Accel World - Light Novel Discussion

[darkone45]

Originally Posted by IceHism

It's from oricon. There's an MAL user who always posts these weekly sales for anime BDs, LNs, and Manga.

32k in 1 day. it'll prob just go to its normal 80k by end of 2nd week.

so I'm guessing 80k is good thing for the novel right ?

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by darkone45

so I'm guessing 80k is good thing for the novel right ?

Yes. It's very good.

[judasmartel]

So anyways, I have three questions.

1. How do you think would Petit Paquet members fit into NN's strategy? We already know that Prominence members solve NN's lack of long-range firepower.

2. Can Silver Crow assume ICBM duties like Sky Raker with his Aviation ability, or is he suited better for main combat, considering that he is the MC? Remember, he can no longer go Beast Mode or Metatron Mode, so asides from swooping up in the air then lunging on the opponent from above, I could see nothing else for him asides ICBM duties.

3. Is Lime Bell a suitable DA for Raker's ICBM tactic?

[judasmartel]

Originally Posted by orpheus2

I would love to see her reaction to Silver Crow's real life self.

Maybe AV will beat him up IRL or something?

[tuckersister]

When do you think AV and the others will be put into the main storyline?

[judasmartel]

Originally Posted by tuckersister

When do you think AV and the others will be put into the main storyline?

Maybe in the next volume, maybe never.

I just wonder how exactly AV and Petit Paquet members will fit into NN.

[tuckersister]

Your guess is as good as mine.

[Tusjecht]

Originally Posted by judasmartel

So anyways, I have three questions.

1. How do you think would Petit Paquet members fit into NN's strategy? We already know that Prominence members solve NN's lack of long-range firepower.

2. Can Silver Crow assume ICBM duties like Sky Raker with his Aviation ability, or is he suited better for main combat, considering that he is the MC? Remember, he can no longer go Beast Mode or Metatron Mode, so asides from swooping up in the air then lunging on the opponent from above, I could see nothing else for him asides ICBM duties.

3. Is Lime Bell a suitable DA for Raker's ICBM tactic?

I have no clue what Mint Mitten does, but Avocado Avoider is essentially a carrier tank: the space inside of him can hold teammates safe from outside intervention while he goes through...through anything.

Possible. NN has never been stronger ever since they possess both of the only two flight abilities; it could make some good combos.

Of course. Raker whiffed a jump? Bell will undo her error and refund her Special Gauge too! Injured while in combat? Friendly neighbourhood bell-wielding Bell is on the job!

[judasmartel]

Originally Posted by Tusjecht

I have no clue what Mint Mitten does, but Avocado Avoider is essentially a carrier tank: the space inside of him can hold teammates safe from outside intervention while he goes through...through anything.

That's one tank. More to go.

Still expecting Kawahara-sensei to include AV into the canon storyline though.

Originally Posted by Tusjecht

Possible. NN has never been stronger ever since they possess both of the only two flight abilities; it could make some good combos.

Interesting.

I can see NN's general battle strategy as something like this:

Melee - Black Lotus, non-ICBM Silver Crow, Blood Leopard and the other Prominence melees, and Aluminum Valkyrie (assuming Kawahara-sensei includes him in the canon storyline)
Ranged - Scarlet Rain and the other Prominence ranged
Tank - Avocado Avoider, Cyan Pile and non-ICBM Lime Bell
ICBM - Sky Raker / Ardor Maiden and ICBM Silver Crow / ICBM Lime Bell

Raker and Crow on ICBM duties is really awesome. Raker could just skip the opponent's melees and drop a fully-casted Maiden on top of the opponent's ranged DAs, Crow would just carry Bell in mid-air while they hover around injured allies Avoider could not carry, or simply summon Enemies on top of the opponent's DAs.

Still don't know how AV's fellow members would fit into NN should they enter the legion though.

Originally Posted by Tusjecht

Of course. Raker whiffed a jump? Bell will undo her error and refund her Special Gauge too! Injured while in combat? Friendly neighbourhood bell-wielding Bell is on the job!

I knew it. Bell's time reversal ability is just that broken.

[tuckersister]

Originally Posted by judasmartel

That's one tank. More to go.

Still expecting Kawahara-sensei to include AV into the canon storyline though.



Interesting.

I can see NN's general battle strategy as something like this:

Melee - Black Lotus, Blood Leopard and the other Prominence melees, and Aluminum Valkyrie (assuming Kawahara-sensei includes him in the canon storyline)
Ranged - Scarlet Rain and the other Prominence ranged
Tank - Avocado Avoider, Cyan Pile and non-ICBM Lime Bell
ICBM - Sky Raker / Ardor Maiden and Silver Crow / ICBM Lime Bell

Raker and Crow on ICBM duties is really awesome. Raker could just skip the opponent's melees and drop a fully-casted Maiden on top of the opponent's ranged DAs, Crow would just carry Bell in mid-air while they hover around injured allies Avoider could not carry, or simply summon Enemies on top of the opponent's DAs.

Still don't know how AV's fellow members would fit into NN should they enter the legion though.



I knew it. Bell's time reversal ability is just that broken.

Bell's is just broken and we still don't know the full capacity.

[Flere821]

Chinese translations for Vol19 has started, currently up to Ch2 I haven't read the spoilers in this thread yet, so don't expect me to be able to answer everything:

Spoiler for Ch1-2 fun bits, HEAVY SPOILERS, basically infodump and not a substitute for narrative:

-Graphite Edge got out of 'eternal Enemy PK' three years ago shortly after NN got wiped by the 4 gods. Raker was pissed Edge never got back to them about how he escaped, seeing as Maiden went to train up her AoE Incarnation destruction move so she can go after Genbu, and those moves generally tap into destructive mindsets that could swallow the user up. Short version, Edge basically got out by breaking the seal inside the gate from the outside.

Long version: first off, a recap of IS skills pre-Vol19. Basically had 2 levels, at #1 you have four variants, '(shooting) Range Extend', 'Movement Extend', 'Power Extend', and 'Defence Extend'. At #2 you have combinations of the four that gives effects to beyond just those first four kinds. Also, 'Override' is making what's impossible possible with IS, while 'Zero Fill' is the opposite where your own thoughts make you incapable of doing what's possible.

A Third level of IS was revealed to be possible by Edge, and confirmed by Metatron: direct interference with data, outright changing the numerical values of the 'game', described as practically having access to the developer's console. Metatron says this is by accessing the 'Highest Level' of BB, and where Haru a few volumes ago when he went there could only locate other avatars, a more skilled user can basically warp (virtual) reality - mastering it makes you God of BB. Edge has limited expertise with 3rd Level, and imagined his black sword into being a mono-molecular sword, went through the gap between the Gate (Had to be the gap, the Gate is IS-proof and even when trying to mess with the Gate's data with 3rd Level IS the data resets to 100% durability) and broke the seal on the inside. This is after he lost count of how many times dying to Genbu, repeating being revived for 3 seconds to try something before Genbu stomped him. Oh, and fun fact, this 'ultimate move' of Edge's is called 'The Elucidator' xD

Also practically confirmed, White Cosmos has either mastered 3rd Level IS or close enough; Edge says a feat of such a master would be to nuke the entire area with a toy gun - basically what Cosmos demonstrated with Red Rider's dud weapon to Lotus. Ch2 also supports Cosmos' threat level with Niko saying her 'pressure' was insane even though Cosmos' avatar at that time was a audience type with 0 stats.

Ch1 ended with Edge promising he'll tell them about the Fluctuating Light, and they can go straight there.

Ch2 basically introducing the other members of Triplex, and ends with Niko saying she's planning on fusing Prominence with NN.

[judasmartel]

Originally Posted by Flere821

Chinese translations for Vol19 has started, currently up to Ch2 I haven't read the spoilers in this thread yet, so don't expect me to be able to answer everything:

Spoiler for Ch1-2 fun bits, HEAVY SPOILERS, basically infodump and not a substitute for narrative:

-Graphite Edge got out of 'eternal Enemy PK' three years ago shortly after NN got wiped by the 4 gods. Raker was pissed Edge never got back to them about how he escaped, seeing as Maiden went to train up her AoE Incarnation destruction move so she can go after Genbu, and those moves generally tap into destructive mindsets that could swallow the user up. Short version, Edge basically got out by breaking the seal inside the gate from the outside.

Long version: first off, a recap of IS skills pre-Vol19. Basically had 2 levels, at #1 you have four variants, '(shooting) Range Extend', 'Movement Extend', 'Power Extend', and 'Defence Extend'. At #2 you have combinations of the four that gives effects to beyond just those first four kinds. Also, 'Override' is making what's impossible possible with IS, while 'Zero Fill' is the opposite where your own thoughts make you incapable of doing what's possible.

A Third level of IS was revealed to be possible by Edge, and confirmed by Metatron: direct interference with data, outright changing the numerical values of the 'game', described as practically having access to the developer's console. Metatron says this is by accessing the 'Highest Level' of BB, and where Haru a few volumes ago when he went there could only locate other avatars, a more skilled user can basically warp (virtual) reality - mastering it makes you God of BB. Edge has limited expertise with 3rd Level, and imagined his black sword into being a mono-molecular sword, went through the gap between the Gate (Had to be the gap, the Gate is IS-proof and even when trying to mess with the Gate's data with 3rd Level IS the data resets to 100% durability) and broke the seal on the inside. This is after he lost count of how many times dying to Genbu, repeating being revived for 3 seconds to try something before Genbu stomped him. Oh, and fun fact, this 'ultimate move' of Edge's is called 'The Elucidator' xD

Also practically confirmed, White Cosmos has either mastered 3rd Level IS or close enough; Edge says a feat of such a master would be to nuke the entire area with a toy gun - basically what Cosmos demonstrated with Red Rider's dud weapon to Lotus. Ch2 also supports Cosmos' threat level with Niko saying her 'pressure' was insane even though Cosmos' avatar at that time was a audience type with 0 stats.

Ch1 ended with Edge promising he'll tell them about the Fluctuating Light, and they can go straight there.

Ch2 basically introducing the other members of Triplex, and ends with Niko saying she's planning on fusing Prominence with NN.

GE is now basically the Kirito of the AW Universe.

[darkone45]

Originally Posted by Flere821

Chinese translations for Vol19 has started, currently up to Ch2 I haven't read the spoilers in this thread yet, so don't expect me to be able to answer everything:

Spoiler for Ch1-2 fun bits, HEAVY SPOILERS, basically infodump and not a substitute for narrative:

-Graphite Edge got out of 'eternal Enemy PK' three years ago shortly after NN got wiped by the 4 gods. Raker was pissed Edge never got back to them about how he escaped, seeing as Maiden went to train up her AoE Incarnation destruction move so she can go after Genbu, and those moves generally tap into destructive mindsets that could swallow the user up. Short version, Edge basically got out by breaking the seal inside the gate from the outside.

Long version: first off, a recap of IS skills pre-Vol19. Basically had 2 levels, at #1 you have four variants, '(shooting) Range Extend', 'Movement Extend', 'Power Extend', and 'Defence Extend'. At #2 you have combinations of the four that gives effects to beyond just those first four kinds. Also, 'Override' is making what's impossible possible with IS, while 'Zero Fill' is the opposite where your own thoughts make you incapable of doing what's possible.

A Third level of IS was revealed to be possible by Edge, and confirmed by Metatron: direct interference with data, outright changing the numerical values of the 'game', described as practically having access to the developer's console. Metatron says this is by accessing the 'Highest Level' of BB, and where Haru a few volumes ago when he went there could only locate other avatars, a more skilled user can basically warp (virtual) reality - mastering it makes you God of BB. Edge has limited expertise with 3rd Level, and imagined his black sword into being a mono-molecular sword, went through the gap between the Gate (Had to be the gap, the Gate is IS-proof and even when trying to mess with the Gate's data with 3rd Level IS the data resets to 100% durability) and broke the seal on the inside. This is after he lost count of how many times dying to Genbu, repeating being revived for 3 seconds to try something before Genbu stomped him. Oh, and fun fact, this 'ultimate move' of Edge's is called 'The Elucidator' xD

Also practically confirmed, White Cosmos has either mastered 3rd Level IS or close enough; Edge says a feat of such a master would be to nuke the entire area with a toy gun - basically what Cosmos demonstrated with Red Rider's dud weapon to Lotus. Ch2 also supports Cosmos' threat level with Niko saying her 'pressure' was insane even though Cosmos' avatar at that time was a audience type with 0 stats.

Ch1 ended with Edge promising he'll tell them about the Fluctuating Light, and they can go straight there.

Ch2 basically introducing the other members of Triplex, and ends with Niko saying she's planning on fusing Prominence with NN.

what about the thing with haru and fuuko that was in the illustration ? and it looks like white cosmos is sounding more and more OP then Blue knight himself

[tuckersister]

Originally Posted by judasmartel

GE is now basically the Kirito of the AW Universe.

Is really THAT obvious?

It seems the "3rd Level" is the only way to fight Cosmos. NN will have to learn and utilize it soon.

Also, what is the "Triplex"? (sorry, it's been awhile.)

[judasmartel]

Originally Posted by tuckersister

Is really THAT obvious?

It seems the "3rd Level" is the only way to fight Cosmos. NN will have to learn and utilize it soon.

Also, what is the "Triplex"? (sorry, it's been awhile.)

- Yes, it is. This is why a lot of people still connect GE to Kirito, to the point that GE might actually be Kirito himself or his son or his protege.

- Seems like Black Lotus and Silver Crow can learn 3rd Level IS, but is there anyone else in NN who can do this?
-- Lotus as the Black King and a Level 9 probably knows Lv3 IS already, or is in the process of learning it.
-- Crow, on the other hand, was a previous Chrome Disaster, and he's pretty deep in the process of learning IS, but I just don't see him going that deep yet.

- The Triplex are basically the three strongest lieutenants of Prominence: Blood Leopard, Thistle Porcupine, and Cassis Mouse.

[Parousia]

Originally Posted by Flere821

Chinese translations for Vol19 has started, currently up to Ch2 I haven't read the spoilers in this thread yet, so don't expect me to be able to answer everything:

Spoiler for Ch1-2 fun bits, HEAVY SPOILERS, basically infodump and not a substitute for narrative:

-Graphite Edge got out of 'eternal Enemy PK' three years ago shortly after NN got wiped by the 4 gods. Raker was pissed Edge never got back to them about how he escaped, seeing as Maiden went to train up her AoE Incarnation destruction move so she can go after Genbu, and those moves generally tap into destructive mindsets that could swallow the user up. Short version, Edge basically got out by breaking the seal inside the gate from the outside.

Long version: first off, a recap of IS skills pre-Vol19. Basically had 2 levels, at #1 you have four variants, '(shooting) Range Extend', 'Movement Extend', 'Power Extend', and 'Defence Extend'. At #2 you have combinations of the four that gives effects to beyond just those first four kinds. Also, 'Override' is making what's impossible possible with IS, while 'Zero Fill' is the opposite where your own thoughts make you incapable of doing what's possible.

A Third level of IS was revealed to be possible by Edge, and confirmed by Metatron: direct interference with data, outright changing the numerical values of the 'game', described as practically having access to the developer's console. Metatron says this is by accessing the 'Highest Level' of BB, and where Haru a few volumes ago when he went there could only locate other avatars, a more skilled user can basically warp (virtual) reality - mastering it makes you God of BB. Edge has limited expertise with 3rd Level, and imagined his black sword into being a mono-molecular sword, went through the gap between the Gate (Had to be the gap, the Gate is IS-proof and even when trying to mess with the Gate's data with 3rd Level IS the data resets to 100% durability) and broke the seal on the inside. This is after he lost count of how many times dying to Genbu, repeating being revived for 3 seconds to try something before Genbu stomped him. Oh, and fun fact, this 'ultimate move' of Edge's is called 'The Elucidator' xD

Also practically confirmed, White Cosmos has either mastered 3rd Level IS or close enough; Edge says a feat of such a master would be to nuke the entire area with a toy gun - basically what Cosmos demonstrated with Red Rider's dud weapon to Lotus. Ch2 also supports Cosmos' threat level with Niko saying her 'pressure' was insane even though Cosmos' avatar at that time was a audience type with 0 stats.

Ch1 ended with Edge promising he'll tell them about the Fluctuating Light, and they can go straight there.

Ch2 basically introducing the other members of Triplex, and ends with Niko saying she's planning on fusing Prominence with NN.

So Cosmos is the most well versed in knowledge about the three games, then next would be GE or Green Grandee(What happened to him? I'm not seeing his name anymore.)

[Tusjecht]

Spoiler for Response:

Welp, looks like the new legion is going to be called Nega Prominence?

At this point when I read about Edge turning his sword into a monomolecular thingamajig, I'm sorry but I want to rant: AW stopped being a game long ago. Now it's all about who can BS more with the power of their imagination. It was tear-jerking and inspirational when it was about Haruyuki overcoming his weaknesses, but nope it's all about which girl throws themselves at him now on the path to HS DxD, or how more OP you can get with the powah of frensheep. /rant

Originally Posted by judasmartel

-- Lotus as the Black King and a Level 9 probably knows Lv3 IS already, or is in the process of learning it.
-- Crow, on the other hand, was a previous Chrome Disaster, and he's pretty deep in the process of learning IS, but I just don't see him going that deep yet.

Lotus knows, and Haruyuki is bound to figure it out sooner or later at the right time - in the middle of the Final Fight.

In case people don't know yet when Lotus showed her skill:

Spoiler:

In V8, she attempted to turn her sword-limb into a hand. Five fingers, wrist, you get the drift. It was her best attempt by far because she was with Haruyuki, and to her it meant that she could reach out and connect with someone at last.

[kazakiri]

Remember when crow forcefully refilled his special gauge when using "Gale Thruster" in volume 4? What if Crow was mistaken and that wasn't actually 'Movement Range Extension...

[Flere821]

Originally Posted by darkone45

what about the thing with haru and fuuko that was in the illustration ? and it looks like white cosmos is sounding more and more OP then Blue knight himself

The Haru and Fuuko bit isn't in the 1st 2 chapters, so I don't know. And as for Blue Knight, he got Worfed so hard

Spoiler for Worf:

Remember that bit where Edge said the Gate are IS-proof? He used Blue Knight as a example, that even with his max output with one of the 7 treasures he can't dent the thing.

Originally Posted by judasmartel

- Yes, it is. This is why a lot of people still connect GE to Kirito, to the point that GE might actually be Kirito himself or his son or his protege.

- Seems like Black Lotus and Silver Crow can learn 3rd Level IS, but is there anyone else in NN who can do this?
-- Lotus as the Black King and a Level 9 probably knows Lv3 IS already, or is in the process of learning it.
-- Crow, on the other hand, was a previous Chrome Disaster, and he's pretty deep in the process of learning IS, but I just don't see him going that deep yet.

- The Triplex are basically the three strongest lieutenants of Prominence: Blood Leopard, Thistle Porcupine, and Cassis Mouse.

Spoiler for reply:

On the Kirito thing, it's also revealed the only reason why Lotus knows Vorpal Strike, Starburst Stream and The Eclipse was because Edge taught her.

The only/main reason why Haru can access the Highest Level according to Metatron was because of being ex-CD.

BTW, the TLers use 'Cassis Moose', not mouse.

Originally Posted by Tusjecht

Spoiler for Response:

Welp, looks like the new legion is going to be called Nega Prominence?

At this point when I read about Edge turning his sword into a monomolecular thingamajig, I'm sorry but I want to rant: AW stopped being a game long ago. Now it's all about who can BS more with the power of their imagination. It was tear-jerking and inspirational when it was about Haruyuki overcoming his weaknesses, but nope it's all about which girl throws themselves at him now on the path to HS DxD, or how more OP you can get with the powah of frensheep. /rant

Spoiler for reply to rant:

The translations haven't got there yet, but according to the colour illustrations this point would be addressed: there's a reason why things seem counter-intuitive, that for a game spouting 'Same Level, Same Capabilities' you get OP things like IS moves and 7 treasures. Edge said this is a game, yet at the same time it is not, and there's a reason for that disconnect. From a in-story Watsonian POV it can be explained that the reason Haru is getting OP and into the point where your willpower can overcome hard limits is because he's getting closer to the truth of the BB setting. (and a callback/connection to SAO Alicization)

Can't refute the 'OMG Haru is getting more and more girls' thing though

[Tusjecht]

Originally Posted by kazakiri

Remember when crow forcefully refilled his special gauge when using "Gale Thruster" in volume 4? What if Crow was mistaken and that wasn't actually 'Movement Range Extension...

There's no need for that. Everyone knows that when you're about to kill the bad guy, your willpower receives a 9001% increase and will Overflow, culminating in a giant explosion that repeats three time in slow-mo and from different camera angles. Epic music in the background is mandatory.