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Chaos2Frozen · 2011-12-23, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Mentar

I think the main "problem" is that the arc was too good for ALL characters. All characters with the sole slight exception of Maria had their scenes of pure awesome, be it Nagi, Hina, A-Tan or Ayumu. It was high on drama, but _too much of it_. Now, the aftermath feels much much worse and completely lacking. But you can't pull a second Greece arc easily without resolving the entire show. Even the current semi-reset felt pretty forced already.

Well we don't really need another Greece Arc just yet, something like the Hotspring arc about Nagi's mom would do just nicely.

Come to think of it, isn't it high time we get a Maria-centric major arc?

musouka · 2011-12-23, 18:41

No offense meant to those partaking in the current discussion, but am I the only one that remembers how many complaints there were about the Greece arc and how people were longing for the Hakuou days of comedy?

The current arc hasn't exactly been lighting my fire either, but I don't think it's that different from the Golden Days of Yore, pre-Athena.

If you want to know my opinion, I think people have finally figured out that romance isn't really on the plate for this series (aka, it's Nagi end or bust, platonic or not) and thus their interest is fading. But that's not really the fault of the series itself, but of the expectations of those reading it.

Mentar · 2011-12-23, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

i wonder if hata did want to close out the manga with the Greek Island Arc but the editors convince him to continue?

No. It's well-known that "Royal Garden" was Hata's first story attempt (which was rejected). Hayate no Gotoku on the other hand was accepted, and so he finally weaved his initial Royal Garden storyline into HnG. Which is why he had the little problem to continue the main HnG story while discarding the damsel in distress lover from the Greece arc, to return to Nagi.

Athena was the "Nagi" of "Royal Garden", and he merely borrowed the HnG characters to flesh out the story. But I don't see any intention whatsoever of Hata to conclude HnG. Which is why there must not be another dramatic finisher before Nagi (who is clearly Hata's favorite) has been built up more. Unfortunately, the Nagi-centric arcs (think trillion mangas) are pretty lackluster.

Used Can · 2011-12-24, 02:37

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Originally Posted by musouka

but am I the only one that remembers how many complaints there were about the Greece arc and how people were longing for the Hakuou days of comedy?

Nope, you're not the only one.

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Originally Posted by musouka

If you want to know my opinion, I think people have finally figured out that romance isn't really on the plate for this series (aka, it's Nagi end or bust, platonic or not) and thus their interest is fading. But that's not really the fault of the series itself, but of the expectations of those reading it.

Personally, I don't like comparing this arc or any other to the Greece arc, because that one was particularly different from the rest of the story. I wouldn't compare it to Hina's birthday arc, because that one was of the high points of the series. However, if I were to compare it to, say... the Valentine's Day arc, the race arc, White Day's arc, the Segawa siblings arc, or Sakuya's birthday arc, this current arc is definitely lacklustre. Sure, it has its funny moments here and there, but in my opinion, it's been rather boring on average.

To put it another way, if these were the first chapters of HnG I wouldn't have bothered reading the rest.

Game8910 · 2011-12-24, 10:44

I do agree with mentar in the feel that the Greece Arc might have been TOO good that now that the series has gone back to what it was like before (but less interesting) have hurt its enjoyment.

However in a lot of mangas, the authors always seem to throw very big climaxes in the stories at the halfway point of the series. Which makes me wonder if Hayate has only just reached the halfway point of its full run.

On somewhat related news, has anyone else hear of the new Hayate spin-off manga? Anyone have any details on what its about?

Shadow5YA · 2011-12-24, 18:45

The problem is that Mikado isn't a very threatening villain. We know he's a douchebag who got Athena involved in that mess and he disinherited his own granddaughter, but he isn't really forcing his influence down on Nagi at all.

The move to the apartments is supposed to be a big change to the lives of the main cast, but in reality nothing has changed at all. Nagi still has the luxury to do what she wants, Maria takes care of Nagi, and Hayate still does everything else. Maria even went back to their old mansion for soil, and Mikado never did anything about it.

Everyone is still living their ideal lives. Nagi still can live like a stereotypical otaku, and Hayate gets to take care of Nagi and Athena. There really is no reason for them to overthrow Mikado's conspiracy, whatever it may be, because their lives aren't being affected right now.

GDB · 2011-12-25, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Game8910

On somewhat related news, has anyone else hear of the new Hayate spin-off manga? Anyone have any details on what its about?

My understanding is that it's just a 4-6 koma thing, like what you see at the beginning and end of each volume. In other words, pure humor, nothing substantial at all.

AnimeFangirl · 2011-12-25, 17:04

Hata has a number of those on his webpage as well. Maybe he's collecting and publishing those?

Rah · 2011-12-29, 16:42

IMHO, Hata should focus more on the serious aspect of the series that he created during the EoTW & Greek arcs, and not go back to its roots by flooding it with senseless comedy and uninteresting slice of life one-shots (short stories that span a single, sometimes 2 chapters, like Nagi's adventure to eat ramen or whatever).

He's basically burning time until something eventful happens again. Nagi's second manga debut / competition, Athena reverting back to normal, Mikado & Midas' plans unfolding, etc...

Still, he could have made some other interesting arc in the meantime. At least something meaningful, and not just chapters that show off how awesome Hayate is, how cute the girls are (stick figures, new art style, lol), and other random comedy that's passed on as character development.

At the very least he should try and make it live to its name as "the combat butler". Seriously, do something! Even the earlier chapters had more spice to it than what we see now. But don't get me wrong. The Luca arc was okay. I just disagree with the one-shot chapters and the whole mangaka training thing.

I think that a whole year and a half have already passed since the ending of the Greek arc. That's a lot of time...

Besides new character introduction (which took too long), I see no reason why not do a short time skip. Hell, even a long time skip wouldn't be bad. Something like OP or Bleach. A few years, redesign the characters, add more maturity, and so on. That would be interesting to see.

But sadly, that isn't in Hata's plans. I think the manga is due to end by this year's end. And I do mean manga time. Yeah, it's been ongoing for quite a few years in real time, but only a few months have passed in manga time...

Ah, whatever, we'll see...

<___<

Happy new year, btw~

=P

ChronoReverse · 2011-12-30, 15:10

Hiatus! Two months too =(

At least Izumi was cute this chapter =/

Rah · 2011-12-30, 15:23

Nope. This chapter was a complete disappointment.

I was hoping that we'd get something awesome like the Izumi arc before EoTW, but... seriously? This? Only Hayate? And all they did was eat cake? Where are Miki and Risa? The hell is this?

I really hope that this two month hiatus will do the manga some good. I really, really, really do...

Anh_Minh · 2011-12-30, 15:56

I rather like those slice of life chapters. I'm not in a hurry to get back to the plot, though I'm sure I'll get excited when it happens.

Lisemer · 2011-12-30, 18:28

Wait, what did you say about a hiatus?

Chandalen · 2011-12-30, 20:32

Read the last page. On Hiatus till the 2/29 issue.

This makes one wonder what exactly is going on. Did it (the manga) receive to many complaints? Did Hata just have no idea what to do? One must wonder.

This chapter was cute at least, if a bit pointless. But it was at least more enjoyable than any of the 'nagi manga' arc.

Edit: I shouldn't say pointless... in some ways, yeah this bit of fluff is in the grand scheme of the story pointless, but it's definitely not pointless to the two involved right then.

I hope that this break will give time to figure out where the story needs to go from this point forward. I for one don't mind the slice of life bit, but at this point in the story its a bit late for it. Start tying off loose ends, and wrap the story up in another 100 or so chapters, and start on a new project.

Chaos2Frozen · 2011-12-30, 20:42

lol, I remember one of Hayate's 'charm' points is that he remembers EVERY girl's birthday

~Yami~ · 2011-12-30, 21:59

seriously Hayate... you should just get serious at one girl.... you're completely building a harem world for yourself... lol
Izumi is captured by Hayate

HasuMasu · 2011-12-31, 02:11

1. Cute chapter.
2. I see what Hata is trying to do with the hiatus+new project.
3. HINA HAS A NEW ALBUM!!!!!?????

Shadow5YA · 2011-12-31, 04:36

So... a Penguindrum, BokuTomo, Love Hina, and Persona 4 reference all in one chapter?

HasuMasu · 2011-12-31, 07:27

^ I haven't watched any of those so it's all lost on me.

Sol Falling · 2011-12-31, 09:04

^ Out of all of those, I've only watched Penguindrum, and I even missed that one too. I was like "wow, I must not have been reading very carefully". Maybe I should read it again, or maybe someone will bother to point it out.

On the hiatus: that kinda sucks, but then I wonder what a "weekly Hayate" is all about. And as for the chapter: okay, it was cute, but wow, Izumi, just wow.

2011-12-23, 18:41	Link #8602
musouka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	No offense meant to those partaking in the current discussion, but am I the only one that remembers how many complaints there were about the Greece arc and how people were longing for the Hakuou days of comedy? The current arc hasn't exactly been lighting my fire either, but I don't think it's that different from the Golden Days of Yore, pre-Athena. If you want to know my opinion, I think people have finally figured out that romance isn't really on the plate for this series (aka, it's Nagi end or bust, platonic or not) and thus their interest is fading. But that's not really the fault of the series itself, but of the expectations of those reading it. __________________ 雨の日も晴れの日もいつの日も愛してたそれだけは今もまだずっと変りはしない

2011-12-24, 10:44	Link #8605
Game8910 Shanacon/Ariafag Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: a room full of despair Age: 34	I do agree with mentar in the feel that the Greece Arc might have been TOO good that now that the series has gone back to what it was like before (but less interesting) have hurt its enjoyment. However in a lot of mangas, the authors always seem to throw very big climaxes in the stories at the halfway point of the series. Which makes me wonder if Hayate has only just reached the halfway point of its full run. On somewhat related news, has anyone else hear of the new Hayate spin-off manga? Anyone have any details on what its about? __________________ HEY GUYS BE NICE AND VISIT MY BLOG WILL YA? Latest Update: Spring 2011 Impressions (part1) Spring 2011 Impressions (part2)

2011-12-25, 17:04	Link #8608
AnimeFangirl Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The dog gossips too much.	Hata has a number of those on his webpage as well. Maybe he's collecting and publishing those? __________________

2011-12-29, 16:42	Link #8609
Rah Are you a lolicon? :3 Join Date: Aug 2009	IMHO, Hata should focus more on the serious aspect of the series that he created during the EoTW & Greek arcs, and not go back to its roots by flooding it with senseless comedy and uninteresting slice of life one-shots (short stories that span a single, sometimes 2 chapters, like Nagi's adventure to eat ramen or whatever). He's basically burning time until something eventful happens again. Nagi's second manga debut / competition, Athena reverting back to normal, Mikado & Midas' plans unfolding, etc... Still, he could have made some other interesting arc in the meantime. At least something meaningful, and not just chapters that show off how awesome Hayate is, how cute the girls are (stick figures, new art style, lol), and other random comedy that's passed on as character development. At the very least he should try and make it live to its name as "the combat butler". Seriously, do something! Even the earlier chapters had more spice to it than what we see now. But don't get me wrong. The Luca arc was okay. I just disagree with the one-shot chapters and the whole mangaka training thing. I think that a whole year and a half have already passed since the ending of the Greek arc. That's a lot of time... Besides new character introduction (which took too long), I see no reason why not do a short time skip. Hell, even a long time skip wouldn't be bad. Something like OP or Bleach. A few years, redesign the characters, add more maturity, and so on. That would be interesting to see. But sadly, that isn't in Hata's plans. I think the manga is due to end by this year's end. And I do mean manga time. Yeah, it's been ongoing for quite a few years in real time, but only a few months have passed in manga time... Ah, whatever, we'll see... <___< Happy new year, btw~ =P __________________ And then.. sharks eat them! Hahahahah!!

2011-12-30, 15:23	Link #8611
Rah Are you a lolicon? :3 Join Date: Aug 2009	Nope. This chapter was a complete disappointment. I was hoping that we'd get something awesome like the Izumi arc before EoTW, but... seriously? This? Only Hayate? And all they did was eat cake? Where are Miki and Risa? The hell is this? I really hope that this two month hiatus will do the manga some good. I really, really, really do... __________________ And then.. sharks eat them! Hahahahah!!

2011-12-24, 18:45	Link #8606
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	The problem is that Mikado isn't a very threatening villain. We know he's a douchebag who got Athena involved in that mess and he disinherited his own granddaughter, but he isn't really forcing his influence down on Nagi at all. The move to the apartments is supposed to be a big change to the lives of the main cast, but in reality nothing has changed at all. Nagi still has the luxury to do what she wants, Maria takes care of Nagi, and Hayate still does everything else. Maria even went back to their old mansion for soil, and Mikado never did anything about it. Everyone is still living their ideal lives. Nagi still can live like a stereotypical otaku, and Hayate gets to take care of Nagi and Athena. There really is no reason for them to overthrow Mikado's conspiracy, whatever it may be, because their lives aren't being affected right now.

2011-12-30, 15:10	Link #8610
ChronoReverse Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	Hiatus! Two months too =( At least Izumi was cute this chapter =/

2011-12-30, 15:56	Link #8612
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I rather like those slice of life chapters. I'm not in a hurry to get back to the plot, though I'm sure I'll get excited when it happens.

2011-12-30, 18:28	Link #8613
Lisemer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009	Wait, what did you say about a hiatus?

2011-12-30, 20:32	Link #8614
Chandalen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	Read the last page. On Hiatus till the 2/29 issue. This makes one wonder what exactly is going on. Did it (the manga) receive to many complaints? Did Hata just have no idea what to do? One must wonder. This chapter was cute at least, if a bit pointless. But it was at least more enjoyable than any of the 'nagi manga' arc. Edit: I shouldn't say pointless... in some ways, yeah this bit of fluff is in the grand scheme of the story pointless, but it's definitely not pointless to the two involved right then. I hope that this break will give time to figure out where the story needs to go from this point forward. I for one don't mind the slice of life bit, but at this point in the story its a bit late for it. Start tying off loose ends, and wrap the story up in another 100 or so chapters, and start on a new project. Last edited by Chandalen; 2011-12-30 at 20:36. Reason: added addtional thoughts.

2011-12-30, 20:42	Link #8615
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	lol, I remember one of Hayate's 'charm' points is that he remembers EVERY girl's birthday __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2011-12-30, 21:59	Link #8616
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	seriously Hayate... you should just get serious at one girl.... you're completely building a harem world for yourself... lol Izumi is captured by Hayate

2011-12-31, 02:11	Link #8617
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	1. Cute chapter. 2. I see what Hata is trying to do with the hiatus+new project. 3. HINA HAS A NEW ALBUM!!!!!????? __________________

2011-12-31, 04:36	Link #8618
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	So... a Penguindrum, BokuTomo, Love Hina, and Persona 4 reference all in one chapter?

2011-12-31, 07:27	Link #8619
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	^ I haven't watched any of those so it's all lost on me. __________________

2011-12-31, 09:04	Link #8620
Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	^ Out of all of those, I've only watched Penguindrum, and I even missed that one too. I was like "wow, I must not have been reading very carefully". Maybe I should read it again, or maybe someone will bother to point it out. On the hiatus: that kinda sucks, but then I wonder what a "weekly Hayate" is all about. And as for the chapter: okay, it was cute, but wow, Izumi, just wow.