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That's why I don't find the notion of another bad end for Madoka appealing, to me it would just feel like an extension of what we already know, and not a resolution. That doesn't mean the ending can't be tragic in some way, but I also don't want to feel like I sat through 12 episodes of nothing resolved either. I want to see Kyubey lose. I want to see him pay. Payback. Vengeance. Retribution. It's as simple as that. Any happiness outside of that is just an extra bonus. But watching the antagonists win.....not enjoyable, no matter what personal depth/reflection I take away from the story. Nothing would be more satisfying to me than seeing one of the best villains I've watched in a long time get what he deserves. I want hope that the suffering these characters went through wasn't for nothing. If Gen/Shaft delivers that, I will take back what I said in my previous post.
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2011-03-29, 11:05 | Link #2103 | |
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Wait, why am I comparing it with that nonsense... I mean Spoiler for Higurashi:
And then you'll know what I'd prefer.
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2011-03-29, 14:02 | Link #2108 | |
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And I assume even NND has its limitations, else they'd stream them from there to at least try and please hungry fans.
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2011-03-29, 16:15 | Link #2109 | |
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2011-03-29, 22:13 | Link #2111 | |
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Kyubey is definitely the antagonist, but he may have noble intentions. If we are to believe that Kyubey is manipulating young teenage girls in order to save the entire universe, then the suffering of Madoka and company may pay off as the universe surviving for a longer time. I know you see Kyubey's motives as a cheap cop-out to justify the abuse of Earth and it's people. Maybe the ending can be displeasing, unsatisfying, and even grotesque. Maybe Urobuchi may choose to write in order to anger the fans. Have Madoka and Homura simply lose to Walpurgi's Night, or have Madoka turn into a witch that destroys Earth. I mean, the season is nearing the end... if he wants to troll us, then now is the time. But what separates Urobuchi from the average internet troll? There exists meaning within his seemingly shoddy work. That in order for his message to be truly understood, we have to feel anger at reality itself. Life is unfair, and people die as they live: in suffering and sadness. |
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2011-03-29, 22:52 | Link #2112 | ||
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Speaking personally, I've simply wrote that people shouldn't count on that happening. That's a matter of managing expectations, not hopes. Quote:
My late paternal grandfather lead a happy and fulfilling life, based on every meeting and conversation I had with him. The day before he died, he had complete control of his faculties, and was mobile, able to go wherever he wanted to. He died quickly from a heart attack the next day, over the age of 80. That doesn't sound like a life or death of great suffering and sadness to me.
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2011-03-29, 23:51 | Link #2114 | |
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Rest assured if I told them my life was full of suffering and misery to some of them, I'd get slapped in the face. It really is relative sometimes. Sometimes life is miserable, other times people make it miserable because they think it is. Grass is always greener... I'd love a faster computer, and still be miserable when I get it, yet others would be happy to have a better meal, etc.
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2011-03-30, 00:05 | Link #2115 | ||
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Puella Magis live and die in suffering, it seems. Gen has clearly shown that unless there's some clever way to fix or destroy the system, it's best to never get into it in the first place.
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2011-03-30, 01:33 | Link #2116 |
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Honestly...if you wanted to destoy the entire system and punish Kyubey at the same time......just have madoka wish for kyubeys race to finally develop emotions. I wonder would he be so quick to doom people if he had a little guilt in there.
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2011-03-30, 07:20 | Link #2117 |
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That would actually bring up a nice question: if Kyuubey's race did have emotions, would they be as quick to sacrifice THEMSELVES for the sake of the universe?
As far as things go atm, Kyuubey seems - to quote Chiwa Saitou, Homura's VA - to be always in an interesting position. I'd go as far as to define this position: an impartial extraterrestrial force major. Effectively pulling off the impression that taking revenge on it would be of as much use as taking revenge on nature for the events of March 11. Then comes another question. So, if Madoka manages to screw the system beyond tolerable... how satisfactory would it be for us, who want revenge on him? If he flicks his tail and says "Huh, bad luck, more headache now", that would probably disappoint some people more than him getting unscathed. Because divine retribution seems satisfactory only if the villainous object in question SUFFERS it - but if Kyuubey is oblivious to any revenge and retribution, if his lack of emotions will just allow him to shrug it off - then retribution isn't even worth wasting one's effort. Of course, screwing Incubators' system appears to hold enough value for humanity as it is (of course, it may hinder humanity's future like Kyuubey mused - but in this day and age, who on Earth cares about the heat death of the universe anyway? ). So unless Kyuubey turns out to be the puppet master behind Walpurgisnacht's advent like someone here speculated, I'm inclined to see him as a background factor regarding the plot's further development. It's all about [Homura and] Madoka now, not about taking the cute alien twerp to court. |
2011-03-30, 11:43 | Link #2118 |
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Speaking of earthquakes brings up a point, it may be pointless to take revenge on a force of nature, but what if you chain it down until it was harmless? Like, what if it became technologically possible to defuse earthquakes before they happen?
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2011-03-30, 11:53 | Link #2119 |
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Entropy is a force of nature. Therefore Kyubey, who is going against it, is not a force of nature. All the opposite, Kyubey's middling with the real forces of nature (like entropy) is what disrupts the actual natural balance.
Then again, Gen seems to suck at physics, so there's a chance he doesn't even understand Kyubey, even though it's his creation.
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The idea that Kyubey is a force of nature stems from the impression that nature itself is impartial and objective - nature lacks emotion. As an earthquake will simply hit wherever the tectonic plates move beneath. Or a tornado will strike the area close to where it originally formed. Or how thunderstorm clouds will barrage the ground above it. That is where I find Kyubey and nature different. While nature follows the flow, Kyubey has intentions of his own. Kyubey actively seeks out the girl with the most powerful emotions, and tries to convince her with devised schemes. To say that Kyubey is a force of nature is to suggest that nature can think for itself and hold intention - as far as I know, that is untrue. Nature has yet to talk to us and ask us to stop killing it. Quote:
That still means the main characters should work to subvert the evil furball's plans. Instead of taking revenge on Kyubey, the focus is on preventing him from enslaving more of Earth's innocent girls into the Puella Magi system. I think you say the same thing later in your post. Quote:
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