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Follow up confirmation afterwards by the staff on the other hand... <_<
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Except that was still deep down. It wasn't his ONLY goal. Just when Mao broguht it out the way he did, everything else took a back seat for a little bit.
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What change, he's done nothing of change at this point. Hell, Nunnally had to be the one to restart the SAZ!! And what of Lelouch? Enacting rebellion and uprisings is change incarnate for pete's sake!!
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It isn't a good change though. He is holding back everything Suzaku (and technically Nunnally too) with what he is doing. It is hard to change peoples mind if they are always trying to be overthrown. TRYING to change something can also slow down another method of change.
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And he followed up on it, go watch Stage 9, go watch what he's done up til now for everyone at this point.
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The only thing he has done for people was manipulate them to get what HE wants. Nothing more. That was one of the reasons why he was betrayed just now. They tried to defend him early on, and guess what? All the evidence they were shown destroyed all their hope.
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You didn't listen to a word I said, that isn't the only thing concerning his motivation, he has many more reasonable aims as well. And he's not dragging anyone, they chose to follow him despite whatever they may believe about his Geass, that is the fundamental truth and hell, he's even cut them off entirely to prevent dragging them down in the end now.
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They followed him because he manipulated them to follow him. Geass isn't the only way to make people follow you. Pretty words and a few "miracles" are enough to do that.
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He doesn't want to die for nothing, what he wants is to bring down his father, to do something worthy of those who gave there lives for him by giving his life for them in an sense, fully expecting to die but in no way was he saying he's hoping for such. And you know what, we'll freaking see what he has left afterwards and what he'll do with his life should he survive.
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No, he wants to die whether he is successful or not right now. I will wait and see since this show can change so fast anyway. But as of RIGHT NOW, that is what he wants when he is done his goal.
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He's not like Suzaku at all, though they are extremely similar they are also fundamentally different and that has been the prevailing theme throughout this series.
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Oh no they aren't. The only differences between the two are the side they fight on and their methods. Other than that, their characters are really similar personality wise.
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Hah, okay... lets see, antagonizing best friend, causing the deaths of quite a few of his fellow country men that he has the audacity to say he's actually trying to help, doing absolutely zip in the way of change and instead is stuck on maintaining the status quo. I thought he was supposed to be similar to Lelouch? They basically wallow in tragedy, those two because often time then not they share the responsibility for them together <_<
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He was doing his job. He didn't know Lelouch was Zero at first. SO "antagonizing him" holds no merits.
As for the rest, again, different methods. ONe is of rebellion, the other is a slow process. Oh, and what has Lelouch changed so far during his rebellion? The Japanese are still oppressed and Japan is still a Britannian Colony. THAT is change?
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And yet he has the audacity to say otherwise, to say he wants to prevent deaths as a soldier whose life is based on it.
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True. But Suzaku always takes account for human life before he dos his job even now. He even told the EU in that battle to just surrender. They didn't, so he did what he had to do. He doesn't just kill for the joy of it. It isn't like he is Luciano.
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And who the hell brought up the bit with the Japanese leader anyway about his wrongs, why Lelouch that's who!!
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Suzaku did it first I am afraid.
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Oh and I'm sure that makes a lot of sense considering he makes it his business to stomp them out. Oh and his respect for the JLF sure didn't stop him from taking part in an operation that was meant to eliminate them. He has no right to take the high ground on anyone or anything, in my opinion at least 
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You are allowed to have your own opinion. As for fighting against them, he did that because he isn't going back on his word or his choices. He is reaping what he sows. He fights for Britannia now, he will do what it takes. Doesn't mean he has to LIKE it.
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At least the Civil Rights movement began in a government that had the capacity to change, which is not something I could say for Britannia, especially Britannia under Charles. There are some things that cannot be solved with the sword, but there are also things that cannot be solved without one.
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Except Charles is too busy doing other things and will be a liability. ANY country can change. Notice there aren't a whole lot of monarchies with full power anymore right? that means things can change. Things take TIME though. As for compacity for change, America is based off of taking from other people. Just ask the Native Americans we stole... well, everything from.Things and times change for every nation. Why should I believe Britannia would be any different?
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Oh and that makes him so much better, I'm really sure. You know, given that Kallen and the rest would have been turned to paste had it not been for Lelouch who saved them at the last second, and had it not been Suzaku who put them there in the first place!
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That is true. Except the part where Suzaku put them in that position. They put themselves in that situation by stealing C.C. heck, they were the reason Clovis ordered that massacre. Lelouch bailed them out, but that doesn't put Suzaku at fault.
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