Mahou Senki Lyrical Nanoha Force Manga Discussion

[Koveras Alvane]

Originally Posted by Lhklan

Best way to hurt someone with regeneration: Keep hurting them.

Alternatively, leave foreign objects within their bodies to make it harder to regenerate. ^^

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[Lhklan]

@Koveras
Or just move their heart a few centimeters away.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

Alternatively, leave foreign objects within their bodies to make it harder to regenerate. ^^

A handful advice considering Cypha, unlike Signum, is perfectly able to keep on fighting depite being stabbed in the guts xDU

Wonder if Cypha, in her rage, says something among the lines of "do you really think that's gonna work on me? I'm not as weak as you!"

[Justin_Brett]

So what kind of handicap will Signum have in their next fight? If being under physical rehabilitation still means she can dominate her, I don't know what else is left.

[WarpObscura]

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

Alternatively, leave foreign objects within their bodies to make it harder to regenerate. ^^

Assuming their regeneration is the "stupid" kind that lacks the required secondary powers to auto-correct for this, otherwise it won't work.

[Kaijo]

Their regeneration seems to be the kind they need to actually focus on and activate, almost like a healing spell. Answer: knock them out with a strong blow to the head.

I've said all along, that I think we give far too much credence to their regeneration abilities. We've seen exactly one person regenerate, and Cypha had to place her other hand on the spot and almost cast a spell to get her arm back. If Signum had kept up the pressure, Cypha might not have had time to get the arm back.

Also, turning into a lump of flesh seems to be the result of their regeneration going haywire, so I'm also betting they are very careful about how they use it.

[Koveras Alvane]

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

So what kind of handicap will Signum have in their next fight? If being under physical rehabilitation still means she can dominate her, I don't know what else is left.

Signum doesn't need another handicap yet, since (as Aki pointed out earlier) Cypha actually had a handicap this time: namely, fighting with Quinn's weapon rather than her own Divider/Reactor combo.

Originally Posted by WarpObscura

Assuming their regeneration is the "stupid" kind that lacks the required secondary powers to auto-correct for this, otherwise it won't work.

Well, Cypha is stated to have the ability to corrode metallic substances by simply touching them (hence the cracks on Laevatein the first time around), so yeah, those spikes wouldn't sit in for long if Signum didn't push the attack.

[Lhklan]

Originally Posted by WarpObscura

Assuming their regeneration is the "stupid" kind that lacks the required secondary powers to auto-correct for this, otherwise it won't work.

Well, seeing as the other experiments all turn into lump of flesh, the regeneration pretty much fall on the "stupid" kind.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

Well, Cypha is stated to have the ability to corrode metallic substances by simply touching them (hence the cracks on Laevatein the first time around), so yeah, those spikes wouldn't sit in for long if Signum didn't push the attack.

That is more likely because of Leavatein's magical nature though. If said spikes aren't magical, they'd stay there.

[Justin_Brett]

Signum doesn't need another handicap yet, since (as Aki pointed out earlier) Cypha actually had a handicap this time: namely, fighting with Quinn's weapon rather than her own Divider/Reactor combo.

That's irrelevant though, since she only had the opportunity for one attack.

[00-Raiser]

She was actually fighting with both her sword and Quinn's. Though it appears she hasn't reacted yet.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

I've said all along, that I think we give far too much credence to their regeneration abilities. We've seen exactly one person regenerate, and Cypha had to place her other hand on the spot and almost cast a spell to get her arm back. If Signum had kept up the pressure, Cypha might not have had time to get the arm back.

Following that train of tought, what would happen if Signum cuts both of Cypha's hands at the same time xD?

Altough, the regenerative ability seems to be a passive skill in the case of Tohma who got blasted by Nanoha's most powerfull attacks one after another and emerged from all of them without a scratch xD

Originally Posted by Keroko

That is more likely because of Leavatein's magical nature though. If said spikes aren't magical, they'd stay there.

But Koveras is right about Cypha's profile saying she has the ability to weaken and corrod metalic substances. Probably the only chances she had to demonstrate said ability were against Laevatein (despite the whole "Laevatein is made of magic" theory) and against Quinn when her Divider breaks while trying to decapitate Cypha. Since her only other onscreen opponents were Fate with beam swords and a colossal chunk of Ice she hasn't the chances to really showoff that skill, tough xDU

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

That's irrelevant though, since she only had the opportunity for one attack.

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

She was actually fighting with both her sword and Quinn's. Though it appears she hasn't reacted yet.

Cypha is already reacted, she's using Quinn's reacted divider and also one of her reacted sword (cause it's in "spiky villain weapon" mode instead of the "cool katana" one xDU

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Following that train of tought, what would happen if Signum cuts both of Cypha's hands at the same time xD?

Altough, the regenerative ability seems to be a passive skill in the case of Tohma who got blasted by Nanoha's most powerfull attacks one after another and emerged from all of them without a scratch xD

I would posit the line of thought that says we didn't actually see if Thoma took damage and then regenerated from it, or if he delinked the magic before it hurt him, or if he defended against it with shields or barriers.

Note that DeVille took several cuts from Fate that he didn't heal up. At least, not immediately.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

Note that DeVille took several cuts from Fate that he didn't heal up. At least, not immediately.

We didn't see him use his hands to "activate helaing" either. And becomes outright invulnerable when using Armorize xD

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

But Koveras is right about Cypha's profile saying she has the ability to weaken and corrod metalic substances. Probably the only chances she had to demonstrate said ability were against Laevatein (despite the whole "Laevatein is made of magic" theory) and against Quinn when her Divider breaks while trying to decapitate Cypha. Since her only other onscreen opponents were Fate with beam swords and a colossal chunk of Ice she hasn't the chances to really showoff that skill, tough xDU

Ah, I stand corrected then.

[Akiyoshi]

After long wait Chapter 24.5 has been finally translated in spanish so here's the usual modestly-written summary xD

Spoiler for Catch me if you can...:

Chapter 24 (Part 2)

- Caro on an armored Friedrich confirms Carter Grendel has fainted and Lolo is surrending to be arrested, meanwhile Signum and Cypha finally starts their fight...
- both women exchange a pair of blows and Cypha's attack is blocked by Signum's buckler shield. Cypha smuggily comments on the hardness of the AEC-Equipement. Latter Cypha notes that Signum's equipement apparently have an extra alloy that enhaces it's durability. Signum then uses her buckler's barrel to shoot small stakes at Cypha's stomach, the Huckebein swordswoman call them "silver bullets".
- Agito casts a function called "Hardened Armor" that creates an energy shield/barrier of sorts allowing Signum an opening for an attack but cypha quickly ruins the chance by using her divider and cutting the barrier, injuring Signum in the process. Only this time Signum doesn't remain still and quickly points her shield at Cypha's eye forcing her to step back allowing Signum and Agito to finally focus their efforts in unleashing their Karyuu Issen-AEC version.
- Cypha manages to hold her ground despite the magnitude of the attack but is surprised becase Agito de-unisoned and keeps bombarding her from behind while Signum attacks on the front and slash Cypha on the front torso. Cypha snaps and furiously grabs Signum's shield, cracking it by sheer force. Signum also reacts and both seem to engage in an unseen attack clash that generates a huge explosion.
- Tohma impressed by the events comments about recalling their training but Erio communicates and teels him to forgett the training for now and focus on doing a following and an wide area search.
- Signum apolgizes because Cypha escaped when she started with the bombarding, all that's left behind is one of Cypha's arms.

Despite the horrible desing of Signum's AEC-Equipement it seems to at least do a decent job in keeping her alive in the face of the monster of Cypha. The fight was ...mhhh.. ok... i hate to tell this but Signum managed to be much more imposing and cool on their first encounter than on this one. She was clearly the underdog defending and backing away constantly the attacks coming from Cypha, this is partially understandable due to her currently weakened condition but still a bit jarring.

There's also some inconsistencies on the fight or at least unexplained changes. Back on Ch. 7 we were witnesses of how utterly useless Agito's fire magic was against the Eclipse, yet in this Chapter Agito's solo bombarding seemed to have some great influence on the tide of the battle despite she was de-unisoned and attacking by just herself. This is continuation of Ch. 20 where Agito was somehow able to block attacks coming from Tohma's fully reacted Divider. What the hell happened? did she learned some way to make real fire? a new AoE spell that manages to pass trough magic cancellation? I want an explanation!

Well, on the good side, is nice to see Signum still being capable of defending herself, even if she's a little bit weaker and clumsier (gone is her gracefull and elegant fencing with Laevatein, her new enormous cleaver only allows her to do linear slashes, her versatility is compensated by the shooting shield but not by much and she seems to be almost totally relying on that thing). Seeing Cypha actually working to deal damage was somewhat satysfing. She escaped so i hope at least Signum manages to fully recover before her next fight so she can deliver her usuall askickery instead of a nerfed version of it.

P.S.- oh yeah, a little trivia:

When Signum is injured by Cypha, part of her Knight Clothing is damaged along with Agito's, but one panel after that, when she shoots Cypha to make her step back, her clothes are ok, then on the next panel are damaged again ...oops! xD

[bhl88]

lol Cypha's arm fell off.... wonder if the head should be removed too.

[ZeroIchiNi]

Cypha's lost an arm again... Is it the same arm? How many times will she lose it?

NAAAAAAAIL!!!

[Koveras Alvane]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

There's also some inconsistencies on the fight or at least unexplained changes. Back on Ch. 7 we were witnesses of how utterly useless Agito's fire magic was against the Eclipse, yet in this Chapter Agito's solo bombarding seemed to have some great influence on the tide of the battle despite she was de-unisoned and attacking by just herself. This is continuation of Ch. 20 where Agito was somehow able to block attacks coming from Tohma's fully reacted Divider. What the hell happened? did she learned some way to make real fire? a new AoE spell that manages to pass trough magic cancellation? I want an explanation!

Did Agito's fire do any actual damage to Cypha, though? Your summary read like it was only distracting her, making her split attention between Agito and Signum.

And IIRC Agito could make "real fire" all along.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

Did Agito's fire do any actual damage to Cypha, though? Your summary read like it was only distracting her, making her split attention between Agito and Signum.

Plausible, lol Signum is now a cheater too, tricking Cypha the same way she tricked her xDU

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

And IIRC Agito could make "real fire" all along.

Cypha managed to dispell her multi fireball spell, she wouldn't be able to do that if it was real fire.