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kakakka · 2013-03-08, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Reckoner

Her guilt about killing him afterwards was seriously so debilitating that she'd kill 5 billion people over it?

Kimmijima is also controlling Misa. To go over what your saying, her guilt about killing him afterwards was seriously so debilitating that he was able to get into her and control her. Almost like how he control Airi.

ars89 · 2013-03-08, 21:58

So that's how tings happened. So looking out for Aki and Kai backfired on her. Like how everyone showed up to help, even Subaru's father. Frau's reaction to real Airi was great. Wonder what report 0 says.

Arturia Polaris · 2013-03-09, 00:12

I knew that Misaki was not the real baddie here.

Arty

articuzwolf · 2013-03-09, 01:43

one mystery left then

where that bunch of monopoles come from?

and glad that gejine is not just Kimijima Kou personality took over of Airi personality

blakstealth · 2013-03-09, 10:28

Gotta love it when the troops get rallied lol. So the first few scenes from episode 1 are really gonna happen, it seems. But this is a robot that's gonna actually fight and shit? holy mother, I can't wait for that.

Jarmel · 2013-03-09, 12:43

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Originally Posted by kakakka

Kimmijima is also controlling Misa. To go over what your saying, her guilt about killing him afterwards was seriously so debilitating that he was able to get into her and control her. Almost like how he control Airi.

You know that makes no sense right? This whole plot is so ridiculous.

kakakka · 2013-03-09, 12:52

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Originally Posted by Jarmel

You know that makes no sense right? This whole plot is so ridiculous.

Hahaha. It does to me. It's the same people who conceived a plot where people can create illusions through thoughts alone.

Dr. Casey · 2013-03-09, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Jarmel

You know that makes no sense right? This whole plot is so ridiculous.

excellent contribution Jarmel, thank you for your reasoned argument

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Originally Posted by Reckoner

The whole story about Misa and Kimmijima Kou was absolutely preposterous. How the hell did she discover his activities on the anemone?

Her guilt about killing him afterwards was seriously so debilitating that she'd kill 5 billion people over it?

Airi was getting mind controlled by what exactly?

There's certainly some gaps that need filling in; I also wonder how she discovered what he was up to on the Anemone. Given how detailed Visual Novels tend to be, this is something that I assume was elaborated upon more in the original story... hopefully there'll be some kind of explanation in the anime as well in the upcoming last two episodes.

Eater of All · 2013-03-09, 21:33

Isn't Kimijima controlling Misaki by mindscrewing/threatening her 24-7? No sane person can withstand a harassment like that for more than a few weeks (or days); it's not very easy to oppose someone who can appear anywhere at anytime and spread whatever information he wants.

And now that she has the power suit on, she is literally under his direct control.

Dawnstorm · 2013-03-09, 22:01

Aki's speech. It's exactly the sort of thing that normally makes me roll my eyes. And the content of it still does, but - surprisingly - during that speech I finally understood the show. She asks Kimijima whether her sister still likes robots, and - after finding out she does - launches into her speech. Robots are our bond. So far, everything as expected, but as she elaborates I start to understand things...

The key line: if we treat robots well, they will help us. Put that into the context of "robots are our bonds" and it becomes, if we work together, things will be all right. Cheesy, yes, but that's always been the case with Aki's optimism.

Now what does that mean for robots? Remember how Aki insisted that the robot needs a face? I thought that was so silly, but now I get it: the robot's a physical metaphor for what's right between people. It may be clunky and cheesy, the human form may be sub-optimal for combat, but it just has to look like that. Robots aren't people. Robots can only do what we tell them to. But if they look like people, and if we treat them like people, we don't forget our own kindness, and our own bonds. It's been there under my nose all through the series, but I didn't get it. Aki seems far less air-headed and stubborn now. I still roll my eyes at her optimism, and I still cringe at the speech, but I understand her much better now.

The real kicker, though, is that this speech occurs at the worst possible moment. You're being threatened with a weapon, and you launch into this speech? Really? So who is it who aims a gun at you? Airi. Controlled by Kimijima. Let me spell it out: Aki launches into a speech about how everything will be all right if we treat robots like people, while Kimijima Kou is treating Airi like a robot.

I have to admit that I was disappointed that Kimijima was such a cheesy villain in the end, but he had to be. He'll never get that speech as long as he just controlls other people. It's written deeply into the core of the story. Basically, Aki has an expanded notion of what counts as people (robots - metaphorically - count), while Kimijima has an extended notion of what counts as a robot (people, as long as they serve him). It's brilliant.

Oh, and finally: Who is Kou? His body's dead, and the upload was incomplete, yet functional. The question is: what is left behind? Is the Kimijima Kou who set up the reports the same Kimijima Kou we "see" now? Basically, Kimijima is a disembodied consciouness and relies on "robots" (whether machines or people) to do things.

World domination? The entire world a giant robot for Kimijima to inhabit? Someone incomplete, who will never be complete again, because he doesn't understand Aki's speech.

It's incredibly cheesy, but everything in the show - a cardboard face on a robot, robot rebellions, IRO-Q illusions, malfunctioning exoskeletons, Aki's and Kai's conditions - contributes to that theme. It's hard to express, and I'm sure I'm rambling here, but that's about what was going through my mind during and after the speech.

One final question: That parrot! Robot or bird? (I hope, for the sake of the show, that it's a robot.)

Gundamx · 2013-03-10, 02:30

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Originally Posted by Jarmel

You know that makes no sense right? This whole plot is so ridiculous.

Have you watched Chaos;head & Steins;Gate?
(Illusion technology from Chaos;head.)

ronelm2000 · 2013-03-10, 05:18

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Originally Posted by Gundamx

Have you watched Chaos;head & Steins;Gate?
(Illusion technology from Chaos;head.)

It was obvious on what he said that he DIDN'T watch C;H. You know why? Because someone who watched C;H and R;N WOULD say...

"Well at least he didn't give away EVERYTHING without PROPER explanation 3 to 4 episodes into the Climax like C;H. >.> "

desrtsku · 2013-03-14, 11:47

Spoiler for Ep 21:

bastek66 · 2013-03-14, 11:48

Nice

Spoiler for :3:

Algent · 2013-03-14, 16:04

First time in a while a raw (2GB

) is out before French Simulcast. I still waited for it, subs help a lot for me

.

Spoiler for R;N 21:

Kanon · 2013-03-14, 17:22

Spoiler for 21:

AC-Phoenix · 2013-03-14, 17:32

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Originally Posted by ronelm2000

It was obvious on what he said that he DIDN'T watch C;H. You know why? Because someone who watched C;H and R;N WOULD say...

"Well at least he didn't give away EVERYTHING without PROPER explanation 3 to 4 episodes into the Climax like C;H. >.> "

I watched it, it and didn't think that the illusion would come from Chaos;Head either...

jte742 · 2013-03-14, 20:27

Spoiler for episode 21:

ars89 · 2013-03-14, 21:39

Spoiler for ep 21:

Ghanw · 2013-03-14, 21:59

I know this may be a really late but what was Steins Gate Steins number, because if i remember correctly Robotics Notes is in timeline ~1.0436... so is that the same as the Steins Gate timeline? This may have been already gone over as people said they are in the same timeline but i just got back to the anime and dont remember, as i am going to marathon it today.

2013-03-08, 21:58	Link #1122
ars89 One-Eyed Dragon Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NJ, USA	So that's how tings happened. So looking out for Aki and Kai backfired on her. Like how everyone showed up to help, even Subaru's father. Frau's reaction to real Airi was great. Wonder what report 0 says. __________________ My Anime List

2013-03-09, 00:12	Link #1123
Arturia Polaris Good OP Hunter Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Argentina	I knew that Misaki was not the real baddie here. Arty __________________ Arturia's Writing Den My fanfiction works include: Tari Tari: Past and Present, As the Gentle Breeze Blows Little Busters: Bird's Song Sword Art Online: Vanquishing of the Laughing Coffin My own works include: Social Fact

2013-03-09, 01:43	Link #1124
articuzwolf Wolf in Sheep's Clothing Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orange Road Age: 33	one mystery left then where that bunch of monopoles come from? and glad that gejine is not just Kimijima Kou personality took over of Airi personality __________________ Resonance, My Dream!

2013-03-09, 21:33	Link #1129
Eater of All NOM Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Outside the Asylum	Isn't Kimijima controlling Misaki by mindscrewing/threatening her 24-7? No sane person can withstand a harassment like that for more than a few weeks (or days); it's not very easy to oppose someone who can appear anywhere at anytime and spread whatever information he wants. And now that she has the power suit on, she is literally under his direct control. __________________

2013-03-14, 11:47	Link #1133
desrtsku Nympholept Join Date: May 2011 Location: Wonderland. Age: 31	Spoiler for Ep 21: we're finally back to ep 1, kai and Aki finally had a proper talk about everything and ... Spoiler for : kissu (>w>) __________________

2013-03-09, 10:28	Link #1125
blakstealth Les Pays Bass Join Date: Jun 2011	Gotta love it when the troops get rallied lol. So the first few scenes from episode 1 are really gonna happen, it seems. But this is a robot that's gonna actually fight and shit? holy mother, I can't wait for that.

2013-03-09, 22:01	Link #1130
Dawnstorm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Austria	Aki's speech. It's exactly the sort of thing that normally makes me roll my eyes. And the content of it still does, but - surprisingly - during that speech I finally understood the show. She asks Kimijima whether her sister still likes robots, and - after finding out she does - launches into her speech. Robots are our bond. So far, everything as expected, but as she elaborates I start to understand things... The key line: if we treat robots well, they will help us. Put that into the context of "robots are our bonds" and it becomes, if we work together, things will be all right. Cheesy, yes, but that's always been the case with Aki's optimism. Now what does that mean for robots? Remember how Aki insisted that the robot needs a face? I thought that was so silly, but now I get it: the robot's a physical metaphor for what's right between people. It may be clunky and cheesy, the human form may be sub-optimal for combat, but it just has to look like that. Robots aren't people. Robots can only do what we tell them to. But if they look like people, and if we treat them like people, we don't forget our own kindness, and our own bonds. It's been there under my nose all through the series, but I didn't get it. Aki seems far less air-headed and stubborn now. I still roll my eyes at her optimism, and I still cringe at the speech, but I understand her much better now. The real kicker, though, is that this speech occurs at the worst possible moment. You're being threatened with a weapon, and you launch into this speech? Really? So who is it who aims a gun at you? Airi. Controlled by Kimijima. Let me spell it out: Aki launches into a speech about how everything will be all right if we treat robots like people, while Kimijima Kou is treating Airi like a robot. I have to admit that I was disappointed that Kimijima was such a cheesy villain in the end, but he had to be. He'll never get that speech as long as he just controlls other people. It's written deeply into the core of the story. Basically, Aki has an expanded notion of what counts as people (robots - metaphorically - count), while Kimijima has an extended notion of what counts as a robot (people, as long as they serve him). It's brilliant. Oh, and finally: Who is Kou? His body's dead, and the upload was incomplete, yet functional. The question is: what is left behind? Is the Kimijima Kou who set up the reports the same Kimijima Kou we "see" now? Basically, Kimijima is a disembodied consciouness and relies on "robots" (whether machines or people) to do things. World domination? The entire world a giant robot for Kimijima to inhabit? Someone incomplete, who will never be complete again, because he doesn't understand Aki's speech. It's incredibly cheesy, but everything in the show - a cardboard face on a robot, robot rebellions, IRO-Q illusions, malfunctioning exoskeletons, Aki's and Kai's conditions - contributes to that theme. It's hard to express, and I'm sure I'm rambling here, but that's about what was going through my mind during and after the speech. One final question: That parrot! Robot or bird? (I hope, for the sake of the show, that it's a robot.)

2013-03-14, 11:48	Link #1134
bastek66 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	Nice Spoiler for :3:

2013-03-14, 16:04	Link #1135
Algent Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Horizon Age: 34	First time in a while a raw (2GB ) is out before French Simulcast. I still waited for it, subs help a lot for me . Spoiler for R;N 21: Kai obtain a way to slow at will (it still hurt him) Kimijima+Geiji+Armed Drones vs Nae/Kai/Airi Airi point out to the Kimijima AI he doesn't even know why it does this. Geiji make the drones destroy each other (Misaki's thing last episode ?), she is then deleted by Kou. The new "Super Grundprod 1" have Pile Bunkers instead of arms and can walk. Also come with a double cape (What about the "no capes" rule ). Aki bitch (Seriously can't they kill her ? It's one of most useless main char in history) because Kai will probably die of the SlowMo. They don't have 70% chances of dying if the rocket goes into space but she just think of her little peace, oh nice . So they kiss huh :\| , still I laughed at the "this could be a death flag" . Episode end on first scene from episode 1. Next time it's the end.

2013-03-14, 17:22	Link #1136
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Spoiler for 21: Damnit Kai, stop raising death flags! Aki won as expected. Not my first choice (that would have been Frau) but I'm fine with it since I like her a lot as well. Her genkiness is always appreciated. The confession and the long awaited kiss were lovely. Super Gunpro-1 doesn't look all that cool, but what matters is that it can get the job done. And at least it can actually walk properly now. It's finally time to kick ass! In slow motion! __________________

2013-03-14, 20:27	Link #1138
jte742 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Denver Age: 34	Spoiler for episode 21: The moment we've all been expecting - Kai and Aki kiss, after spending a bit of time alone together. I can't say I was surprised at all, but I've been cheering for Aki this whole time, so I'm happy. The others' reactions to seeing them kiss were hilarious as well. Other than that, the scene with Airi confronting Kimijima and Geji was pretty good too. I guess she turned the flying-machine-gun-drone things against each other because she still had some of AI Airi's memories?

2013-03-14, 21:39	Link #1139
ars89 One-Eyed Dragon Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NJ, USA	Spoiler for ep 21: So they now have a seizure inducing device. So Report ) was just to save them from the other Airi's attacks. Nice job of Kai confessing before Aki. Lol Aki said this might set a death flag. Figures the rest of the club saw that. So the laser needs to be in close contact at all times, so can't the Sumeragi just target that to take out Super GunPro-1. __________________ My Anime List

2013-03-14, 21:59	Link #1140
Ghanw (-_-) Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Somewhere	I know this may be a really late but what was Steins Gate Steins number, because if i remember correctly Robotics Notes is in timeline ~1.0436... so is that the same as the Steins Gate timeline? This may have been already gone over as people said they are in the same timeline but i just got back to the anime and dont remember, as i am going to marathon it today.