2010-08-28, 18:14 | Link #1021 | |
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2010-08-28, 18:51 | Link #1022 |
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Back to the Battler's Beatrice and Yasu's Beatrice discussion, it actually makes me wonder how that works. We were indeed told the reason Beatrice died in EP5 was because she had lost the will to keep playing. Featherine told us that reviving that Beatrice is impossible. However, reviving Beatrice seemed to be the main theme in EP6.
The whole deal about how people can change depending on their experiences is talked to in great detail in EP6 (with chick-Beato as an example) and in EP7 (with the parallel stories of Yasu and Lyon). If I were to draw a parallel between what we saw about chick-Beato in EP6 and Yasu's stories in EP7, both of them were created to love Battler. We're also told the Golden Witch (i.e. the complete Beatrice) depends on several factors other than love towards Battler - amongst these things are the rumours in Rokkenjima, the Epitaph, etc... Beato's flashback in EP6 connects perfectly well with what we saw in EP7. Beatrice was created because Shannon/Yasu couldn't bear with having to wait for Battler. I'm still wondering why the deal about how people's personalities are moulded according to their experiences has been brought up as something crucial. Sure, there's Lyon, but no matter what happens, the life Yasu has lead won't change. So, in that regard, Beatrice couldn't have died, unless Yasu has completely given up on Battler, to the point nothing will make her like him again. However, if Battler can do something about that, then I'd find Featherine's Red about not being able to revive Beatrice completely pointless.
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2010-08-28, 19:10 | Link #1024 | |
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Chick-Beato regains the memories of Yasu-Beato in Episode 6, near the end. Independently of Battler, but also for the sake of rescuing him and understanding herself. So rather than a "revival", more like a "reincarnation"? In understanding and grasping the true nature/purpose of her own existence, Beatrice is able to complete herself once more? In that case, while it's true that "That Beatrice can not be resurrected", it's more like she...fixed herself? I understand that the connotation of a revival is someone bringing another back from the dead, so in that case, as it was Chick-Beato that came back to her full self under her own volition, it'd be a self-reincarnation, which is something done independently, I believe. I may just be grasping at straws here, however. So if we put this in perspective of Yasutrice, then that would mean that...Yasu would have fallen in love with Battler again? Or decided to pin her hopes on him again, now that he needed her most? Either way, the central trait of Yasu-Beato is "Loving Battler", right? Therefore, in order for Yasu-Beato to exist, requires that Yasu be in love with Battler, or else it's simply not the same thing. So if the death of Beato in Episode 5 is due to the death of those feelings. Then Beatrice's revival would be to those feelings of love being rekindled? In that sense, Beatrice would be the "love Yasu has for Battler from 6 years ago". And Beato's revival at the end of Episode 6 is "The love Yasu has for Battler right now". Including the feelings from six years ago. I understand that both points Ive made in this post are mostly unrelated...But I put a lot more store in the latter point. Beatrice is Yasu's love for Battler. Chick Beato is an echo of that, and Yasu's love for Battler would have been revived in full at the end of Episode 6, hence the memories and personality returning. |
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2010-08-28, 19:29 | Link #1025 | |
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If I look at golden age of the western movies, wiki dates it between 1930 and 1950. Even if some of the spaghetti western are considered among the best western movies ever produced, they came when the genre was already dying. BTW what it's said is that Rudolf only possesses a shotgun with a similar mechanism of those winchester, he doesn't actually possess the very same thing. This makes sense considering it would be illegal and he would have a lot of a harder time playing with it while living in tokyo.
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2010-08-28, 20:02 | Link #1027 | |
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But looking up the westerns produced an even more interesting question. A sawed-off lever action rifle is a very distinctive weapon, and it originates with a very specific character. Now, that raises eyebrows.
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2010-08-28, 20:09 | Link #1029 | |
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And that tacky green outfit. And how he acts just so damn cocky, yet he's completely useless in every arc despite his attempts to be cool. I don't blame you at all. |
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2010-08-28, 20:16 | Link #1031 | ||
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With all the silly things he is supposed to have been doing, I wonder when Kinzo had any time for his magical research...
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2010-08-28, 20:22 | Link #1032 |
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Or maybe he bought the replica themselves.
I guess no one really wanted to believe that the stakes were just cheap paperweights. I guess you would say "how could everyone seriously believe that those junk were weapons?" But guess what, they are worthless junk. Despite all of his money it appears that Kinzo doesn't care too much about the actual value of the stuff he buys from america. A man like him could have gotten some real occult tools, but he was satisfied with those cheap paperweights. So would it be that surprising if the four winchester were actually just toy replicas?
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2010-08-28, 20:28 | Link #1033 | |
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EDIT: For a moment I thought that them being toy guns would explain why there's four of them. Toys for the four siblings. Then I realised that it can't be earlier than 1958, which makes the time window when all four siblings could have been expected to play together with toy guns very, very short, if not zero...
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2010-08-28, 20:44 | Link #1034 | |
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Illusion to illusion.
Beatrice's game has been a charade since the beginning. BTW about Rudolf, I just realized that Japan most certainly didn't receive any movie from USA from 1939 to 1945, however as soon as it surrendered it must have been literally flooded with made in USA products, including all the movies it didn't get until that point. Quote:
Okay seriously I have no clue why he wanted four of them.
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2010-08-28, 20:47 | Link #1035 | |
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2010-08-28, 21:16 | Link #1038 |
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The "This is all true!" one? If we subscribe to the dominant theory that red is confined to the boundaries of a single game unless it is sufficiently generic or specifically says it is not, it should be obvious that no matter how much of a hand Bernkastel had in writing that story, it can be "true" within the boundaries of that one game, but that says nothing about it being the truth of Rokkenjima-Prime, nor it prevents it having a divergence point not on the morning of the 4th like all of the other stories seem to, but much earlier, like 19 years in the past.
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2010-08-28, 21:32 | Link #1040 |
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Actually, we don't even have to go that far, we can just outright claim that since this is Bernkastel's game, it's entirely divergent from the other games up until this point. Or at least an entirely new gameboard constructed by Bernkastel for the sake of trolling Ange for the amusement of Featherine and herself.
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