Code Geass (Generic discussion thread)

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

I actually liked Nunnally's poem. LOL, maybe I didn't do it enough justice? The bit about cherishing everything dearly. Yes, C.C.'s poem is almost dark, which is why I can see how some 2chers are complaining.

Haha, i did not say that i did not like it. xD
It is just, i don't know, Kallen's poem unexpectedly touched me the most among the rest, maybe because it was not focused only on her love for Lelouch, but had the part about her life-discarding at some point. {though that had relevance to Lelouch as well but still..} Family-bonds usually touch me more than romantic ones, but this time, ah, Nunally failed i guess? Or Kallen's was so much emotional. I don;t know how to explain it. {maybe it was the fact it was posted first, idk}

C.C's is a bit dark, i will admit that. It is like, sadistic and yet not. It is peculiar, i mean, till we get full translation with all the lines {not that i imply you have not done a great work, thanks a bunch again} i might have to hold my opinion about it.

btw, Shirley's is about romance, shouldn't that technically get posted in the romance thread? Just so there are no "biased" labels. Kallen's might have been more explicit for.. well the reasons that were posted, feel no need to re-post them, but still, Shirley's is about it as well.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by incorrupts

btw, Shirley's is about romance, shouldn't that technically get posted in the romance thread? Just so there are no "biased" labels. Kallen's might have been more explicit for.. well the reasons that were posted, feel no need to re-post them, but still, Shirley's is about it as well.

Leave it to moi

[blottyparchment]

Originally Posted by incorrupts

C.C's is a bit dark, i will admit that. It is like, sadistic and yet not. It is peculiar, i mean, till we get full translation with all the lines {not that i imply you have not done a great work, thanks a bunch again} i might have to hold my opinion about it.

btw, Shirley's is about romance, shouldn't that technically get posted in the romance thread? Just so there are no "biased" labels. Kallen's might have been more explicit for.. well the reasons that were posted, feel no need to re-post them, but still, Shirley's is about it as well.

LOL. As I've said, even C.C.'s poem is being difficult with me and it had to be the first poem I tackled after Kallen's. It might be good to see other people's takes on the poem, but we have to wait a bit more until the scans get posted.

Go ahead, copypasta Shirley's poem and you might as well throw in Nunnally's, since it takes the cake for line-enders ("I love you.").

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

LOL. As I've said, even C.C.'s poem is being difficult with me and it had to be the first poem I tackled after Kallen's. It might be good to see other people's takes on the poem, but we have to wait a bit more until the scans get posted.

Well, it IS C.C afterall, she has the weirdest and most philosophical monologues during the series, her poem would be no different, that is for sure.
I like a lot the title of her poem btw.

[azul120]

Which LJ has Rolo's poem translated?

[Nogitsune]

Omg, I love the poems. q.q

*hugs Suzaku* I especially like the "because you are crude" part. They are just so... aw!
And the title of C.C.'s one... *gives her a hug, too*

Thanks for sharing. *-*

[Narona]

Originally Posted by incorrupts

I like a lot the title of her poem btw.

Same here. I LOVE the title

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

More poems from the Complete Best. These translations are still far from perfect, but feel free to point out any odd lines you might find. I am still revising them. I can't provide scans just yet, as I'm still asking permission from pink-chan. Thanks pink-chan.

Pink-chan did Suzaku's poem. I only modified it a bit.

Spoiler for World End - Suzaku:

World End - Suzaku

The Emperor intended to end the world through supernatural powers. It is ironic that we, who stopped him, let the world end in another form.

Lelouch, can you hear me in the World of C?

A new world is born from the ruins of the world we destroyed.
The stagnant world comes to a stop,
and here is the world that continues to change.
The world we obtained at the cost of our lives.

It's a mystery.
I myself have become a villain to bring about peace.
I did it for Japan's sake.
Protecting Nunnally. That is something you would do.

It's a strange thing.
If there were no lies between us from the first moment up to the last, our days at school would have been the happiest.

I can no longer cry, no longer laugh and yet,
I think that the time will come when nobody will quarrel nor will they cry and scream.
But it's not that simple. (2)
Somewhere, someone is lamenting, no doubt. Because of that, the conflicts will continue.

I think it's fine like that.
To want to stop the crying.
For that sake, you fight, that is, for a gentle world.　(3)
And because you are crude, you call it a "Rebellion".

Lelouch, do the winds from the ever changing world reach you too?

(1) The exact Japanese line is: From the ruins of the world we destroyed, a new world is born.
(2) The exact line in Japanese says something like, 'It won't do' or 'It cannot be so'.
(3) Exact line: For that sake, you fight. That is, a gentle world.

Spoiler for O2 - Shirley:

O2 - Shirley

Morning and night, I have always thought of you.
It's mysterious.
Even though that memory should have been taken by you.
There was a stirring in my chest that keeps reverberating.
Without knowing, I would come back to the same place.

When my memories returned, I was dreadfully frightened.

You making lies all the time, I have thought that I detested it.
But, I realized. You were protecting me.

A gentle lie.
A gentle geass.

I know. You have stripped yourself of kindness.
Given it to others.
And then, you continued to fight on your own.
That's why, I alone thought of wanting to protect you, Lulu.

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands. (1)

No matter how many times I am reborn, I will definitely fall in love with you, Lulu. (2)
Even if the world may rot away, that much will not change.

(1) The exact words used are 'surechigau' - something like, so 'near yet so far'; missing each other on the way; one turns left, the other turns right
(2) suki ni naru

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands.
This line took me a while to figure out. See if I'm right in this line of thinking: Glass=slippery. Shirley is trying to catch up to Lelouch but she keeps slipping down that slope. And when she does catch up, he's already gone.

There's also another version of that line I considered, which is more close to the original Japanese text:
Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, we only passed by each other.

Just wanted to point out that the beginning of Shirley's poem starts with 'asa mo yoru mo...' just like the song, O2.

Spoiler for Mosaic Kakera - Nunnally:

Mosaic Kakera - Nunnally

I have been thinking about the many things that you have given me.

They can't be counted on my fingers,
for each and every one that I count, a stone is left.
Lining them up, the stones can be pieced together into a mosaic.
But, I will not do that.
I don't want to. (1)
I will continue to count them piece by piece, always remembering their shape, their color and their touch. (2)

Even these dreams, that kindness, our rendezvous, those lies, mistakes....
Even that voice, the warmth in those hands that grasped mine, even the loneliness, the twistedness, the pain in my chest.
Even that silence.
Even those eyes.

Everything, I will hold dear.

Even if you had not given me many things,
I could not give you anything in return.
You gave me everyhing and you ended up leaving.

In those happy days,
we did not even say "Thank you" nor "I'm sorry" between us.
Those words would only invoke sadness. Your heart would grow far away.
Just like that, you were myself, and I was you.

However, that day,
the words you have told me still remains in my ears.
You didn't even let me reply.
That's why, while hearing your voice ringing in my ear, I will answer you from the bottom of my heart.

I love you too. (3)

(1) Lit.: I do not want to bring them (stones) together.
(1) Lit.: One by one, I will continue to count them; their shape, color, and touch, I will continue to feel throughout.
(1) Breaken up into two sentences in the original japanese: Aishiteru. Anata wo. (I love. You.)

This poem sounds creepily incestuous. And for those who are wondering, Nunnally doesn't use oniisama or 'Lelouch' anywhere in the poem. She addresses Lelouch anata 'you' all throughout. It's almost in the tone of a woman adressing a dearly beloved man, arguably a lover.

The line about 'piecing together a mosaic' seems to have been inspired by the song, Mosaic Kakera, itself.

Spoiler for Waga Routashi Aku no Hana - C.C.:

Waga Routashi Aku no Hana (My Beautifully Elegant Flower of Evil) - C.C.

From the entire beginning, I should have warned you.
That the power of the king would isolate you.
You will lose your friends, become different from your childhood friend, and you will be betrayed by the Emperor.

Your parents will vanish from your sight, your siblings will disappear like dew.

Yes, it's terribly burdensome.
And pitiful.

Now, your sole companion is solitude.
There is nobody who will embrace you, who has been smeared in blood.
Rocks have been pelted at you by many,
and as retribution, you trampled over them.
At that time, nobody noticed that the shriek that was secretly welling up inside your heart.

Yes, it's pitiful.
Seeing that visage, my wounds often throbbed.
Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely. (?)
As the pain kept stabbing your tender heart,
why does this feeling of solitude gradually heal?

The whole world is pelting rocks at you, showering you with insults.
That is something the I have experienced from this world.

Without realizing, you have shared me in my solitude.
Without knowing, you shouldered my sins.

It's as if you are a poisonous amaryllis blooming from the ground.
Only I know of its elegence.

The only line I am really unsure of is,
'Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely.'
(今、私は、いたいたしすぎるがゆえに愛しい。)

Anyone here who can help me?

C.C.'s poem is quite cryptic and as dec said, deep. Some 2chers get the idea that C.C. is indirectly referring to Lelouch as 'My Lelouch' because C.C. refers to Lelouch as an elegent flower = My Elegant Flower of Evil = My Lelouch. Also, some 2chers are unsatisfied with her poem for certain reasons.

Rolo's poem has already been translated on lj. Other poems like Kaguya's, Charles-V.V.'s, and Milly-Rivalz' are soon to follow.

Thanks a lot to you and Miss Pink-chan . Still can't rep you at the moment though. Well, as you said, Nunnally's poem sounds incestuous . Well... I should not be surprised since Lelouch also "loved" Euphie <_<

>_>

I also love Suzaku and C.C.'s poems . There was also a Rivalz and Milly's poem, no ? I chuckled when I read that (IIRC) "they hope lelouch is still alive, somewhere" XD.

Suzaku also seems to say that the dead people go to the world of C. So World of C is the afterlife after all?

I posted the line from C.C.'s poem there: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...82#post2165882

I didn't know there was such a thread on AS. Gonna post some other sentences from code geass materials there

[Pink-chan]

I had just added in scans Ms Blotty had translated for us. Thank you Ms Blotty!

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

More poems from the Complete Best. These translations are still far from perfect, but feel free to point out any odd lines you might find. I am still revising them. I can't provide scans just yet, as I'm still asking permission from pink-chan. Thanks pink-chan.

Pink-chan did Suzaku's poem. I only modified it a bit.

Spoiler for World End - Suzaku:

World End - Suzaku


The Emperor intended to end the world through supernatural powers. It is ironic that we, who stopped him, let the world end in another form.

Lelouch, can you hear me in the World of C?

A new world is born from the ruins of the world we destroyed.
The stagnant world comes to a stop,
and here is the world that continues to change.
The world we obtained at the cost of our lives.

It's a mystery.
I myself have become a villain to bring about peace.
I did it for Japan's sake.
Protecting Nunnally. That is something you would do.

It's a strange thing.
If there were no lies between us from the first moment up to the last, our days at school would have been the happiest.

I can no longer cry, no longer laugh and yet,
I think that the time will come when nobody will quarrel nor will they cry and scream.
But it's not that simple. (2)
Somewhere, someone is lamenting, no doubt. Because of that, the conflicts will continue.

I think it's fine like that.
To want to stop the crying.
For that sake, you fight, that is, for a gentle world.　(3)
And because you are crude, you call it a "Rebellion".

Lelouch, do the winds from the ever changing world reach you too?

(1) The exact Japanese line is: From the ruins of the world we destroyed, a new world is born.
(2) The exact line in Japanese says something like, 'It won't do' or 'It cannot be so'.
(3) Exact line: For that sake, you fight. That is, a gentle world.

Spoiler for O2 - Shirley:

O2 - Shirley


Morning and night, I have always thought of you.
It's mysterious.
Even though that memory should have been taken by you.
There was a stirring in my chest that keeps reverberating.
Without knowing, I would come back to the same place.

When my memories returned, I was dreadfully frightened.

You making lies all the time, I have thought that I detested it.
But, I realized. You were protecting me.

A gentle lie.
A gentle geass.

I know. You have stripped yourself of kindness.
Given it to others.
And then, you continued to fight on your own.
That's why, I alone thought of wanting to protect you, Lulu.

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands. (1)

No matter how many times I am reborn, I will definitely fall in love with you, Lulu. (2)
Even if the world may rot away, that much will not change.

(1) The exact words used are 'surechigau' - something like, so 'near yet so far'; missing each other on the way; one turns left, the other turns right
(2) suki ni naru

Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands.
This line took me a while to figure out. See if I'm right in this line of thinking: Glass=slippery. Shirley is trying to catch up to Lelouch but she keeps slipping down that slope. And when she does catch up, he's already gone.

There's also another version of that line I considered, which is more close to the original Japanese text:
Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, we only passed by each other.

Just wanted to point out that the beginning of Shirley's poem starts with 'asa mo yoru mo...' just like the song, O2.

Spoiler for Mosaic Kakera - Nunnally:

Mosaic Kakera - Nunnally


I have been thinking about the many things that you have given me.

They can't be counted on my fingers,
for each and every one that I count, a stone is left.
Lining them up, the stones can be pieced together into a mosaic.
But, I will not do that.
I don't want to. (1)
I will continue to count them piece by piece, always remembering their shape, their color and their touch. (2)

Even these dreams, that kindness, our rendezvous, those lies, mistakes....
Even that voice, the warmth in those hands that grasped mine, even the loneliness, the twistedness, the pain in my chest.
Even that silence.
Even those eyes.

Everything, I will hold dear.

Even if you had not given me many things,
I could not give you anything in return.
You gave me everyhing and you ended up leaving.

In those happy days,
we did not even say "Thank you" nor "I'm sorry" between us.
Those words would only invoke sadness. Your heart would grow far away.
Just like that, you were myself, and I was you.

However, that day,
the words you have told me still remains in my ears.
You didn't even let me reply.
That's why, while hearing your voice ringing in my ear, I will answer you from the bottom of my heart.

I love you too. (3)

(1) Lit.: I do not want to bring them (stones) together.
(1) Lit.: One by one, I will continue to count them; their shape, color, and touch, I will continue to feel throughout.
(1) Breaken up into two sentences in the original japanese: Aishiteru. Anata wo. (I love. You.)

This poem sounds creepily incestuous. And for those who are wondering, Nunnally doesn't use oniisama or 'Lelouch' anywhere in the poem. She addresses Lelouch anata 'you' all throughout. It's almost in the tone of a woman adressing a dearly beloved man, arguably a lover.

The line about 'piecing together a mosaic' seems to have been inspired by the song, Mosaic Kakera, itself.

Spoiler for Waga Routashi Aku no Hana - C.C.:

Waga Routashi Aku no Hana (My Beautifully Elegant Flower of Evil) - C.C.


From the entire beginning, I should have warned you.
That the power of the king would isolate you.
You will lose your friends, become different from your childhood friend, and you will be betrayed by the Emperor.

Your parents will vanish from your sight, your siblings will disappear like dew.

Yes, it's terribly burdensome.
And pitiful.

Now, your sole companion is solitude.
There is nobody who will embrace you, who has been smeared in blood.
Rocks have been pelted at you by many,
and as retribution, you trampled over them.
At that time, nobody noticed that the shriek that was secretly welling up inside your heart.

Yes, it's pitiful.
Seeing that visage, my wounds often throbbed.
Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely. (?)
As the pain kept stabbing your tender heart,
why does this feeling of solitude gradually heal?

The whole world is pelting rocks at you, showering you with insults.
That is something the I have experienced from this world.

Without realizing, you have shared me in my solitude.
Without knowing, you shouldered my sins.

It's as if you are a poisonous amaryllis blooming from the ground.
Only I know of its elegence.

The only line I am really unsure of is,
'Now, I am too pitiful. But therefore, I am lovely.'
(今、私は、いたいたしすぎるがゆえに愛しい。)

Anyone here who can help me?

C.C.'s poem is quite cryptic and as dec said, deep. Some 2chers get the idea that C.C. is indirectly referring to Lelouch as 'My Lelouch' because C.C. refers to Lelouch as an elegent flower = My Elegant Flower of Evil = My Lelouch. Also, some 2chers are unsatisfied with her poem for certain reasons.

Rolo's poem has already been translated on lj. Other poems like Kaguya's, Charles-V.V.'s, and Milly-Rivalz' are soon to follow.

[Lolipopo]

Hmm I didn't really saw Nunally's poem as incestuous, it gave me more of a feeling of a mature Nunally; She seems to have really grown up in this poem and is no more talking to Lelouch as his sweet and little sister; More as his sister who had to path through really hard moments.

That's why I think her love for him seems there more mature, I don't feel this as somthing incestuous. It's a really beautiful poem anyway, it really makes me crave for a last Kallen/Nunnally interaction in the last PD.

About CC's one I don't feel it as sadistic, more as a way to show us how Lelouch heals her without she really noticed that. Thus the "she felts better while his wounds were deeper"; Though in a way, to be happy to see him sharing her loneliness while it hurts him can be seen as kinda twisted. But well I don't think the point was really there.
Nice poem but I'm kinda disappointed, I was hoping for something better, or more emotional. (In a way where she could have spoke about what he gave to her, for the future, I would have liked it)

Shirley's well...sad. Like I said in the romance thread, this line "Somehow, it's like trying to climb glass. Until the end, you only ended up slipping through my hands." as always been my feeling about Shirley/Lulu so I'm even more touched by the line since it was the feeling I get. But well it's even more sad.

Suzaku's one is nice too, even if like CC's I was maybe waiting for something deeper who really talked about him, but it's still fine like that. The "no longer cry" reminds me someone, and the poem gives me a really nice Athrun/Kira vibes.

BTW the choice of the pics took my attention; I can't help but think it doesn't fit very well with the poems; But that's maybe because I first saw Kallen's one which was sad and fit with her frail and closed face.

It seems those are finally more of pics to reminds the start of CG finally. A sort of contrast with those ending poems.

Kallen and Nunally's = Favorite. Though the famous Shirley's line made me really like the thing, Those two really touch me, maybe because Kallen is my favourite character and I loved those sad thoughts about her past (Shame on you CG staff for have never explained her BG >_<) as well as the whole thing about Lelouch and because I loved how Nunally was expressing her love in such a mature way. Anyway those two are awesome.
As usual, Thanks for your work Blotty.

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

About CC's one I don't feel it as sadistic, more as a way to show us how Lelouch heals her without she really noticed that. Thus the "she felts better while his wounds were deeper"; Though in a way, to be happy to see him sharing her loneliness while it hurts him can be seen as kinda twisted. But well I don't think the point was really there.
Nice poem but I'm kinda disappointed, I was hoping for something better, or more emotional. (In a way where she could have spoke about what he gave to her, for the future, I would have liked it)

It is twisted. And it is on character to be like this, i mean, afterall, C.C is not a "normal" person. She has been treated like witch in the past and has being going on for decades experiencing solitude and loneliness.
So, seeing Lelouch suffering, is healing for her, for the reasons she states on the poem. On one hand, the "human-ish", this can be seen as bad and sadistic.

On the other hand, the not-so-human-ish, taking into account C.C's past and stuff, and i think this is the point of the whole "twisted" concept i mentioned, is that she found a "companion" to share this suffering and burden. Someone equal. And i also think, this is the theme of C.CxLelouch relationship as well. From both sides.

Btw, i just saw the pictures, i can't say i really like the choice for most of them. Kallen's was certainly the best one, captivated the bitterness of her poem. The other ones, are kinda, out of it, if i can say this.

[Narona]

I had a little discussion with someone on MSN, about Suzaku's poem.

So I also ask the question here: What do you think the World of C is?

Is it how they call the afterlife in Code Geass? Or only the people in relation to Geass go there?

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

Originally Posted by Narona

I had a little discussion with someone on MSN, about Suzaku's poem.

So I also ask the question here: What do you think the World of C is?

Is it how they call the afterlife in Code Geass? Or only the people in relation to Geass go there?

Well since the show ended I've been thinking of it as a realm where the will of mankind is projected. Not necessarily an afterlife.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter_Toki

Well since the show ended I've been thinking of it as a realm where the will of mankind is projected. Not necessarily an afterlife.

What bugs me is that line from Suzaku

Lelouch, can you hear me in the World of C?

He seems to see the World of C as a place where Lelouch went when he died. And that the Lelouch he knew is there now.

It sounds like a kind of heaven XD

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

Originally Posted by Narona

What bugs me is that line from Suzaku


He seems to see the World of C as a place where Lelouch went when he died. And that the Lelouch he knew is there now.

It sounds like a kind of heaven XD

Well if it is an afterlife I believe that its probably only for users of Geass.

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by Narona

It sounds like a kind of heaven XD

Haha, Lelouch would go to heaven then? xD [unless he IS God afterall |D}

Srsly now, i don;t know for sure, it seems the world of C is a complicated complex kind of thing.
My closest interpretation is what GuidoHunter_Toki mentioned.

In the ZR-explaining scenes, Suzaku told Lelouch ::
"in the world of C, we learned that people do wish for tomorrow"
People that are "dead" can't wish no more. So i say, it is more of place, collecting the thoughts and wishes of people.

[Sonae]

I love these poems! Where's Rolo's? I'm trying to track it down but I can't find it!

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by Sonae

I love these poems! Where's Rolo's? I'm trying to track it down but I can't find it!

http://community.livejournal.com/cod...slation:others

If you scroll down, it's the fifth entry, I think. o.o


I was a bit disappointed that Rolo's poem apparently doesn't differ much from his character song...
But it's still cute. *hugs*

[Sonae]

Omg! ;_; I love it!

[Narona]

Originally Posted by incorrupts

Haha, Lelouch would go to heaven then? xD [unless he IS God afterall |D}

Srsly now, i don;t know for sure, it seems the world of C is a complicated complex kind of thing.
My closest interpretation is what GuidoHunter_Toki mentioned.

In the ZR-explaining scenes, Suzaku told Lelouch ::
"in the world of C, we learned that people do wish for tomorrow"
People that are "dead" can't wish no more. So i say, it is more of place, collecting the thoughts and wishes of people.

Well, what I dislike about the Collective Unconsciousness (you're talking about that, right? ) in code geass is that it seems to be one antity.

I personally like to think that in the world of C, Lelouch is still Lelouch. But it's more a preference than an opinion based on the show itself....

But I could be wrong. In that scene from Turn 15, who are those people/masks who are talking to Lelouch? Dead people from the World of C / Collective Unconsciousness?

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

http://community.livejournal.com/cod...slation:others

If you scroll down, it's the fifth entry, I think. o.o


I was a bit disappointed that Rolo's poem apparently doesn't differ much from his character song...
But it's still cute. *hugs*

Do you know where I could find Rivalz/Milly's poem? ^o^ (translated of course)

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by Narona

Well, what I dislike about the Collective Unconsciousness (you're talking about that, right? ) in code geass is that it seems to be one antity.

I personally like to think that in the world of C, Lelouch is still Lelouch. But it's more a preference than an opinion based on the show itself....

*nods her head to that*

But I could be wrong. In that scene from Turn 15, who are those people/masks who are talking to Lelouch? Dead people from the World of C / Collective Unconsciousness?

Actually, I never thought much of them... they were jus there. And I don't think the staff ever elaborated on that.

Do you know where I could find Rivalz/Milly's poem? ^o^ (translated of course)

Sorry, I'm looking for that myself.
Maybe it hasn't beeen translated yet?
Anyway, if someone has it somewhere... I'll give them an epic hug. xD

I want Rivalz and Milly! q.q
*hugs them*