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Old 2018-04-25, 18:11   Link #3901
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Rias lent it to Strada remember?
Rias only gave Strada Durandal II since Galatine was adjusted so that Devils use it. Durandal is all Strada needs.
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Old 2018-04-25, 18:39   Link #3902
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Durandal II is created by Strada's student specifically for him.
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Old 2018-04-25, 18:53   Link #3903
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So she did lend it to him? Guess I'll have to look again.

Edit: Even if Galantine was modified for Devil-use, non-Devils can still use it. Xenovia is a natural-born Holy Sword wielder and she uses the modified Ascalon.
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Old 2018-04-25, 19:06   Link #3904
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As far as we know the unnamed red sword (assumed to be Galantine) is still currently in Rias' possession.
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Old 2018-04-25, 19:12   Link #3905
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I think so. Unless Ishibumi said it happened in an interview or in a SS, that other sword should still be in Rias' possession. In that chapter Volume 23, after Strada asked her about the other sword, this is all that's written about it:
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On this day, the strongest swordsman in the history of the Vatican announced his intention to participate in the Rating Game World Tournament. After the negotiation, both Rias and Strada sighed. Strada was concerned about the other sword that was in the briefcase, so he asked about the crimson-bladed sword.

“Speaking of which, what about this weapon? It appears to be a sword.”

Rias replied in a slightly shy manner.

“After I became engaged to Ise, Heaven gifted me a sword with a crimson blade as a blessing. It has already been adjusted so that Devils can use it. —But, neither Ise nor I will master it… So, perhaps our future children could use it?”

“I see, that’s not a bad idea. If I can live to that age, please allow me to bless to your future children.”

“There’ll be a lot of trouble if Your Eminence blesses them. After all, we’re Devils.”
There's nothing about that crimson sword after this. So Rias probably still has that sword in her possession.
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Old 2018-04-25, 19:14   Link #3906
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Rias (Forbidden Invade Balor the Princess) vs Strada (Young)
Hard to say on that one.
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Old 2018-04-25, 21:21   Link #3907
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So she did lend it to him? Guess I'll have to look again.

Edit: Even if Galantine was modified for Devil-use, non-Devils can still use it. Xenovia is a natural-born Holy Sword wielder and she uses the modified Ascalon.
Why would xenovia want to use galantine when durandal and excalibur are just as if not more powerful then Ex's sword which she is yet to master
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Old 2018-04-25, 21:42   Link #3908
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Dude Vasco Strada would obviously take this do to his experience. The guy was able to humiliate EJO Vali. Now if this was Old Vasco Strada then I would say Issei with high diff
By that logic Issei should have lost to Barakiel. Strada broke Vali's armor but did he take him out? Issei did the same thing in Volume 4. So just landing one hit on the person doesn't guarantee a win especially if that person is at the same level or stronger than you. A match doesn't end or is decided when one person lands a hit. Vali seemed fine to me as he was able to use DiD afterwards and fight Crom Cruach.

So can we have an intelligent debate about this instead of simply saying 'this person did this, so no way this guy can beat him.'
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Old 2018-04-25, 21:44   Link #3909
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Well Rias' attack power is higher than Sirzechs because she uses her POD in a power-oriented way and focuses on a raw power aspect. While Sirzechs uses POD in a technique-oriented way instead of using raw power. Mastering POD and using it for what it was meant to be used for. To destroy. Like not in a raw power way, but in a 'destroy to the tiniest molecule kind of way. So due to Sirzechs' nature as a Wizard-Technique type, he focuses more on technique and his mastery of POD. Instead of just overwhelming the opponent with incredibly powerful and potent shots of POD like Rias does. While his tiny orbs have an incredibly potent aura of destruction he focuses more on using it masterfully to go around defenses and hit weak points compared to Rias who just blasts it hoping it'll hit her opponent. Not that Sirzechs can't, but it doesn't accommodate his fighting style.

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Bold 1 Rias does not have more raw power than a Satan Class, Extinguish Star defeated complete. Sirzech's Ruin the Extinct is much better than Rias's Extinguish Star, which it is the same but more smaller. While Rias can only do one, Sirzechs can do more than one and control them. Like Sirzechs can do more, it equals the power of Rias best attack, the difference is that that is not Sirzechs strongest attack, just his casual attack.

Bold 2: Well, you are right, but remember than it was Sirzechs that taught Rias her technique. Her Extinguish Star is bigger version of Sirzechs orbs, but she does not have the same mastery over it like Sirzechs.

Sirzechs Orb defeated Satan Class Asmodeus. Rias Orb defeated Grendel which was near Satan Class.
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Old 2018-04-25, 21:50   Link #3910
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When it comes to how they battle, she basically does. Sirzechs fighting style is not focused on overwhelming his opponent with giant POD shots. His is more focused on finely tuning his POD and masterfully controlling it. And plus he's bound to cause less collateral damage.

Never said Rias was stronger, but when it comes to the power-type category, she surpasses Sirzechs.
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Old 2018-04-25, 22:18   Link #3911
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When it comes to how they battle, she basically does. Sirzechs fighting style is not focused on overwhelming his opponent with giant POD shots. His is more focused on finely tuning his POD and masterfully controlling it. And plus he's bound to cause less collateral damage.

Never said Rias was stronger, but when it comes to the power-type category, she surpasses Sirzechs.
You are wrong for one reason. What attack of her has more raw power than Sirzechs attack?

Only Extinguish Star. But even Extinguish Star is the size of a ball of Basketball while Sirzechs orbs might be half of that size.

But no matter what size of attack Rias launches to her enemy, it wont have the same effect of one os Sirzechs orbs, why?

Rias burst of PoD, is weak only because she does not compress its power. Sirzechs small orb is much stronger than any blast of PoD that Rias uses.

Rias reached almost Satan Class power when she fought Kokabiel and she couldnt do nothing to him, her attack was a big blast, more than ten times bigger than her casual attack:

Spoiler for First Boost vs Kokabiel:


That was the first time Issei transferred his power to Rias it was 10 times bigger. But that was not the maximum power that he can transfer, he then transferred the max power to Rias and we dont know the size,

Spoiler for Maximum Boost to Rias:


Like you see, bigger attacks does not mean more power. If you compress the power then it might have more power than a big attack which are the orbs of Rias and Sirzechs. For this reason, Rias takes time to gather a lot of PoD in the orb, who knows how big it would be if it was not concentrated or compressed.
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Old 2018-04-25, 23:13   Link #3912
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The battle style of each beaing in DxD verse can be classified in 5 categories which are:

  1. Support
  2. Technique
  3. Power
  4. Wizard
  5. Leadership

Those is how powers are classified, but we must understand that the proficiency and battle style must not be confused. For example, Ajuka, he is said to be a Super Devil equal to Sirzechs who is a monster between monsters, yet, Ajuka does not show overwhelming power like Sirzechs True Form. So Ajuka battle style might be Wizard-Technique. But, his level of power or proficiency could be 1000/100 just to put a number and that does not change his battle style. 100 being satan class.


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Support: Battle style where the user is not usually in the front line, their power is to enhance the performance of oneself or others.

The user can temporarily enhance a variety of a targets performance such as speed, strength, durability, accuracy, powers, intelligence, summons, etc. This power can also protect the target against any and/or all ailments that hinders them as well as accelerate their bodies healing process to gain a regenerative healing factor. The user can even apply more than one/all enhancements at the same time.

The user can also cause hindrance to the enemy in both powers, physical and spiritual nature.

Technique: Battle style where the user uses his abilities and cunningness to fight, they rely on skill and mastery of abilities. Technique abilities is complementary to the power of the user or the use of such power in a different manner of battle style.

Some examples are: speed and cunning to Kiba, saced gear abilites, reflect of Albion, etc.

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Power: The power that the user possess and can use to as an attack. It can be divide in two categories: physical power and energy power (demonic, holy, divine, etc) or the combination of them.

  • Physical Power: Represents the physical strength and defence the the user possess
  • Energy: The user can release/use energy/matter (whether organic, inorganic, objects, etc.) to attacks of various shapes and/or intensities, either projected, used as a part of melee attacks, etc.
  • Energy Combat: Users of this ability are able to combine their aura with their physical combat skill, allowing them to either augment any of their body parts as well as their physical condition or simply use the aura for any other defensive or offensive purpose.

Wizard: The ability to use paranormal methods to manipulate supernatural forces. Those who possess this ability are known Wizards and usually are ranged fighters.

The user has access to magic, the use of rituals, symbols, actions, gestures, language, etc., to exploit supernatural forces to varying degrees, with only their skill, personal power-level, imagination/knowledge, and/or morality to define the borders. Given the flexibility of magic, its users have essentially unlimited possibilities for what to do.

Wizards uses Magic power, but since in DxD the magic power is a derivative of Demonic power we can asume that the user controlling its Demonic Power can be called a Wizard. For attack, defensive, supplementary, etc purposes.
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Old 2018-04-26, 02:01   Link #3913
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You guys play too much MOBA game -_-
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Old 2018-04-26, 02:39   Link #3914
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Do you think rias would try to fight issei or let him to strada and crom cruach
Who she would fight instead ?
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Old 2018-04-26, 04:08   Link #3915
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By that logic Issei should have lost to Barakiel. Strada broke Vali's armor but did he take him out? Issei did the same thing in Volume 4. So just landing one hit on the person doesn't guarantee a win especially if that person is at the same level or stronger than you. A match doesn't end or is decided when one person lands a hit. Vali seemed fine to me as he was able to use DiD afterwards and fight Crom Cruach.

So can we have an intelligent debate about this instead of simply saying 'this person did this, so no way this guy can beat him.'
He broke Vali's armor while Vali couldn't even land a hit on him despite the assistance he had from Bikou and Fenrir. Was Barakiel able to break Issei's armor during their fight? Nope. Strada wins based on his feats and performance in battle. If EJO Vali couldn't touch him then what makes you think CxC Issei could so any better?

@Bleach1996 Rias would mostly likely fight Grayfia. Issei is no doubt going to fight Crom Cruach.
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Old 2018-04-26, 07:17   Link #3916
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@Kiiro: Don't double post.

@Lucidrago: What Syzorst said. As for Sirzechs and Rias. I agree with Kiiro on that. Not only does Sirzechs have ten times more raw power than the original Maou, as Kiiro pointed out, his casual attacks are as powerful as Extinguish Star and that's not even in his true form. His most powerful attack would then be much more powerful than Extinguish Star. So he does have more attack power than Rias. We just haven't seen him use it. But not seeing it in this case doesn't necessarily prove it's not there.

Also, Lucidrago, I think you're too caught up on what classification someone is. Don't just assume that being a Technique-type automatically means that the person has less attack power than a Power-type of even a lower level of power. If you compare Vali and Ise, who are nearly equal, then yeah, sure, Ise has more attack power while their amount of overall raw power is almost the same. But in the case of Sirzechs and Rias, where the latter is much, much weaker? Sirzechs has both higher attack power and also worlds higher overall raw power than his sister. Again, one of his small, compressed orbs of Power of Destruction is on the same level as Extinguish Star and that's just a casual attack. Can you imagine how his most powerful attack would be?

Against Ise as well, I'd say Sirzechs has greater raw power and also greater attack power. Sirzechs may have greater raw power than DxD G Ise, too.
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Old 2018-04-26, 07:23   Link #3917
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Well i don't think it's fair to compare Rias' POD and Sirzechs' POD now, there's a huge gap of age between them after all.
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Old 2018-04-26, 07:26   Link #3918
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Well i don't think it's fair to compare Rias' POD and Sirzechs' POD now, there's a huge gap of age between them after all.
Age gap is irrelevant. Rias has more raw power than Sona despite being the same age.
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Old 2018-04-26, 08:10   Link #3919
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Sirzechs rather uses the nature of POD which is to erase rather than just trying to overwhelm his opponent with the bigger, more powerful attack. That's why his POD is much smaller but way more potent than Rias'. They have two different fighting styles. With Sirzechs focusing on technique, he doesn't go for the pure power approach like Rias or Issei. While Rias just fires gigantic shots of POD and just uses it in the most power-oriented way possible. Well Sirzechs masterfully controls his and relies more on its nature to 'erase' things from existence.

Power-types tend to have more attack power than technique-types largely due to the way they fight.

You equate being stronger with having more attack power than somebody without taking into account a person's fighting style. Does Sirzechs overwhelm overs with pure power like Rias does? Like gigantic shots of POD that are meant to basically just barrel through defenses and other's attacks. While Sirzechs uses his mastery and understanding of POD to 'erase' attacks and other things.

He broke Vali's armor when Vali couldn't touch him. Can you claim that something like that would determine the battle? It takes way more than one good hit to defeat someone most of the time.
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Old 2018-04-26, 08:22   Link #3920
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It seems that Bova is getting some rough treatment as a member of Ise's team. he hasn't performed excellently. He did well against Team Lighting in Vol 22, he had a bad early game in vol 23 where his frustration caused disruption with his teammates & Nero was beating him, then in DX4 it was stated that in his fight against Bennia she had the advantage & finally in Vol 25 he was retired against Typhon bu that was fricking Typhon.

It seems that he & Irina, have performed the poorest among Ise's team.

Poor guy
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