The Novel and Manga of Haruhi Suzumiya

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by kniteowl

where is it? I'd like to read it... sounds hilarious.

Check out the Baka-Tsuki forums. This theory started specifically in this thread (check toward the bottom of the page) and is fleshed out a bit if you keep reading. It is also suggested a few other places in the forums, but I'm pretty sure it originated there, as it was new to me when I first saw it there.

Originally Posted by panzerfan

It has already been said that the Tsuruya family maintains tie with the Agency, albeit Tsuruya is keeping a distance with full association with Koizumi. It remains to be seen how this plays out.

The impression I've gotten is that the leaders of her house are funding the Organization, but even though she is the future leader of the house (I'm sure I read that somewhere) she hasn't been told about that alliance yet. Of course, with Tsuruya-san, "what she's been told" and "what she knows via her Batman-like skills of observation" are often two completely different things.

[KeitaroNagato]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Check out the Baka-Tsuki forums. This theory started specifically in this thread (check toward the bottom of the page) and is fleshed out a bit if you keep reading. It is also suggested a few other places in the forums, but I'm pretty sure it originated there, as it was new to me when I first saw it there.


The impression I've gotten is that the leaders of her house are funding the Organization, but even though she is the future leader of the house (I'm sure I read that somewhere) she hasn't been told about that alliance yet. Of course, with Tsuruya-san, "what she's been told" and "what she knows via her Batman-like skills of observation" are often two completely different things.

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Tsuruya-san, she has not mention to much about herself, only the clues being told by Koizumi. It seems that she has more information and the concept of the SOS Brigade, aswell as the nature of Haruhi and perhaps the reason or reasons Kyon is hanging around with them. To me, she seems more or less a silent SOS Brigade member, helping them in the shadows.

Koizumi has mention that she has connections to the Organization. I suspect that her family is more then just a funded member, maybe a cover up for Co-vert operations, such as dealings with beings like Nagato (aliens) and Mikuru (time-travellers). All purpose to keep Haruhi with Kyon at a close watch, and to provide protection and aid if its necessary.

Remember, the Organization consider Haruhi as the omnipotent essence that created everything, from the universe to life itself, in sense reality. That makes her the creator of all living things, the stars to planets and the darkness of space with all its own secrets. In other words, she is God.

By stating that, Haruhi is not aware of her own essences, her own divinity. The theory is, if she becomes aware of her powers, all the rules of nature and science will be broken by her will, thus the universe will be in chaos.

Tsuruya-san is aware of the nightmare that would happen to the universe, if the "sleeping-God" becomes aware of its surroundings. So its her duty, and honor to protect and serve God. Even if its in a distance, a shadow that lurks in the background, supporting all into the light of Good.

[Kinny Riddle]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Check out the Baka-Tsuki forums. This theory started specifically in this thread (check toward the bottom of the page) and is fleshed out a bit if you keep reading. It is also suggested a few other places in the forums, but I'm pretty sure it originated there, as it was new to me when I first saw it there.


The impression I've gotten is that the leaders of her house are funding the Organization, but even though she is the future leader of the house (I'm sure I read that somewhere) she hasn't been told about that alliance yet. Of course, with Tsuruya-san, "what she's been told" and "what she knows via her Batman-like skills of observation" are often two completely different things.

Now that you mention Batman, think of Tsuruya-san as someone like Lucius Fox, a very valuable ally who isn't in the know-how of Bruce Wayne's true identity as Batman, but yet can more or less accurately guess what's going on. Though Tsuruya-san chooses not to pry too much and just enjoys her time with the SOS Brigade whenever she has the chance to.

[RR642]

Spoiler for Regarding Vol. 9:

Regarding the mysterious girl who made the phone call and turned up at the Brigade recruitment (assuming its the same person of course, its likely that it is), I find it odd that Kyon at first counted 11 people, only to realise later there were 12. This could have just been a device to setup Kyon noticing this particular person, or she could have just come in late while Kyon and Koizumi were looking for chairs, but perhaps going with the theory that she is a slider she actually came into this universe from the other in that time.

Taking this theory further, it's possible that at some point in the second universe Kyon will meet this person and she will be identified as the slider. This might explain how she has his number, because he gave it her in the other universe. The only question is why she would slide from one universe to the other and make that phone call.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by RR642

Spoiler for Regarding Vol. 9:

Regarding the mysterious girl who made the phone call and turned up at the Brigade recruitment (assuming its the same person of course, its likely that it is), I find it odd that Kyon at first counted 11 people, only to realise later there were 12. This could have just been a device to setup Kyon noticing this particular person, or she could have just come in late while Kyon and Koizumi were looking for chairs, but perhaps going with the theory that she is a slider she actually came into this universe from the other in that time.

Taking this theory further, it's possible that at some point in the second universe Kyon will meet this person and she will be identified as the slider. This might explain how she has his number, because he gave it her in the other universe. The only question is why she would slide from one universe to the other and make that phone call.

No, because that would involve time travel. And I doubt that a slider can time travel.

[Hedd]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

No, because that would involve time travel. And I doubt that a slider can time travel.

So far the time travelers have shown they enjoy meddling with the timeline, who says they don't do the same with the slider?

[RR642]

I'll put this in spoiler tags once again just to be safe, since I keep talking about specific events of the story.

Spoiler for spoilers v 9:

I appreciate Kaisos' point, it is getting a bit out there to assume this slider has also time traveled, but considering we already know of two individuals capable of time travel (and past experience shows they can bring people with them) it's not impossible to think they could have time traveled with the slider and then allowed the slider to cross over, and as you point out Hedd, time travelers are not past meddling with time if necessary. It would most likely however require some future event in the B universe to coax the brigade (or anti-SOS brigade ) to go to such lengths in order to prevent something from happening, like Yuki's sickness for example.

Either way I'm still inclined to believe that since the girl who made that phone call seemed to have already met Kyon, even though he doesn't recognize her, and then the sudden appearance of a 12th person at the meeting, that she is the slider who is native to the B universe where she HAS met Kyon, albeit not yet if the universes are synchronized in time.

Of course, theirs always the natural explanation that she is just somebody who knows Kyon who he has forgotten about, and just decided to call him that night for no unnatural reason, but then we're kind of back to the drawing board on what the link is between A and B and who the slider is (if anyone :P ).

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

No, because that would involve time travel. And I doubt that a slider can time travel.

Spoiler for Volume 9 theory:

Nah, I think Slider-tan is from yet another alternate universe/timeline outside of alpha and beta, and first came to "our" timeline some time (probably quite shortly) before the phone call in chapter 2. That's when the alpha timeline fractured off (carrying her with it) and the original timeline (beta) continued unchanged, with the Dark SOS/Kyon meeting and Yuki getting sick, etc. I don't think Slider-tan exists at all (anymore, yet) in beta.

As for how she got into the meeting, I think she just walked in while Kyon was getting chairs. Yuki would have gone Defcon 1 had Slider-tan just "slid" in with Haruhi or Kyon present. Whether or not Yuki can sense her slider nature, she's not going to miss that kind of "change in data".

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Spoiler for Volume 9 theory:

Nah, I think Slider-tan is from yet another alternate universe/timeline outside of alpha and beta, and first came to "our" timeline some time (probably quite shortly) before the phone call in chapter 2. That's when the alpha timeline fractured off (carrying her with it) and the original timeline (beta) continued unchanged, with the Dark SOS/Kyon meeting and Yuki getting sick, etc. I don't think Slider-tan exists at all (anymore, yet) in beta.

As for how she got into the meeting, I think she just walked in while Kyon was getting chairs. Yuki would have gone Defcon 1 had Slider-tan just "slid" in with Haruhi or Kyon present. Whether or not Yuki can sense her slider nature, she's not going to miss that kind of "change in data".

Spoiler:

It is interesting that Kyon thinks there is something familiar about her, but he can't determine why. And it is always possible that Yuki already knows her if there is some kind of reset involved like in "Endless Eight."

[KeitaroNagato]

Originally Posted by Kinny Riddle

Now that you mention Batman, think of Tsuruya-san as someone like Lucius Fox, a very valuable ally who isn't in the know-how of Bruce Wayne's true identity as Batman, but yet can more or less accurately guess what's going on. Though Tsuruya-san chooses not to pry too much and just enjoys her time with the SOS Brigade whenever she has the chance to.

Please, I do apologized about the Bruce-Wayne and Batman concept, I still don't understand on that... sorry.

As far I understand Tsuruya-san is more a member of the SOS-Brigade as much as Kyon, but not directly. Her dwellings is far covertly then the rest of the members like Nagato, Mikuru and Koizumi.

I do apologized on the Batman concept, can you or someone please shed a light it, I'm in the shadow about it.

Thank you

Domo arigato

Once again sorry, if someone can explain on it. I've appreciate it alot

[ClockWorkAngel]

Hmm well regarding the existence of Slider-tan; she would most definitely exist in A and also in B. Before raging at me, let me explain;

A and B do not necessarily be limited to simply being different timeline, they could be dimension too. Something which I believe is highly possible. The theory of alternate dimensions would simply be that

“As long as there are infinite dimensions, there is infinite possibility.”

Meaning that anything that did not happen here, could easily happen in another timeline. For example we could have an alternate Haruhi who never became a god, and nothing of this could have ever happen. Or we could have an alternate reality where Kyon has the powers. Anything can technically happen.

“If there is infinite possibility, there are no constants.”

If we are to talk about alternate dimensions we cannot regard anything as a constant. There can be an alternate dimension where the earth is bright pink and has seas full of cotton candy. Or a dimension with no earth at all. Divergent timelines however have constants and those constants are simply the presence of things in this dimension. Timelines are alternate dimensions of a single dimension.

But now we have to decide on whether or not A and B are different dimensions or timelines. If Slider-Tan IS a slider, divergent timelines would be irrelevant as each timeline would definitely have a Slider-Tan prancing about. But we cannot say that they are not alternate timelines, even though Kyon does not mention seeing her, does not mean she wasn’t there; Kyon just didn’t know who she was.

Really it all depends on how you see it, remember “The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!” and that in the world of Haruhi, anything can happen.

[CrowKenobi]

Originally Posted by ClockWorkAngel

...If Slider-Tan IS a slider, divergent timelines would be irrelevant as each timeline would definitely have a Slider-Tan prancing about. ...

Good observation, however the trick is pinpointing which dimension's Slider-Tan is the slider and which one is "normal." (if she has a counterpart in the other dimension)

And the other big question: Is Slider-Tan a native of A or B, or did she come from somewhere else?

[kniteowl]

I have a curious questions about sliders. (This is all Speculation)

Assuming Haruhi is God and she created the Sliders.

Does that mean her powers go beyond her own universe to all the other infinite number of alternate dimensions, or does it only occur within a branch of dimensions where Haruhi became a God?

Does that also mean the sliders are only able to travel between dimensions where Haruhi became God and somehow Haruhi Cut them off from other dimensions.

OR

is it because since Haruhi never became God in those Dimensions therefore Slider don't technically exist therefore and they can't travel there.

Sounds like a similar Problem the Time Travelers are having...

Hm... That's all I got... I forgot something I was suppose to post... ah well when it comes back I'll post it lol.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by kniteowl

I have a curious questions about sliders. (This is all Speculation)

Assuming Haruhi is God and she created the Sliders.

Does that mean her powers go beyond her own universe to all the other infinite number of alternate dimensions, or does it only occur within a branch of dimensions where Haruhi became a God?

Does that also mean the sliders are only able to travel between dimensions where Haruhi became God and somehow Haruhi Cut them off from other dimensions.

OR

is it because since Haruhi never became God in those Dimensions therefore Slider don't technically exist therefore and they can't travel there.

Sounds like a similar Problem the Time Travelers are having...

Hm... That's all I got... I forgot something I was suppose to post... ah well when it comes back I'll post it lol.

My theory is that, (similar to the time travelers), the Haruhiverse is the only universe that the sliders are unable to travel into. As a result of the recent weakening of her powers, the barrier has "fluctuated", allowing travel inside. They sent Slider-tan in to investigate why the Haruhiverse was sealed until now.

That's just my theory, though.

[Reckoner]

Ok something has been bothering me about this whole Sasaki plot. She is supposedly the reserved and calm being, unlike Haruhi, who according to our counterpart Esper is very stable. So if she is this being, how come there are time travelers, espers, and aliens in existance. I don't think she would've wished for this... It just leads me to believe that this whole situation is created by Haruhi, or rather in speculation if you are a Kyonist, Kyon.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Ok something has been bothering me about this whole Sasaki plot. She is supposedly the reserved and calm being, unlike Haruhi, who according to our counterpart Esper is very stable. So if she is this being, how come there are time travelers, espers, and aliens in existance. I don't think she would've wished for this... It just leads me to believe that this whole situation is created by Haruhi, or rather in speculation if you are a Kyonist, Kyon.

What I love about this series in general is that it is, in fact, a very subtle and very well-disguised mindscrew.

It's entirely impossible to tell whether every single scenario is created by Haruhi or not... it all comes down to the problem of free-will and choice... do these aliens, time travelers, and espers do things because they want to, or because Haruhi wants them to?

[RR642]

Haruhists are gonna hang me for this but theres also the theory that Haruhi isn't 'God' at all, and neither are any of the other members of the cast (sorry Kyonists). Of course everyone's definition of a God differs, for example Haruhi may not be God in the sense that she didn't actually create the universe (or any 'alternate universes) but IS godlike in that she has seemingly limitless control.

It's hard to say really, and I know one of the more popular theories amongst fans is that Haruhi is (by their own definitions) God, but I think its important to point out that in the series the theory that Haruhi is God is mostly one shared by members of the Organization (and even then I believe their is still debate amongst some on that). The time travelers and aliens do seem to agree that Haruhi is the centre of all the events, but haven't really committed to the idea that she is God yet, at least not openly. It could just be that sliders have been here all along, but they simply haven't shown themselves until now, or perhaps Haurhi is indeed God and the Sliders have just recently been created or 'awakened' (who knows why though at this point in time and not at the same time as espers, aliens and time travelers), or maybe both theories are wrong and its just something else all together ;P

Spoiler for Vol. 9:

Tachibana Kyoko seems to think that Sasaki is the 'original God' so to speak. Maybe she's right after all, and all the problems only occured after Haruhi somehow had the powers transferred to her

IF only Koizumi were here, he'd be able to write a 10 page essay on this exploring all the theories for us :P

[kniteowl]

oh yea I finally remembered what I've forgotten, Can Yuki contact her Alternate Dimension Self through synchronization?

Like she did with her past/future self?

Well we don't know yet... maybe she attempted to in beta but was blocked by Kuyou... (amybe)

[Proto]

Remember that she removed that ability from herself as a self-restraint after the events of The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi

[kniteowl]

Originally Posted by ProtoMan

Remember that she removed that ability from herself as a self-restraint after the events of The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi

Yes I do But I'd Figure it was only between her future or past self... Did she also mean her alternate dimension self???