Tate no Yuusha/Shield Hero Season 2 Anime Episode Discussion

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by stray

Hmm.. I mean you can tell from the OP there's going to be a lot of new characters, but if you don't like Naofumi and Filo you're probably not going to have a good time.

I saw all of those new characters hence my question whether it's worth a watch or not if I'm only invested in the revenge plot back in S1.

Originally Posted by stray

Though I respect your right to hate watch should you choose.

Hate-watching anime is a waste of time for me unless I'm invested in the franchise in general (which I don't think Shield Hero is much of a franchise I'm invested in). If I want a hate-watch, I can always turn on the news. My time is precious.

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

It’s not really stated in the anime, at least as far as I remember, but in the ln by being Naofumi’s slave, they get massive boosts in stats and exp. It’s one of the reasons Raphtalia and Filo are so overpowered despite not being heroes. Kinda like if a normal party member levels up they might get +1 to a stat but being his slave gives them +2

I figured as much when Raphtalia was talking about the positive benefits...it just felt kind of weird .

Originally Posted by stray

Hmm.. I mean you can tell from the OP there's going to be a lot of new characters, but if you don't like Naofumi and Filo you're probably not going to have a good time. Though I respect your right to hate watch should you choose. I like Shield Hero specifically because its feels more 'epic RPG' than 'cookie cutter isekai'.

For some reason I really liked seeing Naofumi's status screen .

[Estzero1]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

It's not so strange if you've watched Mahouka. In that show, we have a bunch of girls in the MC's party who are paired with other guys.

That's a pretty weak comparision if you ask me. Besides Mizuki, there is no one who fits this criteria. And even she and Miki aren't a really couple at this point, probably later.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Estzero1

That's a pretty weak comparision if you ask me. Besides Mizuki, there is no one who fits this criteria. And even she and Miki aren't a really couple at this point, probably later.

When I said "paired" it doesn't mean they have to be formal lovers. The fact that they have feelings for other men or (there's an impression of) being closer to other men outside the MC is enough. And we have a bunch of them IIRC:

Spoiler for Mahouka chara relationships:

Mari Watanabe -> Naotsugu Chiba
Mizuki Shibata -> Mikihiko Yoshida
Erika Chiba -> Leonhard Saijou
Sayaka Mibu -> Takeaki Kirihara

Obviously I dont read the LN, so I don't know the details of their feelings aside from what the anime showed/implied. Anyway, this is getting off-topic. So....let's stop.

[Estzero1]

I have to answer this, otherwise we can't finish this conversation, so I will keep it short.
3 of them are correct, but 2 of them don't really belong to MCs party. The last one is actually wrong but I get why people would think that way . This should wrap this topic up.

[Wandering Soul]

You really have to wonder why the other heroes even exist at this point. If the OP is any indication, they really are just going to be useless again.

[BWTraveller]

Side note, I noticed something. Are there bandages under Keel’s shirt?

[The Green One]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

You really have to wonder why the other heroes even exist at this point. If the OP is any indication, they really are just going to be useless again.

To make Nafoumi look better by comparison.

[magnuskn]

Why would the writer have to at this point? Aside from being a bit brusque sometimes, Naofumi is a respected hero, runs his own area competently, is helpful to the queen and so on.

To me it seemed a bit strange that the three other heroes all got up simultaneously and left. It seems from my perspective as if they have their own plans which run in the background. The part about wanting to focus on the waves exclusively somehow seemed more of a contrivance than their real intentions.

[stray]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Why would the writer have to at this point? Aside from being a bit brusque sometimes, Naofumi is a respected hero, runs his own area competently, is helpful to the queen and so on.

To me it seemed a bit strange that the three other heroes all got up simultaneously and left. It seems from my perspective as if they have their own plans which run in the background. The part about wanting to focus on the waves exclusively somehow seemed more of a contrivance than their real intentions.

They changed things around a bit (Naofumi wasn't really supposed to have his territory until later) but the gist is pretty much the same, that the heroes 1. don't want to work together and 2. want autonomy from the kingdom.

[Dengar]

There is more to this story than just making Naofumi look good. If the other heroes were useless before, they will keep being useless until something happens with that. Does that not make sense?

[Frontier]

My takeaway after thinking it over was that the Three Stooges wanted to beat Naofumi to the Tortoise so they can get more EXP than him, which is why they acted like it didn't matter to them.

Fitoria keeps acting like it's important for all four Heroes to work together when Naofumi does fine just basically carrying everything with his shield. Was it like this with the original Shield Hero and she just doesn't remember ?

[Twi]

He hasn't been doing just fine. He's been barely scraping by. Despite my own beliefs about the narrative and how it bends to make Naofumi look good and my questioning why they hadn't locked the princess in a tower and bricked it shut, the heroes are the strongest people due to the benefits of their weapons, while Naofumi's party has only been able to match them because of the Slave-User Shield giving them increased stat growths because of course it does.

The waves are going to get stronger and Glass' party both helped them deal with the sea monster and then barely got routed the last time, so the tricks they pulled won't work a second time. The other heroes are the best bet they have working in tandem with him, but the earlier part of the series along with the fact that the King summoned all four when they were supposed to be split to handle the waves across the different areas have left them all underleveled and uncooperative to the point where Fitoria has been doing the heavy lifting off-screen.

The problem is she's making empty threats because you can't kill them and have the story continue, so it doesn't have much weight out of universe.

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by Twi

He hasn't been doing just fine. He's been barely scraping by. Despite my own beliefs about the narrative and how it bends to make Naofumi look good and my questioning why they hadn't locked the princess in a tower and bricked it shut, the heroes are the strongest people due to the benefits of their weapons, while Naofumi's party has only been able to match them because of the Slave-User Shield giving them increased stat growths because of course it does.

The waves are going to get stronger and Glass' party both helped them deal with the sea monster and then barely got routed the last time, so the tricks they pulled won't work a second time. The other heroes are the best bet they have working in tandem with him, but the earlier part of the series along with the fact that the King summoned all four when they were supposed to be split to handle the waves across the different areas have left them all underleveled and uncooperative to the point where Fitoria has been doing the heavy lifting off-screen.

The problem is she's making empty threats because you can't kill them and have the story continue, so it doesn't have much weight out of universe.

I mean, it probably is an empty threat, but I can imagine she could maybe put enough fear into them for them to clean up their acts...but I might be expecting too much of those three .

[Twi]

I'd personally like her to show up and beat all four of them into the ground to get the point across since the deal with Pope didn't do the trick.

[stray]

Originally Posted by Twi

He hasn't been doing just fine. He's been barely scraping by. Despite my own beliefs about the narrative and how it bends to make Naofumi look good and my questioning why they hadn't locked the princess in a tower and bricked it shut, the heroes are the strongest people due to the benefits of their weapons, while Naofumi's party has only been able to match them because of the Slave-User Shield giving them increased stat growths because of course it does.

Its more about the skills they gained while they were level capped; the heroes have high levels but their skill trees are basically empty. Naofumi's group (other than Rishia) is stacked because they had to work within their limits. They caught up with the other hero groups on levels at the island though.

Given all the new characters in the OP I wouldn't expect too much from the three stooges this season either. Maybe in S3... or S5...

[magnuskn]

Well, I agree that the show relied a bit too much on making the other three heroes stupid to make Naofumi look good, especially since he was in his edgelord phase during at least half of the first season. Since they presumably are out of the picture for the foreseeable time, it'll be interesting if Naofumi grows a bit without such crutches.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Frontier

I mean, it probably is an empty threat, but I can imagine she could maybe put enough fear into them for them to clean up their acts...but I might be expecting too much of those three .

I think the argument is more that the threat isn't empty from an in-universe perspective. It's just that the audience know she will never get to follow through on it because the story hinges on the heroes succeeding.

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I think the argument is more that the threat isn't empty from an in-universe perspective. It's just that the audience know she will never get to follow through on it because the story hinges on the heroes succeeding.

I get that. I'm just ready for it to sink in for the other heroes...

[BWTraveller]

I’ve said it before, but I don’t think the intent was to make him look good by comparison, but rather to note the problems with certain types of “hero” (both LN heroes and gameplay styles). One’s a loner who focuses on power, one is always just even when he doesn’t bother to think things through, and one only cares about making any woman near him happy. These all have connections to common heroic tropes, and we’re shown how bad they can be.