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Yan3242 · 2015-05-03, 05:30

i think they just try to save every budget they can for the big scene later, they still have quite a lot to cover afterall and caster moment isnt exactly the big selling point for this franchise.

you cant expect them to cover every detail, its 30 minutes show (including OP and ED), ufotable keep giving us high quality show every episode iam surprised their budget still hold until now

Kanon · 2015-05-03, 07:24

Archer vs Lancer was slightly disappointing because I expected it to be longer, but it was still infinitely better than the DEEN version. Gae Bolg vs Rho Aias was perfect. It seems like this adaptation has finally made people realize just how strong Lancer truly is. A shame this is his first and last true fight.

Rin kung-fuing Caster was a great moment. One of my favorite in UBW. Rin is seriously an amazing magus. Unlike her father, she adapted to the times.

ShadowSamurai365 · 2015-05-03, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Yan3242

i think they just try to save every budget they can for the big scene later, they still have quite a lot to cover afterall and caster moment isnt exactly the big selling point for this franchise.

you cant expect them to cover every detail, its 30 minutes show (including OP and ED), ufotable keep giving us high quality show every episode iam surprised their budget still hold until now

I'm also starting to think that the difference in mediums is also to blame. Something that seems slow and long in a written medium, might be fast and shot in a showing medium.

Nayrael · 2015-05-03, 09:42

Animated format is always faster than textual. A sentence you rad for 5 seconds will be just one of things shown in 1 second in animated format.

And that's just events. Monologues are usually unwelcome in Animated format while a several paragraphs description of how something looks, moves, etc. will be shown in one second on Animated format.

Jaden · 2015-05-03, 09:52

The fight between Archer and Lancer was good, but the episode lacked impact after that. The deaths of Kuzuki and Caster were rather peaceful. And Archer seems so chill even after dropping his pretense and dropping tons of sword on everybody. In the VN he seemed more wicked and hateful...

Nayrael · 2015-05-03, 10:23

True, But I don't think Archer should be hateful in this exact moment. He is good at containing his true emotions so I think it is more fitting that he remains calm here and only explodes when his emotions take a better of him (aka during ideological arguments with Shirou).

ImperialKnight · 2015-05-03, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Tormenk

Rin's final killer punch on Caster was the same technique that Kirei used to flatten Kiritsugu. Now I'm very worried about domestic violence for Shirou's case.

Well since Avalon is still in Shirou I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

watisit · 2015-05-03, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Moekou

Actually, this episode produced new theories since Archer directly referenced the Trojan War twice in two very different circumstances. I've seen people speculating he's either Ulysses or Ajax.

Twice? What was the one that wasn't the trojan horse? Rho Aius?

Rising Dragon · 2015-05-03, 11:35

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Originally Posted by watisit

Twice? What was the one that wasn't the trojan horse? Rho Aius?

Remarking on how Gae Bolg defeated Rho Aias, saying that it was able to punch through the shield that withstood the mighty throws of the Trojan War's hero.

Mad Pierrot · 2015-05-03, 12:34

I think I missed something because Archer healed himself in less than 10 minutes?

ReddyRedWolf · 2015-05-03, 12:42

Anybody else felt watching Rin perform martial arts you imagine her brawls with Luvia?

Rising Dragon · 2015-05-03, 12:50

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Originally Posted by amaterasu4

I think I missed something because Archer healed himself in less than 10 minutes?

Unless the attack nails their spiritual core or has some lasting effect (like F/z!Lancer's Gae Buidhe), wounds typically don't mean much to a Servant.

Mad Pierrot · 2015-05-03, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Unless the attack nails their spiritual core or has some lasting effect (like F/z!Lancer's Gae Buidhe), wounds typically don't mean much to a Servant.

Ah now I see. Thanks

Geburah · 2015-05-03, 15:21

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Unless the attack nails their spiritual core or has some lasting effect (like F/z!Lancer's Gae Buidhe), wounds typically don't mean much to a Servant.

Yes and no: Wounds do weaken a servant and have a prana cost to heal. Probably it takes a few mins to heal since we dont see servants regening in combat(even Dark Saber takes a while to heal grave wounds). Not a serious issue with a decent master but can be a problem if masterless or with a suckmaster (aka Shirou)

The Green One · 2015-05-03, 20:21

For as long as Caster was still alive, Archer still had a power source, so healing himself shouldn't of been too much trouble after Lancer left especially since Archer had no reason to care how much prana he was leeching off Caster.

Rising Dragon · 2015-05-04, 00:40

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Originally Posted by zztop

Design-wise, I've actually never been able to take Lancer's blue-tights costume seriously. He looks like some kind of silly superhero.
Now if his clothes were more like this, then...

Spoiler for Fate Prototype Lancer:

To be fair, it's not like Type-Moon could get away with putting Lancer in what that blue bodysuit's actually meant to represent.

Well, they could, I suppose. They'd have to get very creative with the camera angles though...

Krudelu · 2015-05-04, 03:04

My thoughts about the episode:

To be honest, I didn't expect for that Gae Bolg throw to have that destructive range. I still think its still big but not as big as depicted in the anime (prolly my imagination sucks when I was reading the VN). Also regarding the length on the Archer vs Lancer fight, I didnt expected to be long so I guess I'm alright with it I think (at least for me, it didn't feel long as well when I was reading the VN).

Geburah · 2015-05-04, 06:05

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Originally Posted by The Green One

For as long as Caster was still alive, Archer still had a power source, so healing himself shouldn't of been too much trouble after Lancer left especially since Archer had no reason to care how much prana he was leeching off Caster.

Archer used most of his prana reserves on that fight and kills Caster shortly afterwards so its a safe asumption he didnt have enough time to recover fully

gn_X00 · 2015-05-04, 09:56

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Originally Posted by Geburah

Archer used most of his prana reserves on that fight and kills Caster shortly afterwards so its a safe asumption he didnt have enough time to recover fully

can't he just get some mana in between ending the fight with lancer and going inside to kill Caster?

Geburah · 2015-05-04, 10:31

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Originally Posted by gn_X00

can't he just get some mana in between ending the fight with lancer and going inside to kill Caster?

He can get some but between Caster being stingy on giving prana to others moreso when fighting herself and the short time to recover id say that at most Archer is at 50-75% power which is not a real problem forcing Caster to defend Kuzuki ala Gil did to Berserker and later facing an exhausted Shirou and a Saber that has as much prana left as a lighter

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Archer vs Lancer was slightly disappointing because I expected it to be longer, but it was still infinitely better than the DEEN version. Gae Bolg vs Rho Aias was perfect. It seems like this adaptation has finally made people realize just how strong Lancer truly is. A shame this is his first and last true fight. Rin kung-fuing Caster was a great moment. One of my favorite in UBW. Rin is seriously an amazing magus. Unlike her father, she adapted to the times. __________________

2015-05-03, 09:42	Link #84
Nayrael The Faceless One Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Varaždin, Croatia Age: 33	Animated format is always faster than textual. A sentence you rad for 5 seconds will be just one of things shown in 1 second in animated format. And that's just events. Monologues are usually unwelcome in Animated format while a several paragraphs description of how something looks, moves, etc. will be shown in one second on Animated format. __________________

2015-05-03, 09:52	Link #85
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	The fight between Archer and Lancer was good, but the episode lacked impact after that. The deaths of Kuzuki and Caster were rather peaceful. And Archer seems so chill even after dropping his pretense and dropping tons of sword on everybody. In the VN he seemed more wicked and hateful... __________________

2015-05-03, 10:23	Link #86
Nayrael The Faceless One Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Varaždin, Croatia Age: 33	True, But I don't think Archer should be hateful in this exact moment. He is good at containing his true emotions so I think it is more fitting that he remains calm here and only explodes when his emotions take a better of him (aka during ideological arguments with Shirou). __________________

2015-05-03, 05:30	Link #81
Yan3242 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014	i think they just try to save every budget they can for the big scene later, they still have quite a lot to cover afterall and caster moment isnt exactly the big selling point for this franchise. you cant expect them to cover every detail, its 30 minutes show (including OP and ED), ufotable keep giving us high quality show every episode iam surprised their budget still hold until now

2015-05-03, 12:34	Link #90
Mad Pierrot Corrupted fool Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: I'm everywhere Age: 33	I think I missed something because Archer healed himself in less than 10 minutes? __________________

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ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Anybody else felt watching Rin perform martial arts you imagine her brawls with Luvia?

2015-05-03, 20:21	Link #95
The Green One Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	For as long as Caster was still alive, Archer still had a power source, so healing himself shouldn't of been too much trouble after Lancer left especially since Archer had no reason to care how much prana he was leeching off Caster.

2015-05-04, 03:04	Link #97
Krudelu ??? Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: ???	My thoughts about the episode: To be honest, I didn't expect for that Gae Bolg throw to have that destructive range. I still think its still big but not as big as depicted in the anime (prolly my imagination sucks when I was reading the VN). Also regarding the length on the Archer vs Lancer fight, I didnt expected to be long so I guess I'm alright with it I think (at least for me, it didn't feel long as well when I was reading the VN).