(L) Tokyo Ghoul [Manga]

[Pierrot.]

Originally Posted by Fairy Water

So he pulled a IBO ending huh? This chapter is more like cheap porn to me than 'a happy moment' since it took like a whole chapter in detail about the process with Kaneki being tease and Touka on top, Ishida must have been high on hentai for a while and wanted to draw one.

Now why don't make it into a trend? Those shonen manga could totally follow this trend to make a detail chapter how the characters fvck each other so that the fandom becomes more awkward.

It was a cathartic chapter for Kaneki. Not sure why you're so upset because of one sex scene.

[Xero8420]

Originally Posted by konart

No more Nines please T_T (fun fact - for a second I couldn't remember the name, but the "Oh...Nines...") immediately did the trick)

LOL! Guess you're triggered by Taro's shenanigans.

Btw, those who're curious, fun fact - 9S/Nines is literally Kaneki, who also voiced by the very same guy who did for Kaneki himself.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Fairy Water

So he pulled a IBO ending huh? This chapter is more like cheap porn to me than 'a happy moment' since it took like a whole chapter in detail about the process with Kaneki being tease and Touka on top, Ishida must have been high on hentai for a while and wanted to draw one.

Now why don't make it into a trend? Those shonen manga could totally follow this trend to make a detail chapter how the characters fvck each other so that the fandom becomes more awkward.

Lol u triggered?

Anyway, an actual comment for anyone who isn't caught up in bitching about Ishida drawing H..... see the 無能 (Root A OP) art by Ishida. it's the same minus Touka so yeah...it's not just porn for porn's sake here

[Xero8420]

You know... H is also called a plot as well, bruh.

[konart]

Originally Posted by Xero8420

LOL! Guess you're triggered by Taro's shenanigans.

Btw, those who're curious, fun fact - 9S/Nines is literally Kaneki, who also voiced by the very same guy who did for Kaneki himself.

Triggered is the word I would use for those mental people on twitter and tumblr insulting Ishida. At 28 you are rarely triggered by anything at all.

I was saying that killing Touka just for more angst\rage\whatever would be stupid.

[Shinagami]

Am I the only one who smells Kaneki's death on the horizon...

[denj_inf]

In my opinion I don't see that chapter just like other people do. They would say 'Ishida is horny again' or something, but it felt different to me. I have read explicit stuff like that, but it didn't felt like some cheap porn to me. I actually felt like crying when I saw the last page. I dunno why.


Ps. Hello, I'm new here

[Fairy Water]

Originally Posted by Pierrot.

It was a cathartic chapter for Kaneki. Not sure why you're so upset because of one sex scene.

oh I dunno if Kishi ever drew Naruto and Hinata have sex or Kubo do the same with Orihime and Ichigo I dunno how would you feel? would you prefer to see the process?
Well if you r on the ship, maybe you do want to see and enjoying them with all your heart

I upset because I expect Ishida more than this. Cathartic my ass, if getting laid could purifying him so easily, he could have done it with anyone or more like, anyone could purify Kaneki The way the final page is draw actually made me think of a son and his mother and it also reminds me Kaneki has mother complex.

Another thing made me upset because this is just confirm Kaneki's death with Touka being a single mother living with hope.

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Lol u triggered?

Anyway, an actual comment for anyone who isn't caught up in bitching about Ishida drawing H..... see the 無能 (Root A OP) art by Ishida. it's the same minus Touka so yeah...it's not just porn for porn's sake here

Drawing hen? you mean those images that have naked people? Like how he usually drew Rize? Please tell me you do know the difference between an artwork and a hentai work/manga/doujin?

Btw I wouldn't call this chapter as hentai cause it's not that level yet

[hai_san]

Death flag death flag this chapter screams it so much... The last pic was just over the top... i can't ever believe that this will have a happy ending! Never! Not in Tokyo Ghoul. This will end absolutely horrifying and bloody.

[Starlightz]

Originally Posted by Fairy Water

oh I dunno if Kishi ever drew Naruto and Hinata have sex or Kubo do the same with Orihime and Ichigo I dunno how would you feel? would you prefer to see the process?
Well if you r on the ship, maybe you do want to see and enjoying them with all your heart

I upset because I expect Ishida more than this. Cathartic my ass, if getting laid could purifying him so easily, he could have done it with anyone or more like, anyone could purify Kaneki The way the final page is draw actually made me think of a son and his mother and it also reminds me Kaneki has mother complex.

Another thing made me upset because this is just confirm Kaneki's death with Touka being a single mother living with hope.

How would one feel in regards to the sex scene between two MCs of a story? Personally, I would say that it depends on the depictions and the purposes of the scene. If it was just having sex for the common causes like normal people do in real life (i.e: having fun, bonding, reproducing, etc.), I'd agree that I don't think it would make a great scene. It might be hot, shippers might like it but personally, while I might get a boner, in the end I would neither like nor hate it, just a state of indifference. The scene / chapter would be more or less redundant, as everything in plot would happen before or after that, and the plot would remains the same even if you remove the sex scene. So to your question in regards to Naruto & Hinata or Ichigo & Orihime, I wouldn't like it much (but I won't hate it either) if it doesn't serve any other purpose rather than pandering to the otaku or the author's ship. However, that is NOT the case of this chapter.

From my view, chapter 125's purpose wasn't just to show Kaneki and Touka having sex and enjoy it. Obviously, there are sex scenes, but I'd argue that the act of having sex wasn't the true focus of the chapter. The focus was the meaning behind it, and what it brings to the story. There were symbolic and possible parallel scene(s) there. There are also little details depicting how Touka cared for Kaneki, and Kaneki was moved and happy about it. That, in my opinion, was an important plot point. Heck, I've read the chapter over and over a few times, and I've yet gotten aroused - more like moved because of how cute, sweet and healing it was. The sex scene wasn't really the most attractive point of it.

Through out the story, even after the battle with Arima, and up until recently as seen in the conversation with Takizawa, Kaneki felt that he is empty inside, and that "if you don't have a chain to hold on to, you'll die" (as per his words to Takizawa). Additionally, a lot of his relationships just disappeared, or turned out not as pretty as they seemed to be. Here, Kaneki realized - possibly for the first time in a long while - that there is (are?) a person (people?) who truly care and love him in a pure manner. Not a twisted, abusive "love" from his mother as seen in his past. Not some emotions towards investigator Haise, not because they need a half ghoul with strong potential Kaneki or the new OEK Kaneki, but just because he is Kaneki Ken. In my interpretation, he was happy / touched enough to unconsciously shed some tears there. That is a good sign of healing, especially after that long chain of life or death situations he went through recently.

You are right that "anyone could do it". However, does it matter? This applies to many other stories and plot points as well. If a slap was enough to wake the MC up from his HBSOD, anyone could do it. If a hug and a talking to was enough to bring the MC back to track, anyone could do it. If seeing ghoul children playing innocently and hugging Hinami was enough to make Akira to start ceasing to hate ghouls just because they were ghouls, anyone could do it. The list goes on and on, yet that fact doesn't cheapen those acts. Anyone could've tried to help purifying Kaneki, but this is the first time one who wanted to actually did it. This happen right after one of his former student, who were among those he cared for, showed him her psycho side and he was (unintentionally) reminded of how much he missed his old friend - that was some good timing to a good dose of emotional healing. That's why I think the last page was beautiful - both of them seemed so at peace there. When was the last time we saw Kaneki being truly happy and at peace? Must have been back in TG (if there was even one) since I can't recall any recent one.

Lastly, I wouldn't say it confirmed the death of either of them. Yes, it hints at future hardships and given the tone of the story, those hardships very likely (or definitely) will come soon. However, it doesn't automatically guarantee a 100% chance of death to either of them - it's a possibility and just that. Even the 19 was a mirrored 19 (instead of reversed for Tarot meaning) so we can't be sure if Ishida meant it to be interpreted as the Sun or the reversed Sun (and the reversed Sun tarot cards, depends on interpretation, doesn't always carry an overly negative tone like other reversed cards).
After all, Ishida said before that unlike TG, TG:re isn't meant to be a tragedy. Sure, it's a seinen not-a-tragedy, so a bittersweet ending isn't out of the picture - but so is a happy ending, no matter how small of a chance it has.

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by Fairy Water

Drawing hen? you mean those images that have naked people? Like how he usually drew Rize? Please tell me you do know the difference between an artwork and a hentai work/manga/doujin?

...Are you kidding?

The art on Muou had Kaneki depitced as an infant, in which represents Kaneki's munou (uselessness).
Over here at the current chapter we had that but with Touka, together with the Major Arcana 19 in a mirrored image. I should also mention the last time we saw an Arcana with Touka confronting is a High Priestess in reversed.

You can't possibly missed amount of information that's being conveyed here,
The imagery on how Kaneki has become supplemented by Touka is very clear here.

If don't see it, fine.
But don't say people can't see it either.

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by The One Above God

Wha-wh-what th-..what the heck? Ishida has never surprised any more than now . Seriously, who would think he'd actually go show it? I thought it was gonna be more like: "We gonna do it?" "Yeah" "M'kay", then transition to aftermath or something but no, Ishida actually showed the whole thing . Man, what a time to be a Tokyo Ghoul fan.

Yeah, I mean two leads having sex isn't new in manga/anime/whatever, but it rarely show to this amount of detail (which is drawn tastefully enough to avoid being porn), instead of just being implied they screwed. Not there is anything done that way, but if you can pull something like this off without it coming across as crude it really works well for emotional development of the characters involved. Really bold move to do that.

Edit: Now that I think about it this reminds me of Guts and Casca's first time.

[Sparda4]

It was poetic very much so, Kaneki's life always went for bad to worse,and this one time he was able to let his guard down around someone and not be afraid of him losing anything.
This time he gained something that he never truly had in his life. Love.

But this is the calm before the storm there is NO WAY this series will end on a happy note. Remember this is what he said about his life

"I’m not the protagonist of a novel or anything. I’m just a college student who likes to read, like you could find anywhere. But... if, for argument’s sake, you were to write a story with me in the lead role, it would certainly be... a tragedy."

Talk about a fourth wall breaker.

[Starlightz]

Originally Posted by Sparda4

Talk about a fourth wall breaker.

Something to keep in mind, though, is that the quote you mentioned was in TG. Ishida said in an interview (or twitter post?) earlier in TG:re that while TG was a tragedy, TG:re wouldn't be one. That's why he split TG and TG:re to keep TG as a tragedy. Just a look at the story, if TG:re was meant to be a tragedy like TG, a lot of protagonists would've died now - which isn't the case, only few (who are important to Kaneki) did while some others escaped deaths (or "revived" in a sense, i.e: Dog & Ape). It was hinted as much all the way back in the 3rd page of first chapter with that "The sky next to the tragedy is... a clear blue" line.

Now, not being a tragedy doesn't mean everything need to be all happy - evidently as we've seen so far. We can still get a bittersweet ending. However, that doesn't mean a relatively happy ending is out of picture.

[Sparda4]

True that they are not the same, they are two parts of the same whole but you should keep your guard up even so. I'm going to be the one to say it but touka might die, it is possible. Just stay sharp this is the calm before the massive storm. And let me be clear i want this series to have a happy ending just like anybody else i'm just not going to take the risk of getting my hopes up.

[Eisdrache]

Given that every character basically carries a permanent death flag it's surprising that people are only now discovering them.
As for those who want a happy ending, maybe they're forgetting that they're reading Tokyo Ghoul.

[Windsgrace]

What is a happy ending when all the world has gone to sh*t with no escape? (In this series) Temporary solace?

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Fairy Water

oh I dunno if Kishi ever drew Naruto and Hinata have sex or Kubo do the same with Orihime and Ichigo I dunno how would you feel? would you prefer to see the process?
Well if you r on the ship, maybe you do want to see and enjoying them with all your heart

I upset because I expect Ishida more than this. Cathartic my ass, if getting laid could purifying him so easily, he could have done it with anyone or more like, anyone could purify Kaneki The way the final page is draw actually made me think of a son and his mother and it also reminds me Kaneki has mother complex.

Another thing made me upset because this is just confirm Kaneki's death with Touka being a single mother living with hope.



Drawing hen? you mean those images that have naked people? Like how he usually drew Rize? Please tell me you do know the difference between an artwork and a hentai work/manga/doujin?

Btw I wouldn't call this chapter as hentai cause it's not that level yet

Softcore, hardcore whatever...at least I'm not the one getting overly upset and bothered over it lol. Much ado over nothing you know

And yeah, if the whole thing about Touka finally becoming his Sun just wooshed past your head fine.....but even still is it too much to ask that you exercise less shallow judgment on a scene with deeper meaning than usual?

[Mach56gs]

I get why people are trying to avoid hoping for a happy end...

But I don't think people should be so cynical. People often talk about how people die a lot and it's a rather dark story, but even so many main characters have survived- hell, even the workers at the coffee shop survived that crazy raid. Taki survived, Amon survived, etc.

I'm not saying to expect Kaneki and Touka surviving together, but don't completely count it out, either.

The cast is actually pretty massive, and many characters have ducked death pretty well. Now we're at what could be considered the last fight, you kinda have to expect them to succeed. A slaughterfest of characters is interesting... but also very cluttered and would be difficult to do each character justice without starting to lose it's edge.

I think the latest chapter releases the author from having to inject fanservice at the end of the story while still amping up the stakes for the finale. It gives him more freedom for a tasteful ending and not waste breath on romance (which can be sappy).

[Windsgrace]

Yeah but if Touka becomes pregnant (unlikely in reality but for in story probably) I imagine a certain yandere will come to kill her or do something to her that will give us all nightmares. (Due to both her insanity and jealousy) I mean can't ghouls tell due to their smell?