people by their name without honorifics? I don't ever recall her calling the others with them.

[deathcurse]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

And I'm still chuckling from reading this, even while I type this out.

But, not to nit-pick or anything, but doesn't Arisa usually call people by their name without honorifics? I don't ever recall her calling the others with them.

I wondered about that , since I had rewatched some of the first season to refresh my memory on their speaking styles. I had originally had Arisa use "-chan" as well to unsubtly point out how she doesn't use it for Suzuka....hm, for the sake of correctness, do you think I should edit it? =O

[Rising Dragon]

It just seemed a bit odd to me--Arisa never used honorifics in the series (unless she did in the Sound Stages), even as they got older. Arisa called Nanoha "Nanoha" in the A's epilogue, while Suzuka called her "Nanoha-chan." But ultimately its up to you.

[shiroi mahotsukai]

Originally Posted by deathcurse

I wondered about that , since I had rewatched some of the first season to refresh my memory on their speaking styles. I had originally had Arisa use "-chan" as well to unsubtly point out how she doesn't use it for Suzuka....hm, for the sake of correctness, do you think I should edit it? =O

You did say she's mellowed out over the years, so maybe she picked up a more Japanese speaking register... Suzuka's influence maybe.

That was hilarious though, Hayate has absolutely no chance at all of getting back to Cranagan in the same state she left in. That was really evil of Nanoha, funny, karmic and rightfully deserved but still evil.

[deathcurse]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

It just seemed a bit odd to me--Arisa never used honorifics in the series (unless she did in the Sound Stages), even as they got older. Arisa called Nanoha "Nanoha" in the A's epilogue, while Suzuka called her "Nanoha-chan." But ultimately its up to you.

Ah, okay, noted. I edited out the honorifics ^^.

Originally Posted by shiroi mahotsukai

That was hilarious though, Hayate has absolutely no chance at all of getting back to Cranagan in the same state she left in. That was really evil of Nanoha, funny, karmic and rightfully deserved but still evil.

Hehe, I'm glad you enjoyed it . It's finally Nanoha's turn in fandom to be the wicked matchmaker!

[00-Raiser]

Should Nanoha really be trying to hook up her daughter with her childhood friend that is 13 years older? Shouldn't she be against it instead?

[Akiyoshi]

better with a friend than with some of those hideous "men".

[00-Raiser]

Kinda hope that isn't the case =/ When I paired Vivio with Yuuno I wrote the other characters as accepting of it but people in this thread were quick to tell me that they should be against the idea. Should the reaction be negative only because it's a guy-girl pairing? Does yuri make everything fine? Again, I hope such a double standard isn't in place

[Akiyoshi]

Wow, calm down, i was just joking xDU

Actually i didn't look quite right at Vivio in a relationship with neither Hayate or Yuuno because of the age difference, i guess it's because of how i'm raised that such a large age gap in a couple(specially if one of them is still a child) looks unfitting to me.

A bit ironic tough, because i'm a fan of Sesshomaru x Rin(both from Inuyasha) but usually in a settling where Sesshomaru actually wait till she grows up into a woman(after all the guy is a seemingly immortal youkai so the wait must be cake for him).

[deathcurse]

Some of Nanoha and Fate's thoughts will be addressed in the next chapter. But to leak some things ahead of time, I see Nanoha's concern being her daughter's emotional well-being. She respects Vivio's maturity, and so her goal is to make sure that Vivio's feelings are respected. Whether it is Hayate, or Yuuno, or a guy or a girl, doesn't matter as much . Of course it isn't as simple as just that, but that's what I see as Nanoha's main motivation.

[00-Raiser]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Wow, calm down, i was just joking xDU

Actually i didn't look quite right at Vivio in a relationship with neither Hayate or Yuuno because of the age difference, i guess it's because of how i'm raised that such a large age gap in a couple(specially if one of them is still a child) looks unfitting to me.

I am calm. Just asking to the nature of the discrepency *shrug* Though like everyone I do get slightly annoyed when I percieve I'm on the short end of a double standard.

Normally I just prefer a younger girl crushing on an older guy and nothing more. I think it's cute. It can get kinda creepy if it's reciprocal but I took a chance with it anyways. It was a failure, but hey, I took a chance.

[Shigan]

I duck out for a work project of hell for a few weeks and you guys sets off a whole new pairing trend? Very well .

deathcurse: That was fun. Way, way fun. Hayate do need some loving, and heh, I just don't see this suitor backing off, not even under the threat of Vita's hammer. Loved the scene when she hands Hayate the rose, that's the true Takamachi spirit for sure! Haha! I'll be looking forward to this very much indeed. ^_^

Now, I shall gobble aspirin!

[deathcurse]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Normally I just prefer a younger girl crushing on an older guy and nothing more. I think it's cute. It can get kinda creepy if it's reciprocal but I took a chance with it anyways. It was a failure, but hey, I took a chance.

Large age gaps normally creep me out, whether it's between two girls or a guy and a girl (or two guys). There's too much potential abuse of power in a situation like that , and the unfortunate thing is that more cases shown in literature and media involve an older man and a younger girl than between two people of the same gender (with most stories based on heteronormative societies, it's to be expected).

Which is why this new series is really an interesting mind-screw for me, to try and justify something that I normally find disturbing . I definitely think that large age gap relationships can work out, even if I'm not fond of them myself. So the trick here is to try and come up with a story that will convince me that Hayate and Vivio is possible and believable , and that's what I'm more concerned about. If I'm lucky, then I can convince other people too.

Failure is a pretty likely option, but meh, it's an interesting challenge nonetheless ^^.

EDIT: Ninja'd! XD

Originally Posted by Shigan

I duck out for a work project of hell for a few weeks and you guys sets off a whole new pairing trend? Very well .

deathcurse: That was fun. Way, way fun. Hayate do need some loving, and heh, I just don't see this suitor backing off, not even under the threat of Vita's hammer. Loved the scene when she hands Hayate the rose, that's the true Takamachi spirit for sure! Haha! I'll be looking forward to this very much indeed. ^_^

Now, I shall gobble aspirin!

LOL, it's not causing as much controversy as I initially dreaded .

Thanks! Oh man, I hadn't even thought about the Wolkies' reaction to all this yet XD...

[Shigan]

Controversy? I love the idea! (Vivio -is- legal here, isn't she? o_o)

What could truly knock a shrewd, tactical, pragmatic mastermind-type character like Hayate off her feet better than the unyielding, uncompromising, sky-razing energy of a Takamachi? And since Takamachi the senior is pretty much hogged, well, go Vivio! =D

Well, if you want to make it overtly romantic, you could have the wolkenritter challenge Vivio and her clan (namely, Fate + Nanoha) according to some ancient Belkan tradition in combat over the right to court their mistress or something. Hayate's O__o reaction would be nothing short of priceless.

Otherwise, I can understand how this could be controversial, I'm usually not a huge fan of big age-gap couplings myself but you made such an excellent premise so I'll just sit back and let you take us away, and perhaps do a little writing on my own between your chapters .

[00-Raiser]

Originally Posted by deathcurse

more cases shown in literature and media involve an older man and a younger girl than between two people of the same gender (with most stories based on heteronormative societies, it's to be expected).

It's also a scientific thing. Studies show that men prefer younger girls due to maximum child bearing potential, while women prefer older men for the stability and security.

Originally Posted by deathcurse

Which is why this new series is really an interesting mind-screw for me, to try and justify something that I normally find disturbing . I definitely think that large age gap relationships can work out, even if I'm not fond of them myself. So the trick here is to try and come up with a story that will convince me that Hayate and Vivio is possible and believable , and that's what I'm more concerned about. If I'm lucky, then I can convince other people too.

Failure is a pretty likely option, but meh, it's an interesting challenge nonetheless ^^.

That's more or less what my mentality was when I started Vivio/Yuuno. Also like here everyone was pretty receptive of the idea at first, but unfortunately I disappointed them all.

I bet you a fic that you'll have more success.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Again, I hope such a double standard isn't in place

Speaking of double standards, there's something that has been bugging me for a while: Why must the child of a yuri pairing be female? (And before someone points this out, Erio and Caro are Fate's children, not NanoFate)

Take one of the recent NanoFate fic for example. It's a good fic (though sugary romance is just not my cup of tea) but if IIRC later in the story the pair gained another child (I forgot how. Magic, probably) whose gender is...well whaddaya know, female. Then I remembered this is not the first yuri story I read where the pair was gifted with a daughter and I have yet to read a yuri fic where the pair has a son, so...

Did I just read not enough yuri story to find any example of the latter, or is giving a daughter for a yuri pairing really a trend? And if true, why?

...don't tell me it's something like "a boy would destroy the *ahem* purity of the couple" argument?

[Nanya01]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Speaking of double standards, there's something that has been bugging me for a while: Why must the child of a yuri pairing be female? (And before someone points this out, Erio and Caro are Fate's children, not NanoFate)

Take one of the recent NanoFate fic for example. It's a good fic (though sugary romance is just not my cup of tea) but if IIRC later in the story the pair gained another child (I forgot how. Magic, probably) whose gender is...well whaddaya know, female. Then I remembered this is not the first yuri story I read where the pair was gifted with a daughter and I have yet to read a yuri fic where the pair has a son, so...

Did I just read not enough yuri story to find any example of the latter, or is giving a daughter for a yuri pairing really a trend? And if true, why?

...don't tell me it's something like "a boy would destroy the *ahem* purity of the couple" argument?

If I go by the attitudes of certain NanoFate fans...

Boys are icky.

Plus, as one person said (and I won't mention names here, you know who you are) "Yuuno and Chrono get as much love as they need in canon, which is none."