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Generally in terms of velocity.
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2011-09-23, 16:42 | Link #16762 |
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but CERN themselves said they did it
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/...d_8695154.html http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011...d.html?_r=2&hp Edit: screw it, i decide make my own thread my self http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...50#post3777650
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2011-09-23, 17:00 | Link #16764 |
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Ars Technica has a pretty good article on the whole "faster than light neutrinos" thing.
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/...time-space.ars Bottom line: it's pretty exciting stuff and the detail of the measurements they have made is breath taking (they managed to measure continental drift!) but, and this is a big but, they are only human and as such it is possible that they have forgotten some variable that accounts for the 60ns or so difference. So I'm pretty excited about this but let's see how it pans out before asking for warp drives.
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2011-09-23, 17:02 | Link #16765 |
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of course you need to run the test again to see if this right. then again this will very BIG thing if this happens
anyway just continue to discuss on other thread so we dont waste another page for this
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2011-09-23, 18:00 | Link #16766 |
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This whole "speed of darkness" debate is pointless. Darkness does not physically exist, rendering the entire point moot. It's like asking what the speed of cold is. Both are the absence of something else, they do not "travel".
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2011-09-23, 18:03 | Link #16767 |
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There seem to be two schools of thought as to what could be done with this knowledge (if ever a practical use can be found): Time Travel, and High Speed Propulsion (FTL Drives).
Time Travel would seem to have serious problems associated with it in terms of paradoxes and the like (unless time travel actualy works like it does in Haruhi...blame the God Empress I suppose). FTL Drives allow for rapid movement of objects, not only around our own solar system, but to other solar systems. Of course the question is...just how much faster than light is their particle? 60 nanoseconds over how much distance verse say the distance verse a light year in a year's time?
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2011-09-23, 18:13 | Link #16768 | ||
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Someone answer me this question. If I were to instantly jump from my present location to any given star in the universe, would I not be traveling into the past on some level? |
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2011-09-23, 18:19 | Link #16769 | |
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You're probably thinking of Dark Energy, or Dark Matter. That's simply stuff we can't see, not "darkness". |
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2011-09-23, 18:46 | Link #16770 | |
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That's just nonsense. Everyone knows that if cold could move the phologistons inside of it would combust and melt.
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2011-09-23, 18:53 | Link #16771 | |
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What I meant to say, worded somewhat clumsily; is there a part of the universe in which there is no light whatsoever (total darkness)? Hasn't light infiltrated every reach of the universe, and some lightless portion would therefore be outside of it? |
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2011-09-23, 19:56 | Link #16772 | |
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But as I said, Dark matter is not "Darkness". Darkness doesn't exist. It's just like a Hole can't be said to exist. They are both just a lack of something. If you had a hole in the ground, and the wall collapsed, filling it up, but leaving another hole next to it, would you say the hole has moved? No, the earth moved, and a new hole was left where the earth was. But the hole has not moved. Likewise Darkness does not move. @Solace: Your physicist friend was clearly not much of a physicist, you don't even need to bring Relativity into it, it's an elementary problem. |
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2011-09-23, 20:03 | Link #16773 |
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Not much faster, rougly a few thousand meters per second extra. The distance they ran the experiment over was 730 km. The time difference was 60ns. With distance and speed of light given you can calculate the travel time of light, subtract the time difference and you have the travel time of the particle. Devide the distance by the particle travel time and you have the speed of the particle.
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Is there a physical boundary to the universe? And beyond it, is nothingness darkness? I suppose it's more philosophical at that point. |
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2011-09-23, 22:19 | Link #16777 | |
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This is easier to view from the perspective of an ant on a globe. the globe appears flat to him, but if he travels far enough he notices he's back where he started. If he develops binoculars, he notices the 'horizon effect' and begins to put together enough clues that he lives on a sphere in some larger space. That's roughly what we're doing in a 3-d perceivable universe. There are behaviors and clues we're collecting that imply a higher dimensional reality both at the quantum and the cosmological levels.
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Solar startups plough ahead despite Solyndra
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