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Kayoubi · 2011-03-31, 07:43

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

Fixed

But whoever did not expect that would happen by the last episode deserves to get spoiled

Anything can happen in the world of anime. but also it prevents ruining the ending for people who are posting about the 1st ep and other stragglers.

ShinVader · 2011-04-03, 04:32

This would be second Anime which made me cry.
I had to watch the ending over and over to understand why Togame had to die and to understand the story better. I was hoping Shichika and Togame to have a happy ending but either way it was happy ending I guess. As Togame did not want to live her life for revenge also She did not want to kill shichika with her own hand although her evil self was planning to do so.For Togame death was her only happiness. Although Togame had That cold white snake the evil self with in her she still could feel Shichikas love. We can all see Togame Really loved Shichika her last word tell us.
Rest in peace Togame T.T

DragoZERO · 2011-04-03, 11:47

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Originally Posted by ShinVader

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I feel your pain though. The ending was definitely powerful stuff.

But, please put your post inside spoiler tags. As Shiroth said above, not everyone may have finish this yet and to ruin something like that is not cool.

ShinVader · 2011-04-06, 17:59

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

I feel your pain though. The ending was definitely powerful stuff.

But, please put your post inside spoiler tags. As Shiroth said above, not everyone may have finish this yet and to ruin something like that is not cool.

Sorry I did not mean to do that but I just do not know how to do spoilers quote.

If you let me know I will do it from now on

thank you

DragoZERO · 2011-04-07, 20:17

Put [spoiler=" _REASON_ "] in the beginning and [/spoiler] at the end. There is also a button next to the quote button too.

LKK · 2011-04-15, 19:08

NIS America has licensed Katanagatari. They will release the series on both DVD & Blu-ray in two volumes of 6 episodes each. Sub only. Premium box w/ bonus 30+ page art book. Volume 1 to release in July 2011. Official web page

kyouray · 2011-04-15, 20:27

w00t !!! Great news !

DragoZERO · 2011-04-15, 22:23

Wow. I really didn't think this series would be licensed. I really wonder how they will translate it so far we have "12 Klesha Bringers" so yeah.

On a side note, it looks like NIS is getting a lot of my money lately, haha.

Kotohono · 2011-04-15, 23:41

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Wow. I really didn't think this series would be licensed. I really wonder how they will translate it so far we have "12 Klesha Bringers" so yeah.

Yea with no one having picked up Bakemongatari, it was just a forgone conclusion to me that no one would pick Katanagatari either, so I am quite happy to see someone has.

omimon · 2011-04-16, 00:13

Isn't Klesha an Indian word? At least when I searched it on google it gave me Indian-related results.

Edit: These are somethings that are pricking on my nerves about this.
Klesha Bringers - No explanation needed

Lady Denial - Okay truth is this is the correct literal translation but come on, its a name so leave it as it is.

Phoenix of Divinity - The kanji is clearly "god" so why did it turned into "divine"? Honestly, you see this in TWGOK too, when did people in the west started becoming afraid of saying god?

12 Shadows of the Maniwa Ningun - It's heads, leaders, captains, anything except shadow!!

Shiroth · 2011-04-16, 02:56

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Originally Posted by LKK

NIS America has licensed Katanagatari. They will release the series on both DVD & Blu-ray in two volumes of 6 episodes each. Sub only. Premium box w/ bonus 30+ page art book. Volume 1 to release in July 2011. Official web page

That is a must buy in my books. Shame that the BR isn't my region, though even on DVD this is a show i'd love to own.

DragoZERO · 2011-04-16, 10:23

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Originally Posted by omimon

Isn't Klesha an Indian word? At least when I searched it on google it gave me Indian-related results.

Edit: These are somethings that are pricking on my nerves about this.
Klesha Bringers - No explanation needed

I believe they did take it from Buddhism.

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Lady Denial - Okay truth is this is the correct literal translation but come on, its a name so leave it as it is.

Yes, that is bad. It's a name, and they left all the others alone too. What's funny is, she isn't even listed in the character pages, haha.

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Phoenix of Divinity - The kanji is clearly "god" so why did it turned into "divine"? Honestly, you see this in TWGOK too, when did people in the west started becoming afraid of saying god?

Yeah... god doesn't work in the western world, haha. But god is divine... lol.

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12 Shadows of the Maniwa Ningun - It's heads, leaders, captains, anything except shadow!!

Yeah... that's bad too.

Will have find out what firm they are letting do the translation.

Kakkou · 2011-04-16, 11:07

Yeah, Lady Denial rubbed me the wrong way. I guess they were trying to stick with little to no translation notes and had to convey the meaning of her name. It still sounds retarded though, considering that's what the travelogue should be for. As they put it themselves:

"The show functions as a form of great literature, so this art book is the best way to truly appreciate the profound wordplay the writers created."

Couldn't have hurt to throw in a line about how "Hitei" means "Denial" in there. Also took me a while before I realised what Klesha Bringers was referring to. Not much comment on that though. Some of their choices feel off considering some stuff like Maniwa Ningun gets kept as it is.

LKK · 2011-04-16, 11:22

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Originally Posted by omimon

Phoenix of Divinity - The kanji is clearly "god" so why did it turned into "divine"? Honestly, you see this in TWGOK too, when did people in the west started becoming afraid of saying god?

Is it the same kanji used in "kamikaze"? I ask because I've always heard from way back the word "kamikaze" translated as "divine wind".

DragoZERO · 2011-04-16, 18:19

It seems people are already voicing their opinions:

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Originally Posted by NIS Forum

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Originally Posted by MikeX10A

I would to inquire as to how much involvement NIS has with the translation of their anime. Some companies do in house translating and others contract it to translation firms. I ask because there are some rather disappointing translations but at the same time, impressive and agreeable ones.

A recent example of a poor one, thanks to Esker, makes you wonder why a Buddhist term not part of a Westerner's common knowledge (which I had to Google) is being used:

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Originally Posted by Esker

While it's awesome that a wonderful series like Katanagatari is getting licenced at all, what is with the choice of "Klesha Bringers" as a translation of 変態刀? I am aware of what klesha is, and it's not exactly a wrong way to describe them, but it seems like a needlessly obtuse way of translating a fairly straight-forward concept.

I'd love to know the reasoning behind this choice. Surely something like "abnormal swords" or "twisted blades" or "deviant weapons" or similar would be better. At least they'd be in English instead of Sanskrit....

My example of a poor one is from Toradora, Taiga's nickname for Ami. Taiga says "baka-chi" however it is translated as "chi-chi." "Baka" means idiot, or stupid. No where in that translation does it convey that Taiga is calling Ami an idiot and a chihuahua at the same time.

An example of a good one is from Toradora. "Maruo" translating to "four eyes" works well since (I think) "maruo" is a reference to a character or person in Japan who wears glasses.

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Originally Posted by Houk

We do all of the translation and localization in-house (as well as DVD authoring, package design, QA, etc. etc.)

Without addressing your specific concerns, since I haven't worked on any anime title released to date, we do try to maintain the cultural feel as much as possible. Sometimes we get it just right, and sometimes we miss the mark. The editors all come from games, where translation can be a little more free and loose at times, so we have to remind ourselves to stick a little closer to the Japanese for anime, and sometimes things slip through. But we do try to improve with each title, and we're still pretty young in the anime business, so I think you'll only see us getting better from here on out.

That being said, we're all pretty happy with Klesha Bringers, and hopefully your opinion on it won't sour you on the series itself.

Luckily, they do answer the questions asked. Now we know to blame NIS themselves for the translations. But we also know that that they recognize what they do wrong... to a degree.

As for the explanation to "Klesha Bringers"...

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Originally Posted by Houk

Androvsky and Vampko both pretty much summarized our thoughts on it. Rather than go with something obvious and easy, the team wanted something exotic and mysterious and something which, if you do know what it means, can bring an even deeper and more complex meaning to the swords.

Plus, it does sound cool. Just be thankful they didn't take my suggestion and call it Kle$ha Bringers.

I guess using a Buddhist term in a Japanese to English translation adds meaning.

Kakkou · 2011-04-16, 23:37

Well it does clear a few things up, though I hope they find some time to at least revert Lady Denial back to Lady Hitei or Princess Hitei or whatever. That's really the only thing that's truly bugging me.

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Originally Posted by Houk

Just be thankful they didn't take my suggestion and call it Kle$ha Bringers.

That would be the most horrifying sword of all. Kill it. Kill it good.

omimon · 2011-04-17, 04:48

I realize that they have to be on their translators' side but aren't the fans the one who are buying the DVDs? If they are gonna earn money from it I think they should please the fans first.

Kayoubi · 2011-04-17, 21:08

Wow really? Princess Denial?

The adventures of Seven Flowers and once Princess Allowance now called Rebuke are out to collect pervert blades. I don't think this blurb will help sell dvd's in NA. (Except to the 'niche' crowd here at home

)

Whitemoon648 · 2011-05-23, 00:25

Hi guys. Loved the series, but i am a bit confused about the ending. So i have a few questions

. I will spoiler tag them in case.

Spoiler for to avoid spoiling the ending:

More importantly how Emonzaemon learned about togame's true identity? I mean she hinted but she never said who her dad was until after he had left. Weren't they only speculating? She just said her dad loved her when Emonzaemon was still around.

Overall a good anime

, but kinda confusing ending.

On that regard Emonzaemon says it's Shichika's fault that Togame and Hitei's battle ended like that. What did he do?

Whitemoon648 · 2011-05-23, 00:38

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On Hitei-Hime, i think it's just that she's actually very similar to Togame in nature, if not exactly the same type of person. It's just that Togame's childhood was ruined by her own quest to revenge until the last minute, while Hitei simply just wanted to mess up the entire plan of her ancestor.

In another word:
- Togame: has cold personality (cross-eye)as she want revenge (A) -> act cute during the entire anime so she can exploit her own emotion to "trick" her self and Shichika (B)
- Hiteihime: originally have cute personality (B) -> act cold to rid off her emotion during the entire anime so she can mess up the ending of her ancestor plan (A)

Well how did she wanted to mess up their plan? To me it seemed like she didn't care either way if it succeeded or not, but her aim was to make it succeed. I mean she wasn't diehard about it, but still she said she had hoped to kill the shogun in power because that was part of shiki's plan. In shiki's plan shogun shouldn't have been in power at all.

But still her plan( and her ancestors plan) ultimately failed because shogun's son still took the power. I mean they were trying to falsify history to avoid the possible destruction.

P.S. Also why was Togame gathering the swords? Was it to overthrow to shogun or was it to just take the power by being the shogun's righthand ( well it works as revenge too i guess in a way). Then If that was the case wouldn't togame being

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If she had taken power ( actually even if her dad had taken power) then Kiki's plan would have came true right? Since they wanted to defeat shogun. Also isn't that ironic how Togame's father was trying to fix history but by succeeding he would have actually helped kiki's plans to come true ?
Correct me if i am wrong. A good but confusing ending

. I might have it all wrong about the ending though

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omimon Professional Hikkikomori Join Date: Feb 2009	Isn't Klesha an Indian word? At least when I searched it on google it gave me Indian-related results. Edit: These are somethings that are pricking on my nerves about this. Klesha Bringers - No explanation needed Lady Denial - Okay truth is this is the correct literal translation but come on, its a name so leave it as it is. Phoenix of Divinity - The kanji is clearly "god" so why did it turned into "divine"? Honestly, you see this in TWGOK too, when did people in the west started becoming afraid of saying god? 12 Shadows of the Maniwa Ningun - It's heads, leaders, captains, anything except shadow!! Last edited by omimon; 2011-04-16 at 00:27.

2011-04-03, 04:32	Link #2462
ShinVader Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011	This would be second Anime which made me cry. I had to watch the ending over and over to understand why Togame had to die and to understand the story better. I was hoping Shichika and Togame to have a happy ending but either way it was happy ending I guess. As Togame did not want to live her life for revenge also She did not want to kill shichika with her own hand although her evil self was planning to do so.For Togame death was her only happiness. Although Togame had That cold white snake the evil self with in her she still could feel Shichikas love. We can all see Togame Really loved Shichika her last word tell us. Rest in peace Togame T.T

2011-04-16, 11:07	Link #2473
Kakkou Tch. Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Australia	Yeah, Lady Denial rubbed me the wrong way. I guess they were trying to stick with little to no translation notes and had to convey the meaning of her name. It still sounds retarded though, considering that's what the travelogue should be for. As they put it themselves: "The show functions as a form of great literature, so this art book is the best way to truly appreciate the profound wordplay the writers created." Couldn't have hurt to throw in a line about how "Hitei" means "Denial" in there. Also took me a while before I realised what Klesha Bringers was referring to. Not much comment on that though. Some of their choices feel off considering some stuff like Maniwa Ningun gets kept as it is.

2011-04-17, 04:48	Link #2477
omimon Professional Hikkikomori Join Date: Feb 2009	I realize that they have to be on their translators' side but aren't the fans the one who are buying the DVDs? If they are gonna earn money from it I think they should please the fans first.

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Kayoubi Togame's Sword Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Age: 40	Wow really? Princess Denial? The adventures of Seven Flowers and once Princess Allowance now called Rebuke are out to collect pervert blades. I don't think this blurb will help sell dvd's in NA. (Except to the 'niche' crowd here at home )

2011-05-23, 00:25	Link #2479
Whitemoon648 Sawa-Chan <3 <3 <3 Join Date: Dec 2004	Hi guys. Loved the series, but i am a bit confused about the ending. So i have a few questions . I will spoiler tag them in case. Spoiler for to avoid spoiling the ending: Why did Togame had to die? That is a bit confusing because wasn't Shizikaki's plan to destroy the shogun? Togame and Hitei Hime had the same goal didn't they? I don't see why it had to happen. Also another question. Hitei at the end said that their plan failed and that it started going off from Kyu shogun, Togame's father and herself. How is that? Didn't Togame's dad try to correct the history? But hadn't the history already self corrected itself by having shogunate to reach power? So wouldn't Togame's father rebelion actually helped The cause of shizikaki than fix it? So why did Hitei hime said that his rebellion made the plan to go off track? Also would Hitei kill togame even if she didn't know about her real identity? In ep 11 she regrets the facts that she learned about togame's secrete and says " She didn't want to settle things this way". So basically although she planned to smash her, she still didn't want to kill her right? Or maybe at least not kill her then and wait for later? Also Emonzaemon hinted in episode 12 that it was shichika's fault that the battle between the two princess has to end this way. Doesn't prove that Hitei woudn't kill her if she didn't know of Togame's origin? More importantly how Emonzaemon learned about togame's true identity? I mean she hinted but she never said who her dad was until after he had left. Weren't they only speculating? She just said her dad loved her when Emonzaemon was still around. Overall a good anime , but kinda confusing ending. On that regard Emonzaemon says it's Shichika's fault that Togame and Hitei's battle ended like that. What did he do? __________________ Last edited by Whitemoon648; 2011-05-23 at 02:17.