Valvrave the Liberator 2 - Episode 6 Discussion / Poll

[monir]

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[Renegade334]

Spoiler for first half:

- Episode starts with a flashback to L-Elf's past, during what looks like to be an ambush against the Princess
- Back to present - the commandeered Dorssian ship is flying through a snowstorm and somewhere else the Princess is stumbling out of this vat seeing in the previous ep; some squares on her body are glowing green
- She talks to Cain about Magius and betrayal (I might have heard wrong, though)
- During a briefing/council of war with the other M77 crewmen/women, L-Elf shows a picture of a Soyuz-like rocket
- Haruto and the other teenagers suddenly realize their parents all figure on an employee list
- Back in Dorssia, the Princess secretly entrusts a letter to Kriemhild; mentions a "Mikhail"
- Cain's crew seems distraught/tight-lipped due to their teammate's "betrayal"
- In the meantime, the M77 crew is busy infiltrating a city in civilian attire, with Haruto and the other VVV pilots using trucks to move along
- Raizou's VVV is still lacking an Armstrong limb/cannon.
- Commandeered trucks are now infiltrating a Dorssia research compound...where Haruto's father is working
- Akira uses her VVV to hack into the rocket base's computer network and modify the CCTV system (remember the camera ploy at the end of the Speed movie?)
- The truck party meets with Kriemhild in a hangar, where she brings up the aforementioned "Mikhail"
- L-Elf runs out of the hangar, leaving part of the M77 crew and the Dorssia party alone; Haruto prevents his teammates from following him.

Hope I won't be interrupted while watching the second half... >_>
EDIT:

Spoiler for second half:

- L-Elf is pulling an assassin's creed on the Dorssian base (i.e. roof-running)
- In the meantime, A-drei arrives with a still-bodyswapped Saki at the captured Dorssian ship
- The M77 crew infiltrates the research compound, where they meet JIOR researchers working under lock and key...as well as Haruto's father
- Looks like the father is quite the Lloyd Asplund-like map scientist (with a dash of malice), in that he can be quite gleeful/insensitive about his work
- Elsewhere, A-drei finds nobody inside the captured ship, but Q-Vier sets off after finding something
- L-Elf is still busy infiltrating the base, but while gunning down sentinels the alarm is triggered
- Haruto's father is still (unashamedly) busy trying to win his son over...and gets punched by the latter
- Haruto bids farewell to his father, thus burning the bridges between them
- L-Elf finally reaches his destination - the Princess' room...whom he intends to break out of political imprisonment
- ED rolls in

Next ep preview to follow.

[MisaoFan]

Spoiler for Episode 6:

Man, why is this episode so fascinating! My hopes of seeing Haruto and L-Elf encountering the lost precious ones (his father and his childhood acquaintance respectively) in the same episode? Too bad Soichi's personality isn't what I expected to be, he's turning into a overly obsessive father and he's most likely evil. On the other hand, Liselotte is slowly becoming a Magius until L-Elf encounters her for another time after 10 years of separation. No traces of H-Neun to be found, he's probably dead I guess. Too bad the next episode is going to be cathartic (not in a happy way): A-Drei discovering the secret of Saki's bodyjacking gimmick and L-Elf receiving a ton of deathflags from what I gather. Wonder what will happen to Shoko?

[konart]

Originally Posted by Renegade334

Spoiler for first half:

- Episode starts with a flashback to L-Elf's past, during what looks like to be an ambush against the Princess
- Back to present - the commandeered Dorssian ship is flying through a snowstorm and somewhere else the Princess is stumbling out of this vat seeing in the previous ep; some squares on her body are glowing green
- She talks to Cain about Magius and betrayal (I might have heard wrong, though)
- During a briefing/council of war with the other M77 crewmen/women, L-Elf shows a picture of a Soyuz-like rocket
- Haruto and the other teenagers suddenly realize their parents all figure on an employee list
- Back in Dorssia, the Princess secretly entrusts a letter to Kriemhild; mentions a "Mikhail"
- Cain's crew seems distraught/tight-lipped due to their teammate's "betrayal"
- In the meantime, the M77 crew is busy infiltrating a city in civilian attire, with Haruto and the other VVV pilots using trucks to move along
- Raizou's VVV is still lacking an Armstrong limb/cannon.
- Commandeered trucks are now infiltrating a Dorssia research compound...where Haruto's father is working
- Akira uses her VVV to hack into the rocket base's computer network and modify the CCTV system (remember the camera ploy at the end of the Speed movie?)
- The truck party meets with Kriemhild in a hangar, where she brings up the aforementioned "Mikhail"
- L-Elf runs out of the hangar, leaving part of the M77 crew and the Dorssia party alone; Haruto prevents his teammates from following him.

Hope I won't be interrupted while watching the second half... >_>
EDIT:

Spoiler for second half:

- L-Elf is pulling an assassin's creed on the Dorssian base (i.e. roof-running)
- In the meantime, A-drei arrives with a still-bodyswapped Saki at the captured Dorssian ship
- The M77 crew infiltrates the research compound, where they meet JIOR researchers working under lock and key...as well as Haruto's father
- Looks like the father is quite the Lloyd Asplund-like map scientist (with a dash of malice), in that he can be quite gleeful/insensitive about his work
- Elsewhere, A-drei finds nobody inside the captured ship, but Q-Vier sets off after finding something
- L-Elf is still busy infiltrating the base, but while gunning down sentinels the alarm is triggered
- Haruto's father is still (unashamedly) busy trying to win his son over...and gets punched by the latter
- Haruto bids farewell to his father, thus burning the bridges between them
- L-Elf finally reaches his destination - the Princess' room...whom he intends to break out of political imprisonment
- ED rolls in

Next ep preview to follow.

Spoiler for Mikhail:

Subs are badly needed, but for some reason I think this is L-Elf's real name and Lis was the only one who knew it

UPD: oh, well... if only I finished watching the epidsode before posting - it is his name

[DevilHighDxD]

No wonder why L-elf landed in Dorssia, so it for his princess the whole time. A-drei x Saki ship sunk as quick as the preview began, L-elf get beaten up in the preview probably by Cain. Also Haruto's dad is pathetic, don't judge the book by cover but this time I was wrong.

Edit: when will Crunchyroll release the damn episode :/, usually when I get right back at home the episode was already released. I hope they know that I only paying because of Valvrave...

Edit: I swear Crunchyroll, if ep 6 isn't released by the time I return from the parent & teacher conferences I'm cancelling my subscription

[Fjoergyn]

We finally reveals real name xD

Haruto's father is another mad scientist of sunrise xD

[II Maestro]

Um~! Haruto's dad is um ... has a screw loose.

So L-elf has now meet with his princess.

[kuromitsu]

Yep, this show is getting more and more epic.

Spoiler for ep 6:

The revelation about Haruto and the rest of the students wasn't really a surprise, definitely not after last episode's revelations about Cain and the Magius, but I really hope that this was the last straw for Haruto and he'll finally get around making true to his words. The random future segments make me wonder, though...

Mmm yes, black-haired pretty boys with glasses. I much prefer uniforms but sometimes casual wear is good, too...

Apropos pretty boys, A-3 is going to have such a meltdown. I can't wait.

And then there's L-11 with Lieselotte. "Ore ni sarawaretekure!" ... uwaaahhh... dokidoki de kowaresou 100% love, HEY!

And Seki Toshihiko. SEKI TOSHIHIKO. Thank you.

Oh, and that tram/streetcar was so nostalgic. Some of its older brothers (fathers?) are still in use today around here...

[Cloudedmind]

Oh E-Elf..I mean Mikhail/Michael you have such a way with words.

This was a great episode. For once Haruto's talking sense and actually remembering his mission. Sadly, it looks like Haruto's dad turns out to be crazy in the head, or at least egotistical, although I did love his picture of "Haruto". So it looks like the student's or at least many of them were modified, but before they were even born and it looks like the scientist of the VVV project are they're biological parents or again at least for some of them. If it wasn't already confirmed before this letter has been signed, sealed and delivered that JIOR is really no better then Dorssia. At least Dorssia is open about what they do.

So E-Elf helps Jior not just for the Valvraves but to also create a path for Liesolette to escape to.

Also what happened to Raizo and Akira looking for Saki?! I guess it was a bust and they just came back to assist with the infiltration.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

Oh E-Elf..I mean Mikhail/Michael you have such a way with words.

Michael (like Michael Schumacher). (Assuming it's supposed to be Germanic because he's Dorssian, but then what's up with the random English...?)

But yes, what a way with words. XD That line was seriously *DOKI*...

[DevilHighDxD]

-So apparently Valvrave as we predicted WAS to used to created a new type of species.

-Haruto's father is... um... is a large son-con! Basically think father as Kyosuke and Haruto as Kirino in OreImo.

-The species that was meant to dominated the Earth & space to even the whole universe.

-The modification to the student was DNA and Runes manipulation.

-Before even Haruto or the other students was born, their parents already give permission to let their son & daughter to be used in the VVV project. Yes, EVEN SHOKO'S PARENT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. JIOR is just keep losting even more sympathy from me -_- and Shoko's father was no better...

Editorial: My Saki is right, ALL ADULTS ARE BASTARD and CAN'T BE TRUSTED in this anime.

Extra: The REAL scientific term for the Kamitsuki is homo sapiens novus. Eating other people's runes is same as we eat pig and chicken, they are being described as the top of the food chain, higher than human AKA ultimate life-form.

[Cloudedmind]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Michael (like Michael Schumacher). (Assuming it's supposed to be Germanic because he's Dorssian, but then what's up with the random English...?)

But yes, what a way with words. XD That line was seriously *DOKI*...

Technically it's both/either, Michael is the English and German version, where as Mikhail is the Russian version. And the way they're pronouncing it makes me think they're going for the Russian version. Though it's possible that in Japanese they're pronounced the same way.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

Technically it's both/either, Michael is the English and German version, where as Mikhail is the Russian version. And the way they're pronouncing it makes me think they're going for the Russian version. Though it's possible that in Japanese they're pronounced the same way.

"Michael" is not pronounced the same in English and a German, though, and the characters pronounce it according to the German version. "ミハエル". "Mikhail" is pronounced in a different way.

[Cloudedmind]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

"Michael" is not pronounced the same in English and a German, though, and the characters pronounce it according to the German version. "ミハエル". "Mikhail" is pronounced in a different way.

Hmm, but if I remember correctly the German and Russian versions are pronounced fairly similarly though, in their native languages. It's the English version that deviants a bit more. Personally, I prefer the Russian spelling. The show most likely is going for Michael. In the end they're just variations on the same name, which in the end is technically Hebrew, so clearly E-Elf is Jewish.

[Mad Pierrot]

Haruto's father is like the second coming of Senator Moses! He is so hilarious. Haruto punching him after six minutes of screentime just solidified how horrible he is. Please more of him!

Also, what's with Adrei's arm? Does he have now one made of glass? XD

On another note, L-Elf finally stopped looking so simple to me. That princess must be the mother of all shipsinkers.

Best episode of the season so far!

[LightDragonman]

Okay, now things are getting good.

What do you know, this show takes the whole cliche of the father abandoning his son to create a mecha and plays around with it, showing that said father obviously isn't exactly of the right mind.

And I just love how A-Drei inadvertently took Saki right back to her Valvrave's location. XD

[DuelGundam2099]

So the JIOR scientists working on VVV were forced (with some being willing) to genetically modify their children before they were born.... That is pretty low. This technically makes JIOR and Dorssia the Earth Alliance and ZAFT, but instead of a major disaster causing the war it was just "because we can!" Even the Vagans from Gundam Age had the excuse of "Mars Rays are giving us cancer!" At least in MSG Zeon had the "fight for independence" excuse. At least the factions in Wing and X didn't resort to human experimentation before there was a friggin' war and didn't go to war for "lol territory expansion!" Hell, at least in Code Geass there was only ONE side doing heinous actions (and even then you can mostly call it "Well the emperor made us do it!"). But Here? There is no legitimate reason either side is doing what they're doing! At all! Giant gap lo- Oh forget it I'll give them until the end to justify all this, but if they don't then this series will ruin whatever chance it had of getting an 8/10 from me. Other note:

-Kreimheld being a royalist? At least that snooping around payed off.
-VVV6 can hijack power lines? Does this mean it can not only control computers, but any machine? How does that work?
-Where is H-Neun?
-Okay, credit to this series for not having the "oh your mech's limb is gone? One episode in the hanger and it'll be good!" shtick.
-Oh hey Saki comes back next episode.
-Hijack a rocket? Why?
-Dorissan has been around for a millennium? Man this takes place very far into the future.
-Looks like Kyuma is getting some screen time which is somewhat good.

[mayumi]

Next episode will surely be interesting to watch with L-Elf and Liselotte / A-Drei and Saki. I don't think A-Drei will shoot her though. He didn't in the first episode either. He will likely want answers.

[KleenexGhost]

This is a step in the right direction for Haruto. At first I was expecting Gendo but Souichi's interactions with Haruto played out well. If only we knew more about him beforehand, then the scene would have had more weight. Oh well.

[Destined_Fate]

L-Elf, why must you set off the death flags for the Princess? At least let her do something awesome before the end.