To Aru Majutsu no Index - Character Discussion - Kamijo Touma

[Xenosnake]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

In the novels in the part where Touma collapses he does punch Kanzaki in the face after telling her how useless are both Stiyl and her.

And that's where she started liking him. When you help/punch a woman, you expect love.

[outerelf]

Originally Posted by Soul Assassin

And with that reaction of his... I'd like to think that he got used to it that he doesn't even care about it anymore.

Apart from Tsuchimikado and Aogami, I really think Touma needs someone who can be defined as a BRO.

Yeah, a BRO as in BROFIST.

I disagree with him not caring about it any more- he just doesn't have the background to care properly. If someone were to call you a monster, you'd be mad! And he does get mad, though he drops it remarkably quickly.

But I do think Touma needs a Bro.

[Hell_ping]

Here's a little thought

Touma's Imagine Breaker :

1) Grants protection from supernatural attacks.
2) Cancels his own luck
3) (Used to) gives bad luck to other people.
4) Adds on to his harem by helping other girls (well, most of the time, and seems to only affect young ones.)
5) Makes girls sympathetic to him (with only Seiri as the exception.)
6) Grants any man that he punched out a girlfriend (Izzard doesn't count because Touma's arm got cut off. Saiji doesn't because he was rammed in)
7) Grants an auto-immunity to death in combat.
8) Has a 100% chance of converting someone (partly because of the speech as well, and let's see what happens to Fiamma.)
9) Makes the guys he punched out hot-blooded.
10) Can't think of the last one...

[Chaos2Frozen]

So... In the grand scheme of things, what could Imagine Breaker's true power be ?

Jokes aside I'm very interested with point 7- especially after Lessar's monologue during Accelerator vs Touma Round 2 - Black Wings vs Imagine Breaker. After so many near death and impossibly lucky close call, is there actually a reason for Touma's never say die that the author would address? I certainly hope it's not strong will...

EDIT:

Also, I've been thinking about what Accelerator have speculated and here are my thoughts- What if Touma's Brain is actually on par with Accelerator's? The only difference is that he isn't aware that his Brain has been subconsciously making all this precise calculations of speed, time and distance during his fights resulting in his insane reflexes to block lightning, while Accelerator was more than aware of what he's capable of. Remember that Touma isn't exactly stupid, he just doesn't have Esper powers.

There's one fight scene that I'm curious about, and that's the hijack scene on the plane to Britain, how did Touma take out those terrorists?

[Karna]

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Speaking of which...

Lol Aogami.

Originally Posted by Soul Assassin

Apart from Tsuchimikado and Aogami, I really think Touma needs someone who can be defined as a BRO.

What's wrong with Tsuchimikado and Aogami as bro's?

[Hooves]

7) Grants an auto-immunity to death in combat.

I may be wrong, but wasnt that the frog-faced doctor that always brought him out of his near-death state? Or do you mean that the Imagine Breaker can keep Touma alive long enough to get to the doctor?

[outerelf]

Originally Posted by Hooves

I may be wrong, but wasnt that the frog-faced doctor that always brought him out of his near-death state? Or do you mean that the Imagine Breaker can keep Touma alive long enough to get to the doctor?

It definitely managed to keep him alive. He should've been dead from blood loss after about ten minutes. Stiyl might've managed to kept him alive for a short time, but not that long really...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Not only that,

Spoiler for Vol 20:

Accelerator stated how each of those Black Wings have enough force to kill a human even if they didn't impact directly, shockwave and everything, and yet Touma still survived.

[Hell_ping]

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

7) Grants an auto-immunity to death in combat.

Actually, since looking at the current scenario, neither Touma nor the people he punched out died, so I'm half-joking about this.

But honestly, there are tons of situations that he could have died in. Not to mention that with his Imagine Breaker cancelling his luck, he might have been dead if due to bad luck, he got into an accident or something.

[reaper with no name]

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Actually, since looking at the current scenario, neither Touma nor the people he punched out died, so I'm half-joking about this.

But honestly, there are tons of situations that he could have died in. Not to mention that with his Imagine Breaker cancelling his luck, he might have been dead if due to bad luck, he got into an accident or something.

Didn't they say in the anime that it just nullifies his good luck? Technically, that's not the same as bringing bad luck.

But even if I'm wrong and it does bring him bad luck, it doesn't mean it brings him luck that bad!

[Hell_ping]

The basis I'm assuming all these is because there isn't a complete explanation of how IB works. Index only speculated that it cancels his good luck, and I'm also speculating all these here, half-jokingly of course.

[Hooves]

If IB does cancel out his good luck, and give him bad luck, it would explain his misfortunes

[tsunade666]

imagine breaker doesn't give him bad luck. It only cancels god's blessing or luck. So his in neutral stand. Not lucky and unlucky. Though he often tends to be unlucky but sometimes super lucky.

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

imagine breaker doesn't give him bad luck. It only cancels god's blessing or luck. So his in neutral stand. Not lucky and unlucky. Though he often tends to be unlucky but sometimes super lucky.

Oh so those misfortunes that befall him are just coincidences

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Not only that,

Spoiler for Vol 20:

Accelerator stated how each of those Black Wings have enough force to kill a human even if they didn't impact directly, shockwave and everything, and yet Touma still survived.

Wasn't that due to IB's nullifying effect? I'm sure if someone took a sniper rifle to him, he would still die....

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Wasn't that due to IB's nullifying effect? I'm sure if someone took a sniper rifle to him, he would still die....

Spoiler for vol 20:

Touma wasn't able to nullify all of those wings, plus they were impacting the ground relatively close to him. If each wings were as powerful as Accelerator claims (Maybe like a missile? Seeing as how he was able to cause that much damage to the terrain) it would still be enough to turn his insides into soup from the shockwave alone.

Lessar also questioned if there's more to how Touma could have survived that attack... Which seems to me that the Author is strongly hinting of more than just blocking supernatural powers.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Touma wasn't able to nullify all of those wings, plus they were impacting the ground relatively close to him. If each wings were as powerful as Accelerator claims (Maybe like a missile? Seeing as how he was able to cause that much damage to the terrain) it would still be enough to turn his insides into soup from the shockwave alone.

He could touch them with no effect.....any normal human would be atomized on contact from the sheer force alone.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

He could touch them with no effect.....any normal human would be atomized on contact from the sheer force alone.

Spoiler for vol 20:

Yes, but that was still just one wing, what about the other 99? If they were enough to crush a human upon impact, it still doesn't make their shockwave any less dangerous which was what Accelerator pointed out.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Yes, but that was still just one wing, what about the other 99? If they were enough to crush a human upon impact, it still doesn't make their shockwave any less dangerous which was what Accelerator pointed out.

No....I mean if he can hold a wing, why wouldn't it make sense for the shockwave not affecting him? After all, IB has protected him from large area effect attacks before (Dragon's Breath, Misaka's lightning, Curtana Original's dimension cutter etc) all those wings headed towards him is just another large area effect attack.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

No....I mean if he can hold a wing, why wouldn't it make sense for the shockwave not affecting him? After all, IB has protected him from large area effect attacks before (Dragon's Breath, Misaka's lightning, Curtana Original's dimension cutter etc) all those wings headed towards him is just another large area effect attack.

Depends on whether you want to count them as side effects of the Esper powers, or the physical result of the powers (I suppose there's a difference).

Somewhere it was mention that Imagine Breaker could negate Stiyl's magic flames, but couldn't remove the ashes it creates. And how the Feathers were the side effects of Dragon's Breath, while blowing stuff up was the physical result.

I would like to think that any shockwaves produce are the latter.

But of course, theories theories... I normally wouldn't bring this up, but I feel that the Author was trying to address these problems (Hence Accelerator's explaination of Touma blocking Mikoto's attacks) and so I thought it would be interesting to discuss alternate possibilities.