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Perfect 10 | 55 | 43.65% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 39 | 30.95% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 17.46% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 5.56% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.79% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.79% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.79% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-05-12, 18:06 | Link #61 | |
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I'm personally fine with the location, however just because it's that same location in the novel doesn't mean it should be adapted that way. Last edited by Jarmel; 2012-05-12 at 18:16. |
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2012-05-12, 18:07 | Link #62 | |
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And for whoever posted above (as well as anyone else who was confused), yes this was straight from the opening interlude of volume 4. It is not from Heart of Freaks, which was essentially a side story showing him during his life with Natalia. Anyhow, I thought the emotion was stronger in this half than the first, and all of it worked better for me than in the novel. Edit: As for placement, they did actually move some events around. Kirei hadn't killed Tokiomi yet in the novels. However, I think this all makes a stronger thematic comparison between the two of them, with both having their fathers and father figures killed. Last edited by Doria; 2012-05-12 at 18:09. Reason: addition |
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2012-05-12, 18:15 | Link #63 |
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I don't know. I trust in Urobuchi Gen as the writer behind this, so if he thought that understanding Kiritsugu character was important enough to have the flashback placed just before the last spurt for the series then it must actually have some significance.
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2012-05-12, 19:08 | Link #64 | |
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... but I feel that it has come too late. I agree with the sentiment that Kitsurugi's story should have been told before now, and now that I've thought about it, I feel like it would have been a very nice OVA or promo or something to promote the series before it airs. Kotomine Kirei's story has been a lot more prevalent, and we've been privy to a considerable amount of his thoughts before kiritsugu. The arc itself is pretty good, but it just feels rather out of place. I feel like it's a lost in transition from different mediums. Last edited by AvianWing; 2012-05-13 at 12:02. |
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2012-05-12, 19:15 | Link #66 | |
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Also if you know about psychology - the way he handled the situation was pretty normal to me. Talking to Shirly - seemed normal as it brought up a main event in his life - that he'll never forget. The stress he had when he was a kid and regressing back would be normal. Someone that you are that emotionally connected to - even after death you'll still talk to them in private (even if you know they aren't there). Natalie is probably another person he'll think about from that point forward and possible have a thought about " did you see that kill.heh" No one is open about talking to people that are dead. however it happens all the time - its a way to cope or say things you'll never get to say to those that have passed. Psychologists will role play with clients and say "now if i'm "so and so" (who died) what would you want to say to me". I think if Kiritsugu was walking down the street talking to dead people - yeah he would need to end up in crazy persons home. I thought it was well done. A hero with a backstory of chaos. No one said he was perfect and it's those elements that make a character more interesting. |
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2012-05-12, 19:37 | Link #68 |
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Sad. Such a life filled with despair must have been the worst way of growing up. Once again, Kajiura doing some crazy stuff in the soundtrack, really enjoyed the way she portrayed the climax scene.
shoutouts to Touko's cigarettes. I'm starting to like Kiritsugu more after this episode. This has shown me how fucked up his young life was. I would have gone crazy very easily.
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2012-05-12, 19:40 | Link #69 | |
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2012-05-12, 19:45 | Link #70 |
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For Kiritsugu, he sure does live a messed up life anyway. He was trying to be heroic, but he ended up being like Natalia anyway. He seems to be cold and detached as he grew up, still looking for a way to end all wars.
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2012-05-12, 20:12 | Link #71 |
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Now that's the real deal.. the proper backstory for Kiritsugu, the dialogue that he having with Natali was so heartbreaking considering the outcome.
And I don't mind the placing for this flashback arc like many does, considering this might be the last moment for "change of pace" before the climax part of the series. I'd expecting the next complaint wave is about there is no room to breath with all of the battle, death, irony and twist for the last 7 episode. Hell even in these flashback episode, the mood not getting any brighter at all lol.
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2012-05-12, 20:51 | Link #74 | |
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2012-05-12, 20:58 | Link #75 | ||
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He sincerely believes he was doing the right thing, but it did not make it any less painful for him. He was crying because he was torn between his ideal and his feelings. |
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2012-05-12, 21:37 | Link #76 | |
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2012-05-12, 21:41 | Link #77 |
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Yeah, what people are saying about it being a little unclear for non-novel readers to tell that he was a main character makes sense. It's really hard to come at the anime without keeping the books in mind, if you've read them, since they influence your whole views of the characters.
And the anime does set up to be more of an ensemble piece. I think it's always been clear that the rivalry/animosity between Kirei and Kiritsugu would be a central point of the series, but beyond that, the opening parts didn't really tell me that Kiritsugu specifically would be anything like a "main character." I'll be curious to see how people feel about this interlude after the entire series is over. I think it would be very difficult to finish it without including this material, but maybe other people will feel differently. Like the last episode, I thought the editing was done really nicely, in terms of what you see at various point, referenced against the dialogue and such. But yeah, it's really tough for the anime to characterize both him and Kirei, as someone above posted. Both are so very internalizing; that's not to say they're the same--I think it's pretty clear that Kirei is a "blank" that's slowly being filled (with evil, ha ha), while Kiritsugu does have emotions, but suppresses them in favor of the bigger goal. That said, as an anime viewer, there have been some episodes that were particularly Kiritsugu/Kirei-centric where it was just so uninvolving watching two essentially blank-faced characters operating totally on their own. Sometimes, I perversely think that Archer just wanted to see if he could find someone even more boring than Tokiomi, and then make him interesting... So in the end, these episodes helped to flesh out Kiritsugu somewhat, at least. |
2012-05-12, 22:09 | Link #78 |
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It was really worth it to watch these two episodes. They told enough about Kiritsugu. The guy is very lonely and that really sucks. Kiritsugu lost his friend and family. Kirei lost his wife. They both have some things in common.
I like Iri and Saber, but I don't see Kiristugu as part of the team. He is just so isolated. Anyway I'm looking forward to see when Kirei meets Kiristugu. Spoiler:
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2012-05-12, 22:15 | Link #80 | |
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And IMO this is the right place to put the flashback in - right after Kiritsugu demonstrates how ruthlessly efficient he is at killing his enemies. The flashback is meant to show us how Kiritsugu became the twisted being that he is. And you can't do that without first showing how twisted he is. |
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