kj1980
2005-08-19, 13:34
(all images used in this post is in compliance with the "freeweb" images provided by Omegavision under their copyrights and guidelines)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...fle_logo_m.gif
What is SHUFFLE!?
SHUFFLE! is an ero-game that was released on January 30, 2004. The pre-sales hype was mainly because of that this game was done by the new softhouse Navel, which consisted of staff members who broke off from BasiL, which included two famous illustrators - Suzuhira Hiro and Nishimata Aoi. However, one risky move that they did was that they sold their first game on the same date that Fate stay/night went on sale.
As the otaku world was in the hype of getting their hands on the limited first edition press of Fate stay/night on 2004/1/30, many thought that SHUFFLE! will be shoved into obscurity. To much surprise, the game sold pretty well. While of course it was no match for the sales of Fate stay/night, many otakus were buying their pre-ordered Fate with SHUFFLE! together.
Seeing that the majority of the members were from the staff that did BasiL's big hit Sore wa Maichiru Sakura no Youni, the game itself was interesting as well. It incorporated a what-if world in which angels, devils, and humans co-exist in a modern world in a way that appeals to moe otakus. Add that to the cute girls drawn beautifully by the talented illustrator duos Nishimata Aoi and Suzuhira Hiro, it was a matter of time that otakus started to notice this game.
The game is centered upon you - Tsuchimi Rin, and five other girls.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...lisianthus.jpg
Lisianthus is the daughter of the king of gods. She came to this world as a fiancee of Rin. Since her name is quite long, she prefers to be called Sia.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...con_nerine.jpg
Nerine is the daughter of the king of devils. She also came to this world as a fiancee of Rin. Her nickname also happens to be "Lin" (spelling intentionally altered to differentiate from Rin.)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...icon_kaede.jpg
Kaede Fuyou is Rin's osana-najimi (childhood friend). Currently she and Rin lives in the same house.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...0/icon_asa.jpg
Shigure Asa is a third-year student above Rin. She is the head of the cooking club at school. A "bokukko" (a girl who refers to herself as "boku"), while at the same time shows that she really is a cute girl.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...on_primula.jpg
Primula is a mysterious girl who only shows her true feelings to Rin. Her nickname is "Lim" (edit thanks to evil_samurai - will not write until explained in the anime)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...kingofgods.jpg
Eustoma is the king of gods, father to Sia.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...ngofdevils.jpg
Forbesii is the king of devils, father to Nerine.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...con_itsuki.jpg
Midoriha Itsuki is Rin's friend. Smart, lecherous, and an endless girl hunter.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...con_kareha.jpg
Kareha is a shinzoku (god race) and a friend to Asa-senpai. She seems to have a quite a huge imagination.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...con_mayumi.jpg
Mayumi=Thyme is a happa between a human and a devil (hence her distinctive heterochromia iridis). She is the classmate and friends with Rin, Kaede, Sia, and Nerine.
While the last two girls were not heroines in the original game, the PS2 version SHUFFLE! ON THE STAGE slated for release on October 20, 2005 will have Kareha senpai and Mayumi=Thyme as heroines.
Following the ero-game release, the manga serialization began on Comptiq magazine with the title SHUFLE! -DAYS IN THE BLOOM-.
On July 7, 2005, SHUFFLE! began its anime series on WOWOW, directed by Hosoda Naoto.
For those who are interested, official wallpapers, sample music, OP movies to games, trial editions, and other "freeweb" items can be downloaded from Navel's download section here:
http://www.project-navel.com/navel/service/downloads/
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LytHka
2005-08-19, 15:08
http://www.froth-bite.com/wiki/Projects/Shuffle
A few more details about characters and anime on Froth-Bite's wiki. It also contains Froth-Bite's translation notes.
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a03
2005-08-19, 21:38
i was just wondering if we have any source that says how many ep does shuffle have..?
according to Froth-Bite they said 24... but not sure if its reliable.... anidb says 0 and so does animenfo
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Diaphanus
2005-08-20, 12:15
More etymology:
"Forbesii" is a Neo-Latin name that means "of Forbesius," where "Forbesius" is a Latinization of the name "Forbes." Botanical Latin is pretty strict about Latinizing names that aren't in a Latinized form. When a non-Latinized name ends in a consonant (except "r" before" "e"), you add "-ii" at the end of the name to make it mean "of [whatever name]." The name "Anderson" would become "Andersonii" ("of Anderson"). (But my last name, "Miller," usually becomes "Milleri.")
That Shuffle Froth-Bite entry seems to be saying that "Primula" comes from "Middle Latin word prima rosa or first rose," but prima rosa is a phrase.
Moreover, although I definitely agree that prima is related to primula, I would say that "Primrose," not Primula, came from prima rosa. There is already a Latin word primula. It is the feminine form of primulus, and they both mean "first and small." Both words can be used as nouns to mean "first and small thing." Primula veris, meaning "small and little thing of spring," was used in Middle Latin to refer to the Cowslip and the Field Daisy. Linnaeus used the scientific name Primula veris, and assigned the Cowslip, the true Oxlip, and the Primrose as subspecies. However, later scientists assigned those three as different species within the Primula genus.
"Lisianthus" comes from Greek λύσις (lusis, meaning "a loosing," "a parting," "dissolution") and άνθος (anthos, meaning "flower"). Usually, "Lisianthus" is a masculine name, but it can become feminine if used to refer to a female person. Its plural is "Lisianthi."
"Lycoris" was the name of a mistress of the Roman writer Gaius Cornelius Gallus. Later, she became a mistress of Mark Antony.
"Nerine" is a form of "Nereis," a Nereid from classical mythology.
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sinistral
2005-08-20, 14:13
This thread is much needed.
What is the romanji of this?
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/3013/who2gt.jpg
What's her problem with Sia? I couldn't understand well... conflict with Sia's mother?
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MakotoFatora
2005-08-20, 15:37
What is the romanji of this?
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/3013/who2gt.jpg
What's her problem with Sia? I couldn't understand well... conflict with Sia's mother?
Unless I read it wrong (which is highly possible)...
...the kanji is "ura", which means the back side or reverse side of something...so the "other side of Sia"?
I don't know what context that snippet was used in so I don't know what it's getting at really...but that's the kanji anyway..
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evil-samurai
2005-08-21, 09:44
Question: So When does Shuffle Air? and How Long will the Show be?
SHUFFLE! Airs on TV in Japan at Friday 12:30AM on the Station "WOWOW"
SHUFFLE! Will be running for 24 episodes
source: AnimeDB (
http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.p...anime&aid=2844)
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Last_Hope
2005-08-21, 10:38
I have a spelling question for KKK Kaede-chan´s fanclub. Is it Kito or Kitto?
24 episodes? So it is confirmed?
Edit//
How old are the characters?
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Tabris
2005-08-21, 17:40
I believe they're 17. Don't ask me where I got it from, I'm sure I heard it somewhere, or I just want them to be 17. *shrugs*
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Tsukiyo
2005-08-21, 18:27
@Last_Hope-san
Kitto Kitto Kaede-chan
24 eps is what I saw in the official forums at Navel (original game producers).
The people at 2ch also believe so.
age:
Spoiler tags just in case.
In the game all the people have to be over 18 for some reasons concerning ethics.
In reality, since Asa, Kareha are seniors (in 12th grade), they should be 17-18.
Kaede, Sia, Nerine , Mayumi, Rin are one year younger.
Primula was just another year younger I think.
I'm too lazy to think about birthdays etc. Sorry ^^
Made a chart of how character's call each other.
http://tsukiyo.mpage.jp/shuffle_char...me_calling.htm
This is not the final edition. Some will change later on.
(Some are slightly diffrent from the game.)
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Tsukiyo
2005-08-21, 18:47
FAQ from
http://w2.makko.biz/~description/shuffle/
I'll start TLing these if it is okay...
Q: Why "Shuffle"?
A: Because heroines from many worlds are intermixed and gather around Rin.
Q: Is this story based on something?
A: An H-Game released in January 2004 by navel is the original. There is also a comic series and a novel series based on it.
Q: Are the books and comics also H?
A: They do not have H scenes.
Q: Who designed the characters?
A: Nishimata Aoi did Lisianthus, Kaede, Primula and Mayumi. Suzuhira Hiro did Nerine, Asa, Kareha, Nadesico, and the male characters.
Q: Are the voice actors the same people as the game?
A: Yes, except Rin who had no voice. However they are using different names.
Q: How many episodes?
A: 24.
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Morisato
2005-08-23, 03:16
I have a spelling question for KKK Kaede-chan´s fanclub. Is it Kito or Kitto?
24 episodes? So it is confirmed?
Edit//
How old are the characters?
16, green and blonde are 17, silver cat doll is 12. Old guys are in their 50's, green hair's mother is in late 20 (teenage pregnancy).
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xris
2005-08-23, 10:32
16, green and blonde are 17, silver cat doll is 12. Old guys are in their 50's, green hair's mother is in late 20 (teenage pregnancy).
Where did this info come from? Do you have a reference or is it just your opinion of their ages?
And please.... let's avoid those kind of "what does KKK mean" jokes.
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PGilis
2005-08-23, 11:49
16, green and blonde are 17, silver cat doll is 12. Old guys are in their 50's, green hair's mother is in late 20 (teenage pregnancy).
Actually, as far i can tell, ...
... Rin, Nerine, Sia, Mayumi and Itsuki are all 2nd-grade highschoolers, so that makes them 17 y.o.
Asa and Kahera are 3rd-grade highschoolers and their "sempai", so that makes them 18 y.o.
Primula just looks a 12 y.o. girl. You see, she is...
... an experiment between gods and devils, and the 3rd artificial being produced. And for some reason, all them have some age or aging disorder (call defective).
The first being produced was Ama-san. She acts and looks younger than she really is.
The second being produced was Licoris. She was aging very fast.
The third being produced was Primula. She looks to be aging at a slow pace.
All in all. Primula can look to be 12, but actually she is 16, just one year younger than Rin and the others.
The 1st best proof of this is, during the 6th episode, in her memories when Nerine(?) gave her the cat doll, she didn't look to be much older than her.
the 2nd proof is...
In the game, and probably later in the TV serie, Primula will join at Rin's school as a 1st-grade/freshman highschooler. She couldn't to make that if she was younger than 16.
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sinistral
2005-08-24, 12:35
@PGilis : Who is this Licoris? Care to explain? Or she doesn't appear in the game at all?
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NeoIllusions
2005-08-24, 13:35
@PGilis : Who is this Licoris? Care to explain? Or she doesn't appear in the game at all?
Lycoris is the second attempt by the Gods and Demons to create the strongest magical vessel. She is essentially a clone of Nerine but with a far shorter life span. Right before she passed away Lycoris was fused with Nerine. The "Nerine" that chibi Rin met with at the park eight years ago was actually Lyconis. Nerine inherited Lyconis's memories, including that of Rin, when they fused. In the OP, you can see two chibi blue-headed girls holding hands. That would be Lyconis and Nerine.
This was restating what I remembered from what other people posted in other threads, primarily that 58 page mega thread. If I stated something incorrectly, feel free to correct me.
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PGilis
2005-08-24, 14:50
Lycoris is the second attempt by the Gods and Demons to create the strongest magical vessel. She is essentially a clone of Nerine but with a far shorter life span. Right before she passed away Lycoris was fused with Nerine. The "Nerine" that chibi Rin met with at the park eight years ago was actually Lyconis. Nerine inherited Lyconis's memories, including that of Rin, when they fused. In the OP, you can see two chibi blue-headed girls holding hands. That would be Lyconis and Nerine.
This was restating what I remembered from what other people posted in other threads, primarily that 58 page mega thread. If I stated something incorrectly, feel free to correct me.
That's pretty accurated. Thanks for answer for me.
In the game, that's the scenario i liked the most.
It caused to Nerine pretty ANGST moments, because basically, she didn't fell in love for Rin by herself. Was someone else's memories taunting her.
And not only that. Her scenario was very important to Primula's and even Asa's scenarios too.
No wonder she was the chosen to make a sequel, namely: Tick Tack!
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NeoIllusions
2005-08-24, 15:07
That's pretty accurated. Thanks for answer for me.
In the game, that's the scenario i liked the most.
It caused to Nerine pretty ANGST moments, because basically, she didn't fell in love for Rin by herself. Was someone else's memories taunting her.
And not only that. Her scenario was very important to Primula's and even Asa's scenarios too.
No wonder she was the chosen to make a sequel, namely: Tick Tack!
Heh, I hope the anime follows fairly close with the game until the end. Explaination-wise at least. And btw, did you play the game before?
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kj1980
2005-08-24, 15:18
16, green and blonde are 17, silver cat doll is 12. Old guys are in their 50's, green hair's mother is in late 20 (teenage pregnancy).
Technically, they are all supposed to be over the age of eighteen, at least in the original game. Of course, that's a very bold technically.
Due to a revised Japanese law several years ago, ero-games are prohibited from depicting people who are under the age of eighteen have sexual intercourse. But of course, the loophole exists that "they obviously look under eighteen, but since we are not giving what age they are or that they are in high or middle school, it is okay." That's why many of the schools based on ero-games do not specifically say "high school." They usually are some sort of "campus" or "school." For example, the school that Sousuke and Chidori go to in FMP is specifically known as "Jindai High School," but the school that the characters in SHUFFLE! go to is known as "National Verbena Campus."
On the other hand, some of the restrictions are bit relaxed in the anime as they are allowed to describe the students as "high school students" who attend "National Verbena Campus." That would be a big no-no if it was described that way in the original ero-game from Navel.
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PGilis
2005-08-24, 19:54
Heh, I hope the anime follows fairly close with the game until the end. Explaination-wise at least. And btw, did you play the game before?
Yes, i did.
One day, i was checking getchu searching for new renai games when i found SHUFFLE! game (
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=24830) there. I saw the CGs and thought it was very beautiful. I had recognized the style from that artist from Basil. But then i saw Nerine... at that moment i was hooked. So cute!
And I love elfin ears!!
Then i read the description. It looked to me a very cute and interesting renai game. So i bought it from HIMEYA. And i love it!! I used that Nerine wallpaper in my PC for a loooong time.
When i saw the release of a TV serie based on it, i was very happy, of course!
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NeoIllusions
2005-08-24, 20:19
Yes, i did.
One day, i was checking getchu searching for new renai games when i found SHUFFLE! game (
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=24830) there. I saw the CGs and thought it was very beautiful. I had recognized the style from that artist from Basil. But then i saw Nerine... at that moment i was hooked. So cute!
And I love elfin ears!!
Then i read the description. It looked to me a very cute and interesting renai game. So i bought it from HIMEYA. And i love it!! I used that Nerine wallpaper in my PC for a loooong time.
When i saw the release of a TV serie based on it, i was very happy, of course!
Heh, I'd definitely get the game too if I could read Japanese. ;_;
What wallpaper did you use and do you have a larger version of your avatar?
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PGilis
2005-08-24, 21:00
Heh, I'd definitely get the game too if I could read Japanese. ;_;
What wallpaper did you use and do you have a larger version of your avatar?
As for the game, don't forget the project for a translation patch (
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=37472). It will save many of us from boredom.
The wallpaper i used for a long time was that on the Navel (
http://www.project-navel.com/)site, in the downloads session (
http://www.project-navel.com/navel/service/downloads). More precisely, this (
http://www.project-navel.com/navel/_...2_1024x768.jpg) one.
As for the larger version of my avatar, check the Suffle - Image & Wallpaper (
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...=38439)session. You will find many cute wallpapers there.
If you can't to find, ask me again.
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NeoIllusions
2005-08-24, 23:15
As for the game, don't forget the project for a translation patch (
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=37472). It will save many of us from boredom.
The wallpaper i used for a long time was that on the Navel (
http://www.project-navel.com/)site, in the downloads session (
http://www.project-navel.com/navel/service/downloads). More precisely, this (
http://www.project-navel.com/navel/_...2_1024x768.jpg) one.
As for the larger version of my avatar, check the Suffle - Image & Wallpaper (
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...=38439)session. You will find many cute wallpapers there.
If you can't to find, ask me again.
Thanks for all the links. I was able to find a lot of new wallpapers. ;D However I couldn't find the larger version of your avatar in the Images & Wallpapers session. Could you tell me who posted it so I can search that thread? Ty~ ^^
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AvatarST
2005-08-26, 10:40
How many episodes will Shuffle have? 13, 24, 26?
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xris
2005-08-26, 11:16
How many episodes will Shuffle have? 13, 24, 26?
Please read the first page of this thread. The question has been raised already and several people have given what they think will be the answer.
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Encoder
2005-08-27, 02:47
You could've just said 26. Anywho its 26. (Twenty-six).
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xris
2005-08-27, 03:45
You could've just said 26. Anywho its 26. (Twenty-six).
Except I don't know what the answer is, so it's best to read the comments left by people who have offered an opinion. And most of them seem to agree that it's not 26.
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Shinova
2005-08-28, 16:53
Wasn't the game ported back and forth across the PC, the PS2, etc? Could someone explain which version's which and what?
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dreamless
2005-08-28, 17:41
This thread is much needed.
What is the romanji of this?
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/3013/who2gt.jpg
What's her problem with Sia? I couldn't understand well... conflict with Sia's mother?
It means Inner Sia. There are actually a pair of twins existing in Sia's body. Sia is a god-devil hybrid, the "Outer Sia" is the Sia who has dominant god blood, and the dominant personality, while the Inner Sia is the Sia who has dominant devil blood, and the hidden personality. Inner Sia hates Outer Sia for being able to enjoy life while she can't do anything.
Actually, as far i can tell, ...
... Rin, Nerine, Sia, Mayumi and Itsuki are all 2nd-grade highschoolers, so that makes them 17 y.o.
Asa and Kahera are 3rd-grade highschoolers and their "sempai", so that makes them 18 y.o.
Primula just looks a 12 y.o. girl. You see, she is...
... an experiment between gods and devils, and the 3rd artificial being produced. And for some reason, all them have some age or aging disorder (call defective).
The first being produced was Ama-san. She acts and looks younger than she really is.
The second being produced was Licoris. She was aging very fast.
The third being produced was Primula. She looks to be aging at a slow pace.
All in all. Primula can look to be 12, but actually she is 16, just one year younger than Rin and the others.
The 1st best proof of this is, during the 6th episode, in her memories when Nerine(?) gave her the cat doll, she didn't look to be much older than her.
the 2nd proof is...
In the game, and probably later in the TV serie, Primula will join at Rin's school as a 1st-grade/freshman highschooler. She couldn't to make that if she was younger than 16.
Hmm... is that your own speculation or do you have some source for that? Like kj1980 said the game never clearly states the ages of the characters, and the school is fictional and considering how special Primula is, I doubt the school rules (if there are such rules) can affect her anyway...
Also I find what you have said doesn't really seem to add up?
Lycoris is a clone of Nerine, and Primula is produced after Lycoris. So Lycoris is made after Nerine is born, and Primula is made sometime later after Lycoris. Lycoris ages faster, and Lycoris looks to be about the same age as Rin when she meets him, that means she should be quite a lot younger than Rin at that time? Also if Lycoris ages faster while Primula ages slower, and Primula comes after Lycoris, that means Lycoris should look much older than Primula when she gives her the doll... but you said she doesn't look to be much older than Primula... seems we have a contradiction here?
Remember it's Lycoris who gives the doll to Primula, not Nerine...
You could've just said 26. Anywho its 26. (Twenty-six).
according to this post regarding R2 DVD release information
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=1081
It's going to be 24 episodes...
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NeoIllusions
2005-08-28, 19:08
Anyone else think it's strange that the daughters of both Kings were experimented upon? So much for the "normal" princess image.
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dreamless
2005-08-28, 20:11
Anyone else think it's strange that the daughters of both Kings were experimented upon? So much for the "normal" princess image.
Err... I don't think Sia is experimented upon, just that her mother is a devil, her father is a god, so she's a god-devil hybrid, just like Mayumi is a human-devil hybrid...
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NeoIllusions
2005-08-28, 20:17
Err... I don't think Sia is experimented upon, just that her mother is a devil, her father is a god, so she's a god-devil hybrid, just like Mayumi is a human-devil hybrid...
However, is she not the only hybrid that we know so far of that has a dual personality? Ty for the spoilers dreamless. ;D
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PGilis
2005-08-29, 09:52
Hmm... is that your own speculation or do you have some source for that? Like kj1980 said the game never clearly states the ages of the characters, and the school is fictional and considering how special Primula is, I doubt the school rules (if there are such rules) can affect her anyway...
Yeah, sort of. I read in a review in a Bishoujo Games Discussion Group they state Primula's age as just one year younger than Rin. If Rin is 17 (he don't looks to be younger than that to me) so Primula must be 16. You can check yourself here (
http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wPgSQ7t...ews/Shuffle%21) or here (
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/renai_games/), at the FILES--REVIEWS session.
And there's no reason to think they will treat her differently than any other case. After all, they have many gods, devils and halflings there in that school and never treat them differently. Even the princesses of the god and devil world are studying like normal (human) students!
Actually, what i found most amusing is: how can Mayumi be a teenager if the gates to the devil world were opened just 10 years ago?
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Also I find what you have said doesn't really seem to add up?
Lycoris is a clone of Nerine, and Primula is produced after Lycoris. So Lycoris is made after Nerine is born, and Primula is made sometime later after Lycoris. Lycoris ages faster, and Lycoris looks to be about the same age as Rin when she meets him, that means she should be quite a lot younger than Rin at that time? Also if Lycoris ages faster while Primula ages slower, and Primula comes after Lycoris, that means Lycoris should look much older than Primula when she gives her the doll... but you said she doesn't look to be much older than Primula... seems we have a contradiction here?
Remember it's Lycoris who gives the doll to Primula, not Nerine...
Well,
I read she has a very short life span, so i thought she was aging faster, too. Sorry, my mistake.
But you have a point. In the opening, we saw Primula inside a tank. She was not a baby, what means maybe all the previous experiments (Ama and Lycoris) were created already with a certain age, too. Think all the clones in the movie THE ISLAND.
I just thought Primula ages slower because, even considerating she was almost the same age than the other girls, she still looks like a loli. Oh well, maybe she ages at a normal pace, but still has a very petite body, compared to the other girls (except Mayumi!!).
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dreamless
2005-08-29, 10:38
Actually, what i found most amusing is: how can Mayumi be a teenager if the gates to the devil world were opened just 10 years ago?
well, during one class the teacher says that at times humans accidentally go into the realm of gods or devils and that's called kamikakushi/spirited away. And at times beings from the other realms also accidentally come to human realm too. the Gate just establishes permanent links between the realms.
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sinistral
2005-08-29, 11:15
It means Inner Sia. There are actually a pair of twins existing in Sia's body. Sia is a god-devil hybrid, the "Outer Sia" is the Sia who has dominant god blood, and the dominant personality, while the Inner Sia is the Sia who has dominant devil blood, and the hidden personality. Inner Sia hates Outer Sia for being able to enjoy life while she can't do anything.
I noticed that there are actually 3 names under the silhouette of Sia. Lisianthus, that name I posted as a picture, and 1 more is Kikyou. This is correct right? I thought Sia was actually a god+god+devil hybrid, since the family protrait shows 3 mothers I presume.
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Kira_Naruto
2005-08-29, 13:07
.. The thread with most spoiler tag used ...
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Garet
2005-08-29, 13:52
I noticed that there are actually 3 names under the silhouette of Sia. Lisianthus, that name I posted as a picture, and 1 more is Kikyou. This is correct right? I thought Sia was actually a god+god+devil hybrid, since the family protrait shows 3 mothers I presume.
Inner Sia = Kikyou. It's the name given to her by Rin later to officialy give her a seperate identity from Sia. Also, the King of Gods has 3 wives, but only one of them (the devil) is the real mother of Sia.
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Morisato
2005-08-30, 01:45
Yeah, sort of. I read in a review in a Bishoujo Games Discussion Group they state Primula's age as just one year younger than Rin. If Rin is 17 (he don't looks to be younger than that to me) so Primula must be 16. You can check yourself here (
http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wPgSQ7t...ews/Shuffle%21) or here (
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/renai_games/), at the FILES--REVIEWS session.
And there's no reason to think they will treat her differently than any other case. After all, they have many gods, devils and halflings there in that school and never treat them differently. Even the princesses of the god and devil world are studying like normal (human) students!
Actually, what i found most amusing is: how can Mayumi be a teenager if the gates to the devil world were opened just 10 years ago?
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Also I find what you have said doesn't really seem to add up?
Lycoris is a clone of Nerine, and Primula is produced after Lycoris. So Lycoris is made after Nerine is born, and Primula is made sometime later after Lycoris. Lycoris ages faster, and Lycoris looks to be about the same age as Rin when she meets him, that means she should be quite a lot younger than Rin at that time? Also if Lycoris ages faster while Primula ages slower, and Primula comes after Lycoris, that means Lycoris should look much older than Primula when she gives her the doll... but you said she doesn't look to be much older than Primula... seems we have a contradiction here?
Remember it's Lycoris who gives the doll to Primula, not Nerine...
Well,
I read she has a very short life span, so i thought she was aging faster, too. Sorry, my mistake.
But you have a point. In the opening, we saw Primula inside a tank. She was not a baby, what means maybe all the previous experiments (Ama and Lycoris) were created already with a certain age, too. Think all the clones in the movie THE ISLAND.
I just thought Primula ages slower because, even considerating she was almost the same age than the other girls, she still looks like a loli. Oh well, maybe she ages at a normal pace, but still has a very petite body, compared to the other girls (except Mayumi!!).
Its a plothole, obviously the guy who made this didn't think that far.
Anyways if Primula is 16, how does that make her a loli? 16 is the most common age for main characters/girls in just about all anime.
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dreamless
2005-08-30, 04:09
well, loli or not have little to do with real age. A girl can be thousands of years old in real age, as long as she looks very young, she's a loli. For example Yukino in GateKeepers...
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07ChanF
2005-08-30, 06:29
Can anyone spoil me on Kaede's backstory? If its way too spoilerish can it be pm'ed to me instead of posted because a little birdy on the board told me he would hunt me down if major spoilers were loosened about Kaede...
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defiant
2005-08-30, 15:27
Can anyone spoil a little about the story of Ama and Asa
Havent played the game and would like to know more of it.
Thanks
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Xellos-_^
2005-08-30, 16:11
lets see who has enough will power to resist click on the spoiler button
The spoiler here contains story for all the girls.
Are you guys really sure you want to know?
don't say I didn't warn you.
Kaede loves Lin, but she doesn't want Lin's love back. When they were small, Kaede wrongfully blamed Lin for her mother's death and made attempts to kill him. Ever since, Kaede took care of Lin, and used this fact as an excuse to stay together with Lin forever. Kaede believes if she were to be forgiven, she'd have no more excuse to stay with Lin because she doesn't have to take care of Lin anymore.
Sia has 3 mothers (In Tenkai, men are allowed to have up to three wives), and one of them is from Makai (Maou's sister). At first there were two babies, one being God race and the other one being Devil race. God race was Sia, and while she was allowed to come out of the womb, the other was abandoned because she was not a God race (Makai princess had to be a God race), and the soul of the abandoned one infused into Sia's body. As a result, Sia now had a second soul, which could come out when Sia is asleep. 8 years ago, Sia met Lin for the first time, and fell in love with him by the end of the day, along with her other soul who also fell in love with Lin. While the other soul (Her name is Kikyou, Lin gave her that name at the end of Sia path) held herself back from loving Lin more than Sia did, Sia also wanted Kikyou to be happy. So Sia decided to disappear once she got everything she ever wanted from Lin and hand him over to Kikyou, who was angered by that decision. Kikyou had absolutely nothing, everyone thought she was Sia, she didn't even have a name and she wasn't permitted to live. After Lin gave her the name, Kikyou got self-control back (she was attacking Lin while angered), Sia came back, and decided to live and love Lin together.
Nerine has had destructive magic abilities since she was born, but she was not able to handle them, and got a weak body. So Makai made a clone of her (named Ricoris) to test various methods to suppress that power. When Ricoris visited the human world in place of Nerine, she met Lin, whom she fell in love with by the end of the day (-.-), and told Nerine about him. Due to the experiments Ricoris got conducted on, her life span got so short that she wasn't going to live for much long. So she decided to fuse with Nerine, and as they did, Nerine got a strong body, enough to suppress her magic, along with Ricoris' love songs and Lin. Nerine felt guilty about it and decided to live as Ricoris and love Lin as Ricoris. However, while trying to do so, Nerine herself fell in love with him and loved him as Nerine, not Ricoris. Since Nerine thought she wasn't allowed to love Lin, she tried leave him, but Lin told her that Ricoris would have wanted her to live as Nerine. As a result, Nerine started to love songs and Lin as well without any hesitation.
Primula has an empty soul (literally, meaning she has no emotions at all). The only being Primula ever liked was Ricoris, until she met Lin. She wanted to live with him, and in so doing, she gained many emotions. When she tells Lin about the death of Ricoris and how much she liked her, Lin told Primula that he'll be her brother, and that made Primula love Lin. One day, Lin got a broken bone (don't remember why), and Primula awakened her magic and healed him. As she realized she could use magic, she decided to go back to Makai and use magic to help others overcome the deaths of their loved ones. In order to prevent Lin from feeling lonely, she used magic to erase Lin's memory. As she tried to walk past Lin like a nobody, Lin hugged her from behind, causing Primula's emotions to overflow, which made her stay by his side.
Asa had feelings towards Lin, but it was never substantial, as the two always acted like just good friends no matter what the situation was. One day, Lin told Asa about Kaede's reasons for hating him, and Lin was so similar to the person Asa respected and admired, Asa's love for Lin became solid and resolute. She couldn't control that feeling, and confessed it to Lin along with a kiss. One day at school, Asa fell, and when Lin asked her of what happened, she told him of her life story, about her mother and why she had magic in her although she's a human. Asa's mother was the first test subject in Makai, who ended up in the human world, fell in love with a human male and gave birth to Asa. When Asa realized that she was soon going to die because she had uncontrollable magic in a human body, she blamed her mother for it. Asa felt bad about it, and decided to live as a human forever so her mother does not have to bare the guilt (by releasing magic, Asa would no longer be deemed as a human, but Devil race). Lin tried hard to make her use magic but they all failed, so as a last resort, Lin tried to sacrifice his life, and Asa finally used magic to save him.
Basically when you go through Asa route in the game, Kareha confesses that she likes Lin as well right after Asa and Lin start dating, and claims that she will be one of Lin's wives as he gets married with Asa in Tenkai.
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Sionthus
2005-08-30, 17:34
OMG!
I wish I resisted! This plot is awesome!
Ive just spoiled Rims story though
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defiant
2005-08-30, 20:43
Very good plot. I'm looking forward to watch how does the anime turns out.
But have a question:
Why does Makai tries to make a very powerful being with god-demon powers. And if Ama is the first test subject then why is she in the human realm. Without supervision of them and why did they allow her to have a child
Thanks
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Xellos-_^
2005-08-30, 21:59
Very good plot. I'm looking forward to watch how does the anime turns out.
But have a question:
Why does Makai tries to make a very powerful being with god-demon powers. And if Ama is the first test subject then why is she in the human realm. Without supervision of them and why did they allow her to have a child
Thanks
During one thier experiments Ama-san went berserk and kill a lot of people and did a lot of damage. And I think it isn't so much as they allow her come to the human realm it was no one has the power to stop her when she left. As for Asa, they probably lost track of Ama-san when she left because i doubt that either of the kings or Sia or Nerine know Ama-san is Asa-chan's mother or that Ama-san lives in that city. And if you remeber ep7 when Ama-san comment about her lack of confidence in taste testing her soup thats one of the result of the experiments.
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defiant
2005-08-30, 22:21
Just a thought
What could it happen when they found out that Ama is well and she has a child. Would the King of Devils and Gods do something about it
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dannykun
2005-08-30, 22:22
omg xellos you just gave away the farm.
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Kira_Naruto
2005-08-31, 00:31
^ he gave a fair warning ^^ .. Blamed yourself if you cant resist
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shadowlurker
2005-08-31, 00:39
haha too bad if u clicked the spoiler thing :P im not gonna. hehe
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TENSON
2005-08-31, 14:42
From the plot, I can see why Shuffle is so popular now! The plot lines are very different from your normal dating game <--- yes, dating... game with this kinda plot can't really be fall into the hentai section... The Kaede plot really suprised me thou... but then again... they've been dropping hints in the anime already! very cool! thank you for that Xellos
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dannykun
2005-08-31, 21:11
haha yeah i know i was warned. but i am weak, weak like ukraine T-T
anyways those plotlines are something else. completely amazing, i cannot wait to see them in action.
but the anime needs to stop fooling around by giving each character an episode or they won't get to all that juicy drama.
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Anh_Minh
2005-08-31, 21:24
I don't get Asa's story.
Why is she trying to live as a human? So she won't die? Then, why I Lin trying to make her use her magic?
Or will using her magic turn her into a demon and save her life? If so, how is living as a human erasing Ama's guilt? Shouldn't she feel better if her daughter doesn't die?
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sinistral
2005-09-01, 00:37
I don't get Asa's story.
Why is she trying to live as a human? So she won't die? Then, why I Lin trying to make her use her magic?
Or will using her magic turn her into a demon and save her life? If so, how is living as a human erasing Ama's guilt? Shouldn't she feel better if her daughter doesn't die?
You should read Xellos-_^ character girl stories post on top. The answers are there. If your question is from the post, then
If she continue living as a human, she will die very soon because of the power she has in her body. What she said is that her devil's power is too much for her human body, which will result in her quick death. She thinks her mother felt guilty for not giving birth to a proper human. (My guess would be Ama didn't want to be reminded of her ordeal of being a 'made' devil and if she sees her daughter turning devil, things might not look nice..)
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defiant
2005-09-01, 08:03
Have a couple of questions about Ama
I got confused Ama is she a Devil with here powers enchanced? Or a human converted into a devil? Also I found a wallpaper that says that the complete name of Ama is Amateur, is this correct?