2011-07-12, 20:06 | Link #41 | |
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2011-07-12, 20:10 | Link #42 | ||
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Gaara sunk (he lost control) but he swam too since his failure at the test was of no real consequences at all except for the fact Yashamaru died and Gaara became batshit insane. Quote:
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2011-07-12, 20:18 | Link #43 | |
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2011-07-12, 20:49 | Link #44 |
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People still surprised by kishis retconning..LOOL.. it all went out the window in the moments early in part 2 where he forgot the sharingan was meant to be derived from the byakugan..In order to keep his naruto world expanding and the power ups and jutsu power increasing hes had to virtually rewrite evrything he himself stated in part 1. You gotta feel sorry for the guy. Plot holes have long since given way to plot canyons, but i still like the story...just try and suspend your disbelief whenever a chapter like this one occurs..Which is beginning to be more and more frequent.
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2011-07-12, 21:08 | Link #45 |
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You really can't feel sorry for someone who can't seem to keep his world and characters consistent. It's his own damn fault for being incompetent or more likely as you said, willfully ignoring consistency for the sake of super-boom-jutsus and faux emotional revelations.
--- While Gaara is probably in the top 3 of my favourite Naruto characters, his emotional journey's been done. He's become a responsible shinobi. We don't need a rehash of his development when Kishi's got more than a dozen characters on the bench twiddling their thumbs waiting for even a chapter worth of development (edit: AKA Relevance). Ok, probably a mix of incompetence and willfully ignoring what he set up in part 1. |
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He's created an international commercial giant all while printing the equivalent of crap on paper every week and succeeding in a fiercely competitive industry where most fail before they even begin. I don't feel the least bit sorry for him. Quote:
Oh, and in the spirit of fairness, I mentioned earlier that Gaara stated in this chapter that he loves and has forgiven his dad, which is untrue (although he did appear to show some emotional reaction). Even so, this whole fiasco is stupid, regardless. |
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2011-07-13, 04:56 | Link #50 |
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It is not retconning, we know about the situation from a mad Gaara point of view and we also see that before a test he killed one guy (page 5), probably he thought it was an assasin, but it was some bystander. Then dad (he was more of Danzo than loving parent) thinks a test to try him, which makes him super insane. Though we don't know if there were really any assassins (except the test) and Gaara still don't know about this. Only learns that mother loved him.
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2011-07-13, 10:43 | Link #51 |
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Now Gaara's father admit that he lacks of faith to his son.
Edo Tensei will ended if the object goals is fulfilled. Seeing how he surprised with the fact that Gaara is the Kazekage, does it mean this battle already ended ? Those former Kages other than Gaara's father sure know how to enjoy the battlefield |
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Gaara's father wanted to give him one last chance, so he created a situation where the bijuu would completely take over if Gaara couldn't control it. It was extremely cruel thing to do, but that's the only thing he knew. It drive Gaara insane, but at the same time it seems to haves somehow paid off since Gaara could control his powers though he was still extremely dangerous because he was mentally unstable. Quote:
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2011-07-13, 11:25 | Link #53 |
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I'll take her to Kim Trenor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Ann_Sawyers Anyway this chapter despite undermining one of Gaara's most tragic aspects of his character was a fairly good one I'll say.
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2011-07-13, 11:32 | Link #54 |
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Lol, well, everyone seems pretty down on this chappy, but I LOVED it- Just the way the expressions were drawn on their faces, and finding out the truth about Gaara and everything- something just made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Like I had just swallowed a baby duckling To me, it didn't come off feeling crappy like a lot of Naruto's love-no-jutsu, and I think it's because we don't usually see Gaara in a love-no-jutsu situation.
Anyway, I really loved it I thought it was really quite sweet...
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2011-07-13, 12:39 | Link #55 |
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You are getting this wrong from the beginning, there are no emotions here as there were no in the flashback. This "human emotions" vs "ninjas are tools" theme was always there in the manga, and as we see Gaara's father was one who was almost perfect in killing his emotions. When he thinks about Gaara he only thinks about "value", is Gaara an asset to the village or is he worthless. And it seems he raised his whole family like that, both Temari and Kankuro are like that, the only strong emotions they did show are fear. When Shikamaru was crying Temari asked him why is he affected by emotions, didn't he receive training to remove such emotional behaviour. Even now when Temari realizes that it's her father her reaction is not emotional as it would be if she was raised as a normal child. Even now the father just wants to "detemine Gaara's worth" by fighting him, so even now by his logic if Gaara is unable to beat him he is not good enough to be kazekage. When someone has a "value" based on how strong he is, that's not love, it's just logic. The reason his father is shocked is that he realized that his logic about Gaara's "value" completely failed, because he is dead and Gaara is kazekage.
The interesting things is that Gaara says he now understands his father's actions, which way of thinking seems to be too close to what his father did. So maybe in this fight Gaara will also change a bit, and as a result he will be able to understand more Naruto's way of thinking, which is the complete opposite of his father's. The way Naruto thinks about Sasuke is not about how valuable Sasuke is. And if that happens then after this fight Gaara will be closer to Naruto than he is now. |
2011-07-13, 14:29 | Link #58 | |
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But this weak point of Edo Tensei was already known. However when Kabuto began to focus on Zabuza and Haku they just completely lost their character and became real mindless zombies, so presumably Kabuto can even stop their talking. Kabuto can probably focus only one one or two of them at a time, so he can't make all the zombies STFU (but this is just my assumption based on Kabuto's performance so far, he may become better with this jutsu). |
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2011-07-13, 17:44 | Link #59 |
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If you think about it, the kage's response to the whole situation is very realistic. Their pride shouldn't allow them to accept being pull back for the sole purpose of being a puppet to anothers will.
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I don't think anyone has to understand Naruto's feelings about Sasuke. Consider that the Konoha 12 don't care how valuable Sasuke is as a ninja. They don't see him as a tool. They simply see him as someone who can drag them into a cycle of revenge. Which even Naruto admits is quite true. It's just that Naruto wants to be the one to deal with him. And yeah, Temari in the hospital said she went underwent training to subdue her emotions. This was part of the Kazekage's program and something Konoha did not do. So it showed us what were we dealing with in Suna at the time and how the Kazekage viewed ninja as tools. The whole point of Gaara's character is breaking away from this mentality, finding his self worth, and being loved. And the rare times Kishi has bothered to develop Temari and Kankuro, he has showed that they are also breaking away from this training. Although Temari still comes off as standoffish to everyone expect her family and Shikamaru. Quote:
I also wonder if he drained most of Anko's chakra making it impossible for him to take over multiple zombies at this point. I think we need an update on what Kabuto is thinking right about now.
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