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10: Amazing... | 1 | 2.78% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 1 | 2.78% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 13 | 36.11% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 7 | 19.44% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 9 | 25.00% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 2 | 5.56% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 2 | 5.56% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 1 | 2.78% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-05-23, 23:41 | Link #63 | |||
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2012-05-24, 00:14 | Link #64 | ||
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However we know that Vagan had declared full scale war on Earth now and if full scale invasion was to happen I say bank run is highly likely than not because real life history tells us so. In fact bank run is happening right now in the Eurozone on something as "tiny" and localized as news of Spain's going into recession. What do you think an all out war on the entire Earth is going to do to the general public? Public panic that would caused the meltdown of the banking system would be guaranteed without a doubt. EDIT: Refer to the concept of Hyperinflation which is usually associated with war time EDIT2: this is what happens when hyperinflation kicks in in RL, everyone trades in gold, not paper money Quote:
You have to switch off your "common sense" economics which is based on peace time when everything "works", however when an all out invasion is happening around you your common sense approach to paper money and credit is completely turned on its head. Gold is the more rational, if not the only choice here. Heck, in the original MSG Char gave Sayla a suitcase of gold bars to try to get her to leave the Whitebase and live a normal life, Char knows his war time economics.
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So no, you can't really use the all-out invasion excuse when, by what we've seen so far, the Vagan's invasion of Earth is much tamer than in previous Gundam series. |
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2012-05-24, 01:57 | Link #66 |
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Sorry for the double post, but I'd rather separate this from my reply to houkoholic:
To the people who think it's better to pay Shanalua with gold coins: After thinking of this some more, I think the issue is whether Shanalua can use those coins directly as payment to a hospital without arousing suspicion. If the answer is yes, then that should be your only defense. No need to go on tangents like the value of gold in times of war. If the answer is no, and she has to trade those coins for other form of currency somewhere else, then the issue of traceability is moot because she will end up with paper or electronic currency anyway when she pays the hospital. In that case, I stand by my point that the Vagans should've just acquired the paper/electronic currency and then give it to Shanalua. Besides, traceability is a petty excuse when plenty of criminals probably store and use their money the same way without worrying about being traced. |
2012-05-24, 12:19 | Link #67 | |
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2012-05-24, 14:55 | Link #68 |
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You guys are looking at this from a law abiding citizen's point of view when you need to look at it from the criminal or in this case traitor's perspective.
Depositing large sums of money that you can't explain without confessing to a crime is playing with fire, and just asking to get caught. That's why criminals spend so much time and effort into money laundering, because dirty money makes 100x easier for the government to catch them. African warlords use diamonds as currency, which the arms dealer or whoever they're paying can then easily convert into cash. I remember in Afghanistan we seized more opium than actual cash most of the time. That was and is the terrorists' main currency. I personally would have asked to be paid in diamonds not gold, but then I would never be dumb enough to betray my country like that.
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2012-05-24, 15:19 | Link #70 | |
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It's not like she wanted money to buy drugs or prostitutes, whom she could pay in cash or, heck, why not? in gold. She wanted treatment at a legit, aboveboard hospital. |
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2012-05-24, 15:35 | Link #71 | |
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That's a heck of a lot harder to prove than if the vagan handler takes the money from a shell company, deposits it on her account and she then swipes her debit card at the hospital.
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2012-05-24, 17:10 | Link #72 | |
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Either way, she still has that big, public expense without a way to explain the source of the money. Giving her gold just gives it more points of failure, but the biggest one remains the hospital. |
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2012-05-24, 19:03 | Link #75 | |
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You should watch the series as they have shown the Vagans have focused their operations on destroying colonies and cities indiscrminately (which Grodeck pointed out, if the Federation was their enemy why didn't they just focus on military targets?) You also must've missed the part where they were leveling the cities and such and blasting civilians left and right. But more to the point, since they are targeting the cities and firing on civilians indiscrimintately, there's no way her sister would be safe in a hospital since they wouldn't be able to evacuate her properly (a military hospital would be even worse). That's why I said early it would've made more sense if they had her sister hostage because I sure as hell wouldn't trust the enemy to fund me money when they've had a history of destroying colonies and cities. |
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History has shown us that when war hits, the banking system most certainly collapses due to public panic and government buying up resources to supply the war effort thus high levels of inflation is absolute - this doesn't need to be shown in the show because it is the inevitable effect of war - war is about destroying resources, when resources becomes scares inflation occurs, there's no other way about it. Quote:
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Again, when during peace times bank runs can happen just due to news of a country *maybe* going into recession, you are claiming that an all out declaration of WAR on public air wave followed by battleships morphing out of thin air and MS popping out from houses and committing mass murder and wiping out entire towns isn't going to cause public panic, okay......
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2012-05-24, 19:44 | Link #77 | |
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All you had to do is grin up the gold coins and trade them as gold dust (pure gold is very soft, so won't be a hard task at all), nobody would know because you won't even be able to check which bank/mint made it from the physical look of the coin. The worth of the gold is still there because it is measured in its weight vs purity only. During public panic time I'm sure that even a doctor would need to eat and you would find one who won't mind taking gold as direct payment because the doctor would have to be adapting to the same economic environment as everyone else.
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2012-05-24, 20:00 | Link #78 | |
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The writers couldn't be arsed to come up with a reason for those attacks on the civilian colonies, but no military spends resources and time on an operation that has no strategic value whatsoever. Other than those instances, they have so far gone after strategic targets like Big Ring, Olivernotes (city next to a federation garrison) and that Jaburo rip-off. All I recall Ezelcant saying was: "my name is Ezelcant leader of Vagan and we're launching a full scale invasion of Earth", not "my name is Ezelcant leader of Vagan and we're going to exterminate you". Do you think a full scale invasion means extermination of a people? we launched full scale invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and we weren't there to exterminate them.
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Of course, I'm very open to the idea that I have missed something in the show. If so, please do point it out to me. |
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