Higurashi Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[evil-samurai]

Originally Posted by Cist

Anyone else notice that in her casual clothing in episode 3 and 4, Mion was carrying a gun? I mean, it really looks like a holster and a gun.

Nice pick up, I didn't notice that. It sure does look like a gun, I couldn't think of anthing else it would be...

This episode was freakish; watching Keiichi going nuts was interesting, I kept on thinking everything might get better like it always does.. but it doesn't he keeps on getting more insane. Keiichi closing Rena's hand in the Door was awesome..! it must! of hurt >.< and it that scene I loved!! the sound of Rena just pulling on the chain over.. and over.. along with Rena saying keiichi-kun with a soft psychotic voice.

[Azn_GooWakJai]

Anyone else notice that in her casual clothing in episode 3 and 4, Mion was carrying a gun? I mean, it really looks like a holster and a gun.

Originally Posted by Cist

Spoiler for ep4:

MY GOD THANK U for bringing up that point I noticed that myself too while watchin ep 3 where Mion was holdin the door tellin K1 to show up tmw for school. Then I carefully looked, WAIT A DARN MINUTE, IS SHE HOLDING A FREAKIN GUN? That must be like a 100% clue to us viewers to a missing puzzle. Mion is 15-16 rite? correct me if im wrong, but n e ways WHY would a girl like her hold a gun like that out in public without no one noticing especially K1 although its reasonable for him since he's too mindful but who's gonna kill him. But yea.....WOW Mion seems suspecious, but w/ her dead, who might the real culprit be? Bum Buum BUUUUUUUM.

[molitar]

I don't know if I am going to be able to watch anymore of this one. I hate Stephen King stories because the endings ALWAYS SUCK! I am the type that demands GOOD ENDINGS! I like to be entertained not horrified by a horrible ending. So can someone tell me now if this is a series that has a horrible ending? Their is alot of other anime out their that I can replace this one with because so far after this episode where what I thought was the main character is killed it feels too much like another stupid Stephen King type horror than anything else.. And I hate his stories.

[SpaceDrake]

Check episode 1. Mion's wearing it there too.

[monster]

Oh wow, I just watch the first three and a half episodes, and this series is scaring me a whole lot. I have to stop in the middle of the fourth episode and continue it tomorrow morning to find out what happened.

And the scene with the door and Rena's hand reminds me of a bad incident where I did the same thing to my younger cousin's finger unintentionally.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by SpaceDrake

Check episode 1. Mion's wearing it there too.

Yep, its her when she wears her everyday cloths - and in the game to, don't think its anything to worry about.

[yamikage]

Dammit, this is probably the most disturbing anime I have watched. Right now, very few anime pique my interest but this one actually makes me crave for the next episode.

I don't think I can think of any theories, as nothing makes too much sense right now. Nevermind the fact that what I'm probably thinking about it right now might be wrong.

@kj1980: I've lurked in Higurashi's original thread long before it became an anime and I have learned a very important lesson: To whatever you're hyping, I'm definitely watching.

To this episode I give a solid 9, because it's too early to give a perfect 10 and I'm waiting for that certain episode that will destroy everything that I believe stand for.

[SvenTheSweeper]

Originally Posted by Azn_GooWakJai

Anyone else notice that in her casual clothing in episode 3 and 4, Mion was carrying a gun? I mean, it really looks like a holster and a gun.

Not only that, but the gun disappears in the next sequence.

Mion's body is in the lower left corner.

Sorry, the picture is dark becuase it is a night time scene.

[FubaredByAnime]

Originally Posted by molitar

I don't know if I am going to be able to watch anymore of this one. I hate Stephen King stories because the endings ALWAYS SUCK! I am the type that demands GOOD ENDINGS! I like to be entertained not horrified by a horrible ending. So can someone tell me now if this is a series that has a horrible ending? Their is alot of other anime out their that I can replace this one with because so far after this episode where what I thought was the main character is killed it feels too much like another stupid Stephen King type horror than anything else.. And I hate his stories.

Time to cut your losses, move on and try something else then. I hear the stories for Higurashi get more depressing later on.

[SpaceDrake]

Originally Posted by SvenTheSweeper

Not only that, but the gun disappears in the next sequence.

Mion's body is in the lower left corner.

Sorry, the picture is dark becuase it is a night time scene.

It's entirely possible the holster flew off during the vigorous baseball-batting that occured right after Kei recieved his injection. Either that or it's a goof.

[aliensporebomb]

I believe it is intentional.

Spoiler:

How much you want to bet english speaking individuals on their
production staff are reading this stuff and laughing maniacally.

This show exists to pull our collective chains.

[thundrakkon]

This series is definitely a great one so far, among so many good series starting this season.

I agree with Paranoia833,

Spoiler for concerning Oishi as a prime suspect:

He seems to know everything, and after the deaths in the end, it seems like he does not really care, as if it is a case close and moves onto the next. It is as if he is intentionally leading ("directing") events and adding more information as needed. The car scene did appear to be the turning point in Keiichi's paranoia.

If Oishi is involved with the whole dam project, he might be removing resistance. The murder event at the dam had one person not caught. The whole loli gang is 4 people, so they do not appear to be the suspects. That leaves the question, "who's the last murderer?"

Did we actually see the photographer die, or was it only mentioned?

The flowers falling in the beginning of the intro... I wonder what significance they have...

Concerning Rena, I was feeling so, so bad for her in the rain, crying, and apologizing. How could anyone be upset at her after seeing that?

I personally do not believe Rena and Mion are guilty of murder. It was all in Keiichi's head, I bet. Rena probably did break windows in her old school, but since no charges were pressed (and I think they mentioned a few deaths, too), I bet she did it for some good reason.

My most outlandish theory would be that this is a sort of insane asylum, where they have mentally disturbed patients go to recover. The doctor come and checks up on them. The blue suit guys are workers. Oishi is the director, leading psychological experiments.

People being transferred might mean they were released.

You have the scene where Keiichi appears to be hit on the head by a bat from a blue suit guy before awakening to see Rena by his side. The needle scene might be his medication to treat his dementia. You don't see the needle in the end, probably because Keiichi took it with him for some reason or another.

OK, so my theories have more holes than swiss cheese right now, but we really do not have enough information yet.

BTW, Rena, although psycho in certain scenes, appears to be regretful, kind, and too caring for me to believe that she is a murderer.

I really want to know how this turns out... although watching this alone is quite freaky. Maybe I should watch this series with friends, although I don't think I would be patient enough to wait. I kept thinking about psycho Rena the whole day after I watched it. Quite an impact, this series has.

[Freakman]

Don't forget to check the TIPS thread, which covers various topics about the events in Onikakushi.

[kj1980]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

This series is definitely a great one so far, among so many good series starting this season.

I agree with Paranoia833,

Spoiler for concerning Oishi as a prime suspect:

He seems to know everything, and after the deaths in the end, it seems like he does not really care, as if it is a case close and moves onto the next. It is as if he is intentionally leading ("directing") events and adding more information as needed. The car scene did appear to be the turning point in Keiichi's paranoia.

If Oishi is involved with the whole dam project, he might be removing resistance. The murder event at the dam had one person not caught. The whole loli gang is 4 people, so they do not appear to be the suspects. That leaves the question, "who's the last murderer?"

Did we actually see the photographer die, or was it only mentioned?

The flowers falling in the beginning of the intro... I wonder what significance they have...

Concerning Rena, I was feeling so, so bad for her in the rain, crying, and apologizing. How could anyone be upset at her after seeing that?

I personally do not believe Rena and Mion are guilty of murder. It was all in Keiichi's head, I bet. Rena probably did break windows in her old school, but since no charges were pressed (and I think they mentioned a few deaths, too), I bet she did it for some good reason.

My most outlandish theory would be that this is a sort of insane asylum, where they have mentally disturbed patients go to recover. The doctor come and checks up on them. The blue suit guys are workers. Oishi is the director, leading psychological experiments.

People being transferred might mean they were released.

You have the scene where Keiichi appears to be hit on the head by a bat from a blue suit guy before awakening to see Rena by his side. The needle scene might be his medication to treat his dementia. You don't see the needle in the end, probably because Keiichi took it with him for some reason or another.

OK, so my theories have more holes than swiss cheese right now, but we really do not have enough information yet.

BTW, Rena, although psycho in certain scenes, appears to be regretful, kind, and too caring for me to believe that she is a murderer.

I really want to know how this turns out... although watching this alone is quite freaky. Maybe I should watch this series with friends, although I don't think I would be patient enough to wait. I kept thinking about psycho Rena the whole day after I watched it. Quite an impact, this series has.

Start reading the TIPS thread. It's the translation thread devoted to various TIPS that you receive throughout the game - an aspect that is lacking in watching the anime, reading the manga, or listening to the drama CD. In there, you'll be able to read police transmission logs, notes taken during the investigation, etc. etc. which may answer your ponderings (and quite possibly open up more mysteries while at it too!).

[thundrakkon]

Thanks, KJ and Freakman. The TIPS thread did clear up some things and added quite a few questions, too.

I am going to read the General discussion and Theory thread and post my comments on the TIPS there later.

[Vicke]

Originally Posted by SvenTheSweeper

Not only that, but the gun disappears in the next sequence.

Mion's body is in the lower left corner.

Sorry, the picture is dark becuase it is a night time scene.

Well the same can be said about Renas finger bandage(?)

Then later:


But I dont think it has any meaning, the animator just skipped that detail.

[Azn_GooWakJai]

Originally Posted by FubaredByAnime

Time to cut your losses, move on and try something else then. I hear the stories for Higurashi get more depressing later on.

Ehhh depressing as in a good ending or bad ending? Because its either depressin that its a let down or depressin as in the story wise in which it gets good.

[kj1980]

Originally Posted by Azn_GooWakJai

Ehhh depressing as in a good ending or bad ending? Because its either depressin that its a let down or depressin as in the story wise in which it gets good.

The latter. It's so depressing, you probably won't be able to smile for at least a day or two.

[rainnydaiis]

Originally Posted by molitar

I don't know if I am going to be able to watch anymore of this one. I hate Stephen King stories because the endings ALWAYS SUCK! I am the type that demands GOOD ENDINGS! I like to be entertained not horrified by a horrible ending. So can someone tell me now if this is a series that has a horrible ending? Their is alot of other anime out their that I can replace this one with because so far after this episode where what I thought was the main character is killed it feels too much like another stupid Stephen King type horror than anything else.. And I hate his stories.

I'm just happy you gave the anime a try. In my thoughts I think Stephen King was a genius in his own world because his stories kept you in a suspense which most books can't and even though the ending was crap as long as the story was good then to me thats all that matters...

As for this anime I think its the same because of the things that are happening so fast in the story it keeps you in a mood where you can't wait for the next turning point to emerge. Like this anime kept me wondering and wondering how it was going to turn out and I was a bit shocked on how the main character died in the 4th episode and I was like omg it can't be over... But it seems as if the anime has a different set of stories combined to make you figure out who that oyashirou-sama is...

It just keeps getting interesting and interesting ^^

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by rainnydaiis

But it seems as if the anime has a different set of stories combined to make you figure out who that oyashirou-sama is...

It's not really "a different set of stories" per se, think of it more as "the same story played out differently". There's only ONE story in Higurashi, and it's up to YOU to figure out WHY the scenarios are different from each other (ex. Onikakushi vs Watanagashi): That's right, there's an actual cause in each scenario for them to be different from each other (in other words, without that specific "cause", one scenario could've very well played out exactly the same as another) (example: If (certain event) didn't happen in (chapter name), the story could've very well played out exactly the same as (another chapter name))

All "chapters" (ex. Onikakushi, Watanagashi, Tatarigoroshi, and so on) all start at the same spot (besides a couple of exceptions that are clearly stated), and within each chapter, something caused that same single story to branch out into different developments and endings. What you need to find out is that "cause".

And the goal of the story is not "figuring out who Oyashisama is", nor is it even about "finding the true culprit" or "finding out the truth". The real goal is XXXXXXXXXXX (but to do that, you'd need to find out the truth anyway, so it's not that different I guess, at least for you lucky anime watchers who won't have to worry about Matsuribayashi ^^; )


[editted by kj1980: blanked out the real goal. I think it's better for the viewer's to find out what the real goal is as they struggle to put it all together. Besides, that's what made it interesting to us when we first played the game, right?]