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Chaos2Frozen · 2013-05-18, 05:13

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Originally Posted by NeutralZero

Just saw ep 7...
man...
Hayama sure is nice...
so nice that we like to 'nicely' dump him in a drum, filled it with cement and throw it at the bottom of the sea...
His intentions might be good as per say but his methods lacks tact...
He's either clueless or just a hypocrite...

Hayama does things 'by the book'.

He is the protagonist they don't need right now.

Tenzen12 · 2013-05-18, 05:15

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Originally Posted by NeutralZero

Just saw ep 7...
man...
Hayama sure is nice...
so nice that we like to 'nicely' dump him in a drum, filled it with cement and throw it at the bottom of the sea..
His intentions might be good as per say but his methods lacks tact...
He's either clueless or just a hypocrite...

Probably both. But I would say his eagerness to help Rumi might very well originate from his and Yukinos backstory.

jeroz · 2013-05-18, 05:31

whoa, what's with the offensive?

Why do you have to put down on the guy?

Tenzen12 · 2013-05-18, 06:15

Right there is nothing wrong with bit of hypocrisy (I meant it) if nothig else Hayato doing his best, which is commendable.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-05-18, 06:21

*shrugged*

He's just not the right guy for the job, thats a matter of fact as we saw in this episode.

Ridwan · 2013-05-18, 06:24

I'm just enjoying all this. *popcorn*

AC-Phoenix · 2013-05-18, 06:25

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Originally Posted by jeroz

whoa, what's with the offensive?

Why do you have to put down on the guy?

I guess they do it cause his actions caused a lot more pain for Rumi than if he'd done nothing at all.
While not as obvious he tries the same thing with Hachiman too, which is probably one of the reasons he dislikes hayama.

RRW · 2013-05-18, 06:28

I dont understand what happens here but

*grab the popcorn*

just my 2 cent. I am loner person by default but I do what I can to help people and gain some social activities. as long is not very complicated.

I dont see the reason for being loner forever. human need interaction.

Gundamx · 2013-05-18, 06:36

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Originally Posted by RRW

I dont understand what happens here but

*grab the popcorn*

just my 2 cent. I am loner person by default but I do what I can to help people and gain some social activities. as long is not very complicated.

I dont see the reason for being loner forever. human need interaction.

that was shizuka point to hikigaya & yukino > you don't need to be their friends but you need to know how to interaction with them

since when you go out in real world(after school) you can't just ignore other people or talking harshly to them

RRW · 2013-05-18, 06:40

yeah. even lonely wolf or bear have some interaction

Eratas123 · 2013-05-18, 06:43

Hayama is a nice guy, but he's not one to risk himself "disrupting the status quo". Based on Yukino's jabs at him, it seems like the same thing that happened to Rumi happened to her and Hayama didn't help her/didn't do enough because of the status quo. This happens a lot in grade school and high school: People are willing to help, so long as it doesn't put them in danger of being ostracized themselves.

NeutralZero · 2013-05-18, 06:49

Well as we say 'It's better to do nothing than to do things half bake'

Loners rarely like to be the center of attention or be in the spotlight...
If they do it on their own volition that's fine...
But if others do it for them without their consent or consideration of their feelings then that's not acceptable...
Apparently that's Hayama right now...

backbone · 2013-05-18, 07:23

I think Hayama's personality is only suitable to deal with normal people and not the "outsider" ones. Although i myself admit to have a disdain towards busybodies who butt in uninvited into other person's territory, i simply can't blame Hayama for that. He's doing what he can do out of sincerity and, well, from my perspective it's much better than do nothing at all.

On another note, i somehow felt bitter inside upon hearing Yukino's explanation that Yui also seemingly have gone through the similar phase as Rumi during her childhood

NeutralZero · 2013-05-18, 07:39

True that it's better to do something than nothing at all but doing things half bake is like
a mayor in order to help his people cross point A to point B without going around to point C which is farther. The mayor build a bride connecting point A and B but the materials used are made from old creaky wood and thin ropes. End result, those who cross fell and got hurt...
Doing things half bake will never yield a good result instead losses are far greater than not doing anything at all...

Gundamx · 2013-05-18, 07:51

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Originally Posted by NeutralZero

True that it's better to do something than nothing at all but doing things half bake is like
a mayor in order to help his people cross point A to point B without going around to point C which is farther. The mayor build a bride connecting point A and B but the materials used are made from old creaky wood and thin ropes. End result, those who cross fell and got hurt...
Doing things half bake will never yield a good result instead losses are far greater than not doing anything at all...

the problem is that from his opint of view is that he is not doing it half bake
the problem is he is from inner circle > what he think is simple is not for people from outer circle

bee queen said just go and talk >>> simple for inner circle //
same as hayama plan > create atmosphere where she can talk with them by invite her to search with them

erdii · 2013-05-18, 07:59

I had a classmate who was like Miura back in highschool who almost ruined my first year at highschool. somehow ı don't want that girl to be happy and feel like thanking Yukino for making her cry. does that make a bad person ?

NeutralZero · 2013-05-18, 08:04

In a way yes... in that certain aspect not wanting that B to have her happiness... but as a whole individual no...
Too Ebina's screen time is far too short...

Eratas123 · 2013-05-18, 08:25

I can concur. As a former loner myself, I preferred to keep to myself and absolutely hated it when I had to be the focus. One of the sociable 'nice guys' in the class thought it would be a good idea to 'break me out of my shell' and introduced me to the other sociable 'pack' on class. End result? I ended up being dragged around by said pack and most of the time I wasn't even given a choice. It wasn't fun, no matter how many times they laughed.

The problem tends to be the 'He/She's a loner! There must be something wrong with them! We should fix it!' view many nice guys/gals have, which isn't exactly true. It could apply sometimes, but at other times loners prefer to be alone by choice simply because they can't or don't want to relate to their peers antics. Dragging them around and forcing them to acclimate gets negative consequences.

Gundamx · 2013-05-18, 08:34

in hikigaya case = yes he is loner
but that child is not loner by her choice like him

Von Himmel · 2013-05-18, 08:50

Speaking of which, the ED is out. Dunno whether it's leak or not though..

There's Yukinon side in the album but it's more like the original song without Yui in it rather than Yukinon singing the whole song. Here I was hoping for Yukino ballad version too

2013-05-18, 05:31	Link #1063
jeroz Art Block Specialist Join Date: Jun 2007	whoa, what's with the offensive? Why do you have to put down on the guy? __________________ [TAC]

2013-05-18, 06:21	Link #1065
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	shrugged He's just not the right guy for the job, thats a matter of fact as we saw in this episode. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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Ridwan Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: قلوب المؤمنين	I'm just enjoying all this. popcorn __________________

2013-05-18, 06:43	Link #1071
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Hayama is a nice guy, but he's not one to risk himself "disrupting the status quo". Based on Yukino's jabs at him, it seems like the same thing that happened to Rumi happened to her and Hayama didn't help her/didn't do enough because of the status quo. This happens a lot in grade school and high school: People are willing to help, so long as it doesn't put them in danger of being ostracized themselves. __________________

2013-05-18, 07:59	Link #1076
erdii Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Turkey	I had a classmate who was like Miura back in highschool who almost ruined my first year at highschool. somehow ı don't want that girl to be happy and feel like thanking Yukino for making her cry. does that make a bad person ? __________________

2013-05-18, 06:15	Link #1064
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Right there is nothing wrong with bit of hypocrisy (I meant it) if nothig else Hayato doing his best, which is commendable.

2013-05-18, 06:49	Link #1072
NeutralZero Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Earth	Well as we say 'It's better to do nothing than to do things half bake' Loners rarely like to be the center of attention or be in the spotlight... If they do it on their own volition that's fine... But if others do it for them without their consent or consideration of their feelings then that's not acceptable... Apparently that's Hayama right now...

2013-05-18, 07:23	Link #1073
backbone Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: East Asia Age: 31	I think Hayama's personality is only suitable to deal with normal people and not the "outsider" ones. Although i myself admit to have a disdain towards busybodies who butt in uninvited into other person's territory, i simply can't blame Hayama for that. He's doing what he can do out of sincerity and, well, from my perspective it's much better than do nothing at all. On another note, i somehow felt bitter inside upon hearing Yukino's explanation that Yui also seemingly have gone through the similar phase as Rumi during her childhood

2013-05-18, 07:39	Link #1074
NeutralZero Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Earth	True that it's better to do something than nothing at all but doing things half bake is like a mayor in order to help his people cross point A to point B without going around to point C which is farther. The mayor build a bride connecting point A and B but the materials used are made from old creaky wood and thin ropes. End result, those who cross fell and got hurt... Doing things half bake will never yield a good result instead losses are far greater than not doing anything at all...

2013-05-18, 08:04	Link #1077
NeutralZero Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Earth	In a way yes... in that certain aspect not wanting that B to have her happiness... but as a whole individual no... Too Ebina's screen time is far too short...

2013-05-18, 08:25	Link #1078
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	I can concur. As a former loner myself, I preferred to keep to myself and absolutely hated it when I had to be the focus. One of the sociable 'nice guys' in the class thought it would be a good idea to 'break me out of my shell' and introduced me to the other sociable 'pack' on class. End result? I ended up being dragged around by said pack and most of the time I wasn't even given a choice. It wasn't fun, no matter how many times they laughed. The problem tends to be the 'He/She's a loner! There must be something wrong with them! We should fix it!' view many nice guys/gals have, which isn't exactly true. It could apply sometimes, but at other times loners prefer to be alone by choice simply because they can't or don't want to relate to their peers antics. Dragging them around and forcing them to acclimate gets negative consequences. __________________

2013-05-18, 08:34	Link #1079
Gundamx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	in hikigaya case = yes he is loner but that child is not loner by her choice like him

2013-05-18, 08:50	Link #1080
Von Himmel エーレンフェストの聖女 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dollars	Speaking of which, the ED is out. Dunno whether it's leak or not though.. There's Yukinon side in the album but it's more like the original song without Yui in it rather than Yukinon singing the whole song. Here I was hoping for Yukino ballad version too __________________ 「何かが起こっても、わたくしが守ります」