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morbosfist · 2009-07-11, 00:51

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Originally Posted by snowdevil_crow

Okay, about the geassing Euphy to shoot him... was he planning to switch with CC, or what? Was he actually going to get her to shoot him and potentially seriously wound him? Because... that's a really stupid plan.

Actually, his original plan there was kind of dumb all around, IMO.

Presumably he would have had her shoot him somewhere that wouldn't have killed him then got out later. Not that hard to hit a non-vital area at close range when you tell the shooter where to point. Euphie had pretty good aim, too, when she shot that person in the crowd in the chest.

azul120 · 2009-07-11, 01:10

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Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

I mean, I wish Lelouch hadn't been so stubborn and listened to Suzaku in Turn 18 (or better yet, maybe he shouldn't have given him the live geass in the first place)

Even if he didn't feel betrayed and chose to listen to Suzaku, Lelouch would have had a hard time believing Suzaku had that kind of firepower present, let alone at his very own fingertips, since FLEIJA had just been rolled out. And Lelouch would have had an even harder time convincing the Black Knights of such a thing. And what if they did believe it? They'd be forced into surrendering a key battle, and victory would be Schneizel's.

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And of course I wish Shirley hadn't met up with Rolo in Turn 13. But sometimes that's just the way life rolls.

True.

Personally I wish Lelouch chose something other than Zero Requiem as his final plan to recreate the world.

Nobodyman9 · 2009-07-11, 01:19

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Originally Posted by azul120

Even if he didn't feel betrayed and chose to listen to Suzaku, Lelouch would have had a hard time believing Suzaku had that kind of firepower present, let alone at his very own fingertips, since FLEIJA had just been rolled out. And Lelouch would have had an even harder time convincing the Black Knights of such a thing. And what if they did believe it? They'd be forced into surrendering a key battle, and victory would be Schneizel's.

Well whatever. Point is I wish the Fleija bombing had not happened. I mean, I'm not sure exactly what practically would've prevented. Incidentally, I guess if the SAZ massacre hadn't happened Nina probably wouldn't have gone nuts and made the Fleija.

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Personally I wish Lelouch chose something other than Zero Requiem as his final plan to recreate the world.

You and about half the Code Geass fanbase

(myself included)

synaesthetic · 2009-07-11, 01:24

Nina was actually working on FLEIA before she died. Remember Lloyd commenting on her work concerning nuclear fission of uranium-235 when he came to visit Milly? It would have been created, just probably not as fast.

Rising Dragon · 2009-07-11, 02:19

If I'm not mistaken, Nina was working on something entirely different using radioactive materials, which Lloyd had provided her with... it wasn't until Lelouch murdered Euphemia that she weaponized that research into the predecessor of FLEIJA.

morbosfist · 2009-07-11, 02:29

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If I'm not mistaken, Nina was working on something entirely different using radioactive materials, which Lloyd had provided her with... it wasn't until Lelouch murdered Euphemia that she weaponized that research into the predecessor of FLEIJA.

She was working on a nuclear reactor, and built it. She just intended to overload it. Then she made it into an actual bomb.

Rising Dragon · 2009-07-11, 02:36

Yeah, that's what I thought. Sorry, my memory on season 1's a bit fuzzy.

Kytherno · 2009-07-14, 18:39

Lelouch, in my opinion, is the best male character in any anime I've seen so far. He understands how people think, and he's very conceited. He also seems to ridicule people who try terribly.

The Zero Requiem was a brilliant idea, everything was planned out so well, i just wish Lelouch would've

Spoiler for Code Geass R2 ep 25:

Although it could have easily been Sayoko as the target, I think.

Anyways, Lelouch is a great character.

Rising Dragon · 2009-07-14, 18:41

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Lelouch, in my opinion, is the best male character in any anime I've seen so far. He understands how people think, and he's very conceited. He also seems to ridicule people who try terribly.

The Zero Requiem was a brilliant idea, everything was planned out so well, i just wish Lelouch would've

Spoiler for Code Geass R2 ep 25:

Although it could have easily been Sayoko as the target, I think.

Anyways, Lelouch is a great character.

Consider it disproven: At the time of Lelouch's execution at Suzaku's hands, Sayoko is shown to be within a cell alongside the other Zero-R collaborators.

snowdevil_crow · 2009-07-14, 18:49

Why would Sayoko be the target, anyway?

morbosfist · 2009-07-14, 18:50

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Why would Sayoko be the target, anyway?

He's saying Sayoko could have been Lelouch's body double.

bladeofdarkness · 2009-07-14, 18:53

why would lelouch WANT a body double
the whole POINT was for him to die

snowdevil_crow · 2009-07-14, 19:13

... oh.

That... doesn't really make sense, but okay.

azul120 · 2009-07-14, 19:19

Why not? That's the reason he started Zero Requiem in the first place. He wanted an excuse to die.

snowdevil_crow · 2009-07-14, 19:30

No, the idea that he would make Sayoko take his place. That's what I was confused about. ^^'

azul120 · 2009-07-14, 21:10

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No, the idea that he would make Sayoko take his place. That's what I was confused about. ^^'

Oh. I guess because she had served as Lelouch's double over at Ashford.

Kytherno · 2009-07-15, 19:57

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Consider it disproven: At the time of Lelouch's execution at Suzaku's hands, Sayoko is shown to be within a cell alongside the other Zero-R collaborators.

What if Lelouch was wearing a Sayoko mask?

I do realize Lelouch no longer had a reason to live, which means he probably did die, but if he did, it could have easily been a Sayoko-Lelouch Switch-a-roo.

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Originally Posted by snowdevil_crow

Why would Sayoko be the target, anyway?

Maybe she wanted Lelouch to live?

Rising Dragon · 2009-07-15, 20:05

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What if Lelouch was wearing a Sayoko mask?

I do realize Lelouch no longer had a reason to live, which means he probably did die, but if he did, it could have easily been a Sayoko-Lelouch Switch-a-roo.

Maybe she wanted Lelouch to live?

Consider it further disproven by Sayoko's appearance and friendly conversation with Viletta in the final Picture Drama.

Kytherno · 2009-07-15, 20:07

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Consider it further disproven by Sayoko's appearance and friendly conversation with Viletta in the final Picture Drama.

If Sayoko can look like Lelouch, couldn't it be the other way around?

Rising Dragon · 2009-07-15, 20:13

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If Sayoko can look like Lelouch, couldn't it be the other way around?

Uh... no, not really, actually. With the mask, Sayoko has decent facial proportions to fill in Lelouch's profile. A Sayoko mask on Lelouch would probably make his head look slightly larger than normal. Of course, this is disbarring standard animation physics.

But for all intents and purposes, Lelouch is confirmed to be dead while Sayoko is confirmed to be alive. It'd be best to just accept the fact or, if you want to continue believing in Lelouch's survival, just not bring it up on this forum. It has a nasty tendency to spark flame wars among the more serious fans of the show.

(Hint: I'm not a serious fan)

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snowdevil_crow Wielder of Cucumbers Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Canada	No, the idea that he would make Sayoko take his place. That's what I was confused about. ^^'