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I will say I liked it, but unfortunately KYoAni is now facing a more fierce competition than six years ago, with Fate/Zero, Kids on the Slope, Uchuu Kyoudai and Jormungand. Which, all the four, have a more compelling cast of characters and/or story and /or running theme that all together have a broader appeal. And this is how I feel that Hyou-ka is going to be compared all over the run. |
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2012-04-23, 08:40 | Link #562 |
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Hmm... not sure why people are comparing Satoshi to Sunohara from CLANNAD. They may share the same Voice Actor(VA), but their characters are much different. Sunohara is basically a lech with a heart of gold. Satoshi so far, is acting as Houtarou's wingman.
Note that Houtarou was going to opt out of joining the Classics Club because Eru had already joined. If Satoshi had not intervened, they might never have continued to interact meaningfully. To put it simply, there is chemistry between Eru and Houtarou, but Houtarou is kinda inert. Satoshi is the Catalyst. *BOOM!* Chemical reaction, and fun times are had. As the episode progresses, you will see that Satoshi acts as an ice-breaker, and also prods Houtarou into action towards the end of the episode. Cheers.
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2012-04-23, 08:49 | Link #563 |
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I'll just get this outta the way because this statement pretty much sums up Hyouka for me:
DEM PURPLE EYES Seriously, I lol'd when they became all artistic and almost Shaft-like with all that iris sparkling and various camera angles and zoom-ins. The hell is Kyoani trying to do here? Trying the mimick the Nisemonogatari toothbrush scene but replace it with eye fetish? Well at least it wasn't obnoxious fratboy fanservice so at least I'll admit to enjoying "dem purple eyes" somewhat . Actually somewhat is underrating. I ENJOYED THEM A LOT. They look like purple lolipops that are desperately wanting to be licked :3 But aside from that... I didn't care much for the series as I was quite bored tbh. In fact, I forgot what the mysteries were already. The atmosphere seems like a poor man's Bungaku Shojo to me, though visuals were superior. Talking about visuals, they were indeed great, typical of Kyoani, except for those chipmunk faces which I dislike. However, it wasn't mindblowing or anything as in recent years we have been spoilt by glorious visuals. I'll put it up in roughly the same league as Hanasaku Iroha or Guilty Crown from last year, but inferior to the likes of say Fate Zero/Lupin III this season. 5/10 + 0.5 for strong visuals +1 for dem purple eyes = 6.5/10. Call me shallow but fuck it... it's not like I had high expectations for this so I'm not raging unlike a certain thread . And I think a certain level of shallowness is required to enjoy this series as this was obvious from the Kyoani history in recent years + trailer that this wasn't going to be groundbreakingly awesome in any way. EDIT: Talking about "top of the season". No, Hyouka isn't close to it. Space Brothers, Sakamichi no Appollon, Fate Zero S2, Lupin III, Jormungand and heck even Accel World is superior to this (at least for now)... Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2012-04-23 at 09:06. |
2012-04-23, 09:03 | Link #564 |
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Not so original, but I can only agree that this pilot episode was a tad too safe for my liking, and doesn't present a engaging mood... yet.
If I discard the mystery label put beforehand, the first episode did accomplish an appropriate setup for a "regular not ambitious high school boy". Bland? Perhaps, I wouldn't be surprised if much more events are set on motion: after all, Houtarou did something unusual compared to what a "CBA" guy would do. That being said, I sure hope things will have more dynamics from now on, as Satoshi is the main catalyst of everything right now, which is a bit plain (In fact, I was wondering if the voice acting direction was a bit misplaced or truly depicting Satoshi's character since... he talks as if he was in a drama/theater). Speaking of which, I was nearly expecting some cameo or seiyuu joke, since Houtarou/Satoshi duo isn't without similarities with Tomoyo/Youhei from clannad, albeit hardly that extreme (I plead guilty that I sort of expected Eru to be voiced by Nkahara ) Meanwhile, I'm sort of surprised about the criticism regarding animation and design for this series: I dunno, KA isn't really prone to dish out things for eye candy aspect alone. The strength for Hyouka however is that things -do- look alive here: it isn't only the main characters, but you have some environment cohesion with a sheer amount of details regarding students walking around, furniture in the rooms etc. It isn't like you need anything close to Iroha or FZ for that kind of stuff, since it would make things totally unecessary. It is basically K-on but on a much higher level. Anyway, average pilot, but still has potential to have more engaging plot, depending what kind of mysteries they will introduce. I surely don't expect anything the likes of Higurashi, Another and whatnot. If mystery are presented in a casual fashion, that's fine too if the characters interactions are brought to an interesting/funny light, which seems to be the case.
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2012-04-23, 09:08 | Link #565 |
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Sunohara was a fair catalyst too. A much more colorful one with worse intentions, but still a catalyst. Houtaro's apathy isn't that different from Tomoyo's thus far, nor Kyon's, but not as negative yet admittedly.
There are finer details that are different but the overall dynamic is fairly similar to some things seen before. Hyou-ka is far from the worst show of the season. But when you start morphing in aspects from several shows into what you do next, a good number of people will be reminded of those aspects/moments and start making comparisons in their head over and over while they watch the new one. K-ON worked because it struck a chord with a crowd previous KyoAni titles didn't - high school girls, plus also generated interest within that age group to want to play music. Haruhi is still easily recognised today as is Yuki because they have the visual appeal and the numerous moments to appeal to both genders plus Haruhi's personality just reaches out and demands your attention from the get go. Clannad had a mix of personalities where at least one character was easy to bond with if not more, its sense of humour and sob story. My point is - despite my varied feelings about said shows, there were undeniable hooks from the get go. The shows quickly established where they would go overall even if the pace was slow early. The things mentioned about this show on database sights in the blurb really weren't fleshed out much. A bit more development of character motivations and what the show wants to do would have helped big time. Or a stop-in-your-tracks moment. That's all I'd have wanted. The fact I didn't see or get one was a fair letdown. An episode fairly dominated by the side male character, Satoshi, didn't leave much of an impression. I'll follow this for a while longer, since it was a somewhat positive start and probably something to do with a two cour pacing. Still...that episode could have done more.
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2012-04-23, 09:36 | Link #568 | |
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Instead I'd definitely have to say Kyoani's signature look is school interiors with hardwood floors, sunlit windows and glamor shots of random every day objects that are clearly recreations of actual photos. This is the first I can remember them doing the camera angle thing to anywhere near this degree though. The eye thing is pretty hilarious though. I can't tell if they're working on a fetish appeal for the character or just being random though....which is kind of the same situation I've run into with a lot of Shaft shows. Anyway thanks for bringing that up so I didn't have to. |
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2012-04-23, 09:48 | Link #569 |
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Hyouka reminds me a lot of Disappearance in terms of visual style, designs, directing and pace. Same restraint as well and the signature Kyoani Haruhi eye-zoom in...
Houtarou is a slacker/sarcastic MC, bit of a dour version of Kyon. Satoshi seems to be the MC's Watson. Eri so far has not reveled much of her personality yet, except a tendency to obsess over details. The anime is very striking in what is absent. Nothing out of this world or outrageous of the type of things that you'd expect in a late night anime so far. Also, the characters actually wear realistic high school uniforms instead of some fantasy, candy colored version. It's almost like watching a Shinkai, Yoshiura or Ghilbi production. Kyoani seems to continue a trend that set in around K-on's second season. |
2012-04-23, 09:57 | Link #570 |
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First episode was average. I wasn't impressed and looking at Houtarou made me bored.
He doesn't want to waste energy seriously , what a lazy person. There are some Kyon/Tomoya vibes but that's it. He looks boring but well let's see how it will go. Fortunately there's Satoshi to help him. The scene Chitanda x Houtarou with flowers was ridiculous , and the purple eyes isn't to my taste. The mystery , well , it helps the charac's introduction but hope it was really for this and not what we'll eat the next episodes. So they choose the popular violon's music(don't remember the name of the music) as the main bgm. Well , give it 2/3 more episodes. |
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But the camera work seems more an extension of what they've been doing since their earlier series; such techniques were used to quite great degrees even in their last production Nichijou, which was a hotbed for all kinds of animation and artistic experimentation. (I'll really recommend anyone who has an interest in animation to watch Nichijou) Quote:
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2012-04-23, 10:20 | Link #573 | |
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The visual approach Takemoto uses now with Houyka is very much like cinematic/ova anime that build ambiance rather than late night anime centered on character marketing. |
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2012-04-23, 10:33 | Link #574 | |
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Hyouka isn't bad but calling it or kyoani similar to ghibli or shinkai is just outrageous. If anything noitamina shows have the best chance to reach that outside audience outside of those prominent directors. |
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As for k-on,even if you might wonder how it's surprisingly popular among highschool girls so it is a fact that it's become popular outside of otaku demographic.Or so I've heard,don't have a source.
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2012-04-23, 10:42 | Link #576 |
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You should not compare Fate/Zero and Lupin III animation to this, I'm sorry but that's just ignorant. I like both show more than this show premiere, but both show using 'satsuei' (photography) more than actual animation on its visual, by photography its means there's a lot shot to the face or high part to reduce the animation and trying to make still shot looks pretty despite lack of animation, Hyouka's animation is not like that. Although Hyouka do look like satsuei anime here n there, typical Kyoani that love their sexy background.
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2012-04-23, 10:55 | Link #578 | |
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2012-04-23, 10:58 | Link #579 |
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We might as well redirect the discussion towards KA / K-on threads instead, but to put the facts back to where they belong: judging from the reception, sales, marketing etc, no, K-on is hardly "otaku pandering only" by a long shot, considering the demographic (hell, it even airs on jp Disney channel). So like it or not, the series has won over an audience far less niche than other KA series.
Back to Hyouka, the targeted audience is on the middle ground once again, although it really depends how they are going to play their game for this one.
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2012-04-23, 11:05 | Link #580 | |
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This approach fails to take in a number of key factors though including: - Which demographic bought which percentage of the products - Diehard otaku that buy multiple copies of the same product to jack up sales numbers thus throwing off many of the normal indicators you might be able to look for in them...yes some fans in Japan are this intense. Large numbers can mean anything, but a breakdown of sales by demographic would be more of an indicator. I can see some young girls getting into K-On, but when I think mainstream for that demographic I think something more like Precure. Likewise I just can't see the salary-man demographic latching onto something like K-On. This brings up an interesting question though, who is this particular show attempting to appeal too? Mystery fans? Moe fans? School-Life anime fans? I don't think there was much in the way of a mystery in the first episode so I kind have to lean more towards the latter. edit: Argh beaten, but yeah sales numbers. |
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