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Old 2015-02-05, 04:56   Link #2461
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I hope we get a third anime season after he finished the light novel.
As stated by them, the materials is few to obtain even a 1cour season, though the sales of the anime is above average, it won't warrant us a sequel considering that we're talking about kadokawa who is cheap in making a sequel of their anime.

Hoping that there will be an epilogue ova though.
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Old 2015-02-05, 05:04   Link #2462
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There's no where near enough material.
The author writes as much volumes as he wants to finish the story and if he aims to make a third and final season he will do this as well. Haganai is still one of the most popular shows and everyone wants to know how it turns out. And after all... the author has a message for his audience.
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Old 2015-02-05, 05:46   Link #2463
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The author writes as much volumes as he wants to finish the story and if he aims to make a third and final season he will do this as well. Haganai is still one of the most popular shows and everyone wants to know how it turns out. And after all... the author has a message for his audience.
The first season sold above average but the second sold pretty badly I think it did only 70% of the sales the original season did, the fact that the budget was substantially larger makes season 2 a failure. Also the LN sales went steadily down hill after volume 5 or 6 add the fact that the author has talked alot of shit(by japanese standards) about his editor and publisher, going so far that the publisher actually "relocated" the editor after volume 11 I doubt they'll throw any money for another season. The second season was also panned by the multiple jap magazines along with negative fan reactions toward the change in story compared to beginning.

I also don't know what you're talking about even WITH the epilogue volume the author has already moved on from the story and is currently writing another project. There just isn't enough material for another season we may get a couple of OVA's... MAYBE. But I wouldn't hold my breathe. The LN's weren't THAT popular to begin with even the manga has had it's staff cut to save money, have you seen the art of the newest chapters? The editor turned the story from a slice of life comedy about a group of misfits trying to make friends into another run of the mill romantic comedy harem without the charm it had in the beginning.
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Old 2015-02-05, 06:13   Link #2464
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The first season sold above average but the second sold pretty badly I think it did only 70% of the sales the original season did, the fact that the budget was substantially larger makes season 2 a failure. Also the LN sales went steadily down hill after volume 5 or 6 add the fact that the author has talked alot of shit(by japanese standards) about his editor and publisher, going so far that the publisher actually "relocated" the editor after volume 11 I doubt they'll throw any money for another season. The second season was also panned by the multiple jap magazines along with negative fan reactions toward the change in story compared to beginning.

I also don't know what you're talking about even WITH the epilogue volume the author has already moved on from the story and is currently writing another project. There just isn't enough material for another season we may get a couple of OVA's... MAYBE. But I wouldn't hold my breathe. The LN's weren't THAT popular to begin with even the manga has had it's staff cut to save money, have you seen the art of the newest chapters? The editor turned the story from a slice of life comedy about a group of misfits trying to make friends into another run of the mill romantic comedy harem without the charm it had in the beginning.
The first season was a slice of life. I'd argue that after yozora was revealed to be his old friend the series went on an immediate downhill spiral because of the fact that now the whole purpose of the club is ruined.
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Old 2015-02-05, 08:02   Link #2465
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The first season was a slice of life. I'd argue that after yozora was revealed to be his old friend the series went on an immediate downhill spiral because of the fact that now the whole purpose of the club is ruined.
Agreed. Before the harem stupidity the story reminded me of Oreromcom with small hints of romance but the main focus being about the characters' growth and interaction with each other. It's a shame really this used to be one of my favorite LN's but after volume 6 and 7 I just couldn't read it anymore. Season 2 was rushed and a downgrade compared to the first, the ending to the LN's was alright I guess but the author totally rushed the story just glossing over Yozora's trauma and Sena's and her's friendship scene was retarded as hell, I just hope that Rika or Sena wins in the end to be honest since I doubt Kodaka and Yuki will last long during the epilogue.
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Old 2015-02-05, 08:15   Link #2466
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The LN's weren't THAT popular to begin with
To be honest it's still popular and one of the flagship title of MF Bunko J, but after the release of the 10th volume, sadly but truthfully the sparkle of this series is bit by bit became rusty thus removing it from the top 30 LN sales last year... but still it is consider a popular series despite of that.

Considering the second season only did about 70% (69%+ based on the calculated sales) of the anime, but still the average is 6080 BD sales and that is still high enough to made another season (comparing those anime with a second season but the sales is around 3k sales or less...) but as I stated earlier, Kadokawa is notorious for being cheap when it comes in making a sequel of an anime even though there is enough material and sales.
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Old 2015-02-05, 08:18   Link #2467
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Agreed. Before the harem stupidity the story reminded me of Oreromcom with small hints of romance but the main focus being about the characters' growth and interaction with each other. It's a shame really this used to be one of my favorite LN's but after volume 6 and 7 I just couldn't read it anymore. Season 2 was rushed and a downgrade compared to the first, the ending to the LN's was alright I guess but the author totally rushed the story just glossing over Yozora's trauma and Sena's and her's friendship scene was retarded as hell, I just hope that Rika or Sena wins in the end to be honest since I doubt Kodaka and Yuki will last long during the epilogue.

See thats not it. The first season establishes a premise of the neighbors club as a bunch of loners who gathered together and made a club kodaka's massive flaws can be ignored but u didnt do much with it. The hints were there about the truth for Yozora but again their hindsight hints. Once its revealed at the end of season 1 or whatever volume its revealed the story takes a complete 360. Now you realize the neighbors club was a way to rekindle an old friendship without it being known as an old friendship and really everything else came out of nowhere. Sena's feelings for Kodoka seem random the engagement is definitely stupid and yozora's meltdown is not only unnecessary but self inflicted. All a "3rd season" would do is pretty much take that meltdown and magnify it to a painful level.
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Old 2015-02-05, 17:59   Link #2468
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To be honest it's still popular and one of the flagship title of MF Bunko J, but after the release of the 10th volume, sadly but truthfully the sparkle of this series is bit by bit became rusty thus removing it from the top 30 LN sales last year... but still it is consider a popular series despite of that.
The series has been going downhill for a while now, the reviews the second season got were mostly negative and it just kinda went to obscurity. But I'll concede at one point it was fairly popular.

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Considering the second season only did about 70% (69%+ based on the calculated sales) of the anime, but still the average is 6080 BD sales and that is still high enough to made another season (comparing those anime with a second season but the sales is around 3k sales or less...) but as I stated earlier, Kadokawa is notorious for being cheap when it comes in making a sequel of an anime even though there is enough material and sales.
Yea but you forgot to factor in the higher budget the second season had. The sales were bad I remember on 4chan they posted numbers and I remember it was well below "The Line" used to warrant another season.
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Old 2015-02-05, 18:09   Link #2469
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The series has been going downhill for a while now, the reviews the second season got were mostly negative and it just kinda went to obscurity. But I'll concede at one point it was fairly popular.



Yea but you forgot to factor in the higher budget the second season had. The sales were bad I remember on 4chan they posted numbers and I remember it was well below "The Line" used to warrant another season.
i said it earlier. The minute you revealed that yozora was kodaka's childhood friend the entire idea behind the story is destroyed. The second season ruined the first one because the premise is established that this is all about a group of loners who join together and make a club. The minute you realize Yozora pretty much established the club to reunite with her childhood friend and yet hide the whole thing the show goes to crap and if you look at the characters overall you'll realize that the second season pretty much established that each characters flaws more then outweight the good.
Kodaka: Cant find a good thing about the guy to be frank and his stupidity was painful
Yozora: She has an attitude for days and her cluelessness makes it hard to ignore the fact that she is actually attractive.
Sena: The definition of dumb blonde her love of galges is almost as creepy as her obsession with Kodaka
Rika: God its hard to hate Rika but its also hard to like her
Maria: Why is she there?
Kobato: Again why is she there
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i said it earlier. The minute you revealed that yozora was kodaka's childhood friend the entire idea behind the story is destroyed. The second season ruined the first one because the premise is established that this is all about a group of loners who join together and make a club. The minute you realize Yozora pretty much established the club to reunite with her childhood friend and yet hide the whole thing the show goes to crap
... I wasn't talking about the story, I agree with you the story went to shit once the predictable harem tropes and "fighting" started between the girls, then Kodaka went from an observant character in volume 1-4 to "Eh? Nanadatte?" levels of moronic. Also Yozora's history with Kodaka is one of those tropes that I hate the most right along with "Oh we're actually engaged, lol" geez. Getting small hints of romance now and again is one thing but dedicating entire volumes to it is just terrible.
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Old 2015-02-05, 18:18   Link #2471
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... I wasn't talking about the story, I agree with you the story went to shit once the predictable harem tropes and "fighting" started between the girls, then Kodaka went from an observant character in volume 1-4 to "Eh? Nanadatte?" levels of moronic. Also Yozora's history with Kodaka is one of those tropes that I hate the most. Getting small hints of romance now and again is one thing but dedicating entire volumes to it is just terrible.
The series went to shit because the story went to shit. Yozora's history with kodaka is amusing in its own way the problem is there's critical stuff that screwy about it. Must admit after reading more of Yozora's history its actually kinda worse and the worst part is its her own damn fault.
The fact that the Sena kodaka couple came out of really nowhere doesnt help it at all.
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The sales were bad I remember on 4chan they posted numbers and I remember it was well below "The Line" used to warrant another season.
As you know, 4ch isn't consistent when it comes to posts, unless they're part of the staff from the production team.... there's no one could tell how many sales must hit that target to make another season a surely one. , heck even Chaika get another season wherein the BD + DVD sales are below the what you called Manabi line (3k) and what you called abysmal one.

But, we need a really really really good V11, to make up for the lack of development that came from V10.... though I think that's impossible unless Haganai would restart aka SAO Progressive or I.Stratos that jumped from another publisher.
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As you know, 4ch isn't consistent when it comes to posts, unless they're part of the staff from the production team.... there's no one could tell how many sales must hit that target to make another season a surely one. , heck even Chaika get another season wherein the BD + DVD sales are below the what you called Manabi line (3k) and what you called abysmal one.
The thing about Chaika was it had alot going for it coming into season 1 already. The studio was contracted for a second season when it was picked up for the first the LN sales sold really well, the manga tanko's sold well and the first season of the show was popular. Also 4chan just copy and pasted the results like they do every month i think they got it from amazon.jp or 2chan I'm not sure. But anyway Japan has shit taste so it doesn't really matter. But the sales results can at least BE considered whether an anime get's another season but of course it's not set in stone. Considering the studio that did Haganai isn't doing so well and haven't given us an anime in over two years, plus the other reasons I've stated Haganai, as an anime, is dead.

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But, we need a really really really good V11, to make up for the lack of development that came from V10.... though I think that's impossible unless Haganai would restart aka SAO Progressive or I.Stratos that jumped from another publisher.
Agreed. I need some closure from this trainwreck of a story.
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Yea but you forgot to factor in the higher budget the second season had. The sales were bad I remember on 4chan they posted numbers and I remember it was well below "The Line" used to warrant another season.
Eh, the sales were actually quite good. Average sales of 7,267 units per volume, and this despite the fact that there was a 5-month delay after the first volume due to the (still unknown) situation with Buriki. In fact, I dare say that the tentative situation with the illustrator is probably much more of a factor that has influenced the novels and continued popularity of the series, as it completely stopped the momentum coming off the second anime season (huge delay in discs, forever-postponed artbook, long wait for the next volume that still only had cover art and no internal illustrations, etc.). The cross-media marketing plan was no doubt totally shattered.

I feel like you're overstated both how "bad" the content got, how bad the editorial "politics" were, and how much of an impact this had on the series' on-going popularity. It seems to me that it's more a question of momentum than anything else.

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Considering the studio that did Haganai isn't doing so well and haven't given us an anime in over two years, plus the other reasons I've stated Haganai, as an anime, is dead.
The studio has little to do with it. The problem is there's nothing to sell. Media Factory/Kadokawa makes anime to help sell more books (they're book publishers primarily), but right now there aren't a bunch of new books to sell. If it were just for the anime sales themselves, based on the sales of the previous season, it'd be a much safer investment than many of the other shows they'll likely try. If the book situation resolves itself and the momentum for the franchise comes back, they may very well continue the anime, as that may be a way to bring attention back to the franchise. The animation studio isn't really central to the issue; if Media Factory wanted to make a new anime, they could contract out to a new studio. But again, it's not very likely to happen unless it can be accompanied by a whole lot of new merchandise: books, manga, music CDs, character goods, the works. Without new art from Buriki or new characters/content, they're basically stalled. (And yeah, maybe they could just switch artists if the author was determined to move forward anyway, but this has its own set of consequences.)
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True enough about the sales, the reason the editor vs author situation comes to mind for me is that it's been mentioned how badly the relationship has gotten between the author and the publisher. My cousin showed me an article(he actually translated it for me since he know I liked Haganai) about how the author refused to be in the same room as the editor during the final revisions of volume 11 and that the artist (who's good friends with both of them) literally just said "fuck this I'm out" was the one who carried messages between them. Apparently the author blamed the editor for the reduced sales because he was the one who wanted to shift the focus from slice of life to romance harem antics while the editor blamed the author saying he didn't know how to take direction. Personally I'm hoping this matter gets resolved soon and the author decides to revisit this series with our protags in their third year.

edit; the reason I'm fixated on the dispute is mostly because my step mother is Japanese and knowing their culture if shit got so bad that people around them know what's up and they actually act out, then it must be pretty fucking bad. To me seeing them act out like that is a huge deal especially with how they run things over there.
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Well... I'm not sure how much we really know about what's going on behind closed doors. We probably hear bits and pieces of what people let slip, but there's probably more going on that we don't know. The situation with Buriki isn't just a question of being caught in the middle of this dispute, because it also impacted all his other work too. So there's more going on than we know.

In the end, I do hope all the issues will be resolved.
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Well... I'm not sure how much we really know about what's going on behind closed doors. We probably hear bits and pieces of what people let slip, but there's probably more going on that we don't know. The situation with Buriki isn't just a question of being caught in the middle of this dispute, because it also impacted all his other work too. So there's more going on than we know.

In the end, I do hope all the issues will be resolved.
Agreed, the author has said that he'd love to revisit the Neighbors Club during their third year after a few years had passed but that was a while ago. The Artist is working on another story I can't remember the name at the moment so at least he's still good.
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The situation with Buriki isn't just a question of being caught in the middle of this dispute, because it also impacted all his other work too. So there's more going on than we know.
Do you know more about why Buriki stopped making illustrations for Haganai? Did he got a better offering from another company (more money)? Can someone point out all those things we know about him currently?
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What I know is that he got sick between volumes which slowed the releases, I think it was gout. Then the feud between editor and author escalated which caused friction between the three of them. After he finished volume 11 he basically just moved on to do his own thing. He started working on another series and is currently waiting for volume 11 of Haganai before he can officially work on another story.
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What I know is that he got sick between volumes which slowed the releases, I think it was gout. Then the feud between editor and author escalated which caused friction between the three of them. After he finished volume 11 he basically just moved on to do his own thing. He started working on another series and is currently waiting for volume 11 of Haganai before he can officially work on another story.
Do you have sources for any of this, incidentally? I find it doubtful that he is waiting on Haganai 11 to continue working on other stories, as his other projects were with completely unrelated companies (and he wouldn't screw over his contract with them because of a dispute with Media Factory). Also, I don't think there was every any official comment about what illness or other condition he had, other than all of his work for every company stopped. I haven't heard it mentioned anywhere that he was signed up for any other projects since. From all appearances, anyway, he simply gave up drawing for whatever reason.
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