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Old 2008-04-13, 18:14   Link #23461
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Well I acutally have four of them and a magical hacker in my fic… they don't get much spotlight until the third chapter though, working name: SNAFU.
Things are a mess as usual, then?

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Maybe they’re anti-gravity/rocket propelled mines that like shot out of the ground and attack when mages fly by!
Could be. I'll leave the cleanup to you then.

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Yup though she dosen't seem as clingy as she used to be since she seemed to work and hang around Nanoha more then Hayate by Strikers.
A development I do not mind at all.

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My solution to these sorts of things has always been to take a page from another play book: EXTERMINATE. Don't try and control them, don't try and trick them, sure as hell don't try and reason with them just kill it, with fire preferably.
Yet another reason I like Kane. Invite the Scrin, see if their friendly and learn from them. If not, we already spend several years developing weapons to kill them. Fire away.

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Just opening fire is still generally frowned upon by law enforcement agency's even with technically non-lethal weapons. Use of force is a complex issue, but most departments have a "Continuum of force" starting with verbal warnings and going to lethal force and normally you're supposed to exhausts each option before escalating further.

A verbal warning is basiclly always the first response though, and acutally you basiclly have to give at least one warning as if you don't tell them what to do and just attack they can argue they weren't resiting since they hadn't been given an order to desist and that it was assualt. The exception is if they attack you in which case hostile intent and will to resist is assumed and you can fight back, even then though many officers even if the act is aggressive will still give some chance to submit. (See any number of videos with cops yelling "drop the gun" basiclly once he pulled that they could probably shot him if he even vaugely pointed it at them and be right, but they'll tend to hold fire unless it really looks like he's going to use it.)

A good example is a video I saw (but can't find on the web) where two guys from a truck fight with an officer first they talk trash after the officer tells them to lay down on the ground, then the attack and scuffle but the officer breaks away and draws a baton and orders them to get on the ground again. They back off but keep talking trash and then one of them gets a shovel from the truck and starts to advance toward him and only then dose he acutally draw his gun on them. (showing there level of intelligence they still give in, but they do back off and not try to attack anymore and he basically holds them at gun point until more officers arrive.)

Basically force is NEVER the first option at least in a law enforcement setting and a verbal warning is pretty much mandated. That said use of force is a bit of a, sometimes contradictory, legal minefield (though it tends to favor the cops in all but the most previous abuses). Even so someone that makes a habit of attacking first and asking questions or trying to reason later is going to come under scrutiny as a potential legal liability.
You don't need to tell me. Over here a cop is liable to be prosecuted for murder if he shoots and kills someone. Of course they won't call it murder, but the basics behind it remain the same. If the cop didn't have a really good reason for shooting (not just 'he wouldn't put down the gun' but stuff like 'he would have killed X') then chances are he's losing his job and a lot of money.

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Hmmm there’s an idea, but no acutally it’s something completely different it’s more like having an good excuse to port an OC from another universe of mine. It’s sort of a plot point though so I don’t really want to talk about it yet it happens in chapter three of the fic. Plus such a thing would throw a huge wrench in things for Aaron’s fic… then again it still might anyway, but the wrench will be smaller.
Now I'm curious, what exactly did you have in mind?

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Well that was kind of my point I was questioning why he seemed to think that messing with the power level would somehow make it possible or okay when that was never the issue to start with.
Agreed.

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Well he never said he knew her, but then again she knew him and it's not like on seeing someone you happen to know in passing your first response is. "Ah it's you, who I know somewhat form having worked in the same officer as you some years before and posses a passing knowledge as to skills!"

I personally doubt there are any trainers around myself even the people from the church seem to largely use the Neo-Style, but then again what exactly makes something "ancient Belkan" is nebulous at best.
A small review actually brings up more defense to your case. Zest recognised Signum's stance and called her 'a true Belkan Knight' and said she was 'probably saved somewhere like Agito' suggesting heavilly that the style Signum practices is no longer in use.

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No wonder Keroko can't plan or think ahead, what with you writing for her.
Where do you think she gets it from?

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KK won't become an issue until later in Chapter four at the earliest though so probably months away...
Oh, I'm a patient guy.

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I'd have gone more with, dosen't really compute at all but that's just me.
Just the Keroko being protective part.... but yeah, you're right.

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Yeah "ranged specialist" Nanoha that went toe to toe with an AAA rank Belkan right after she upgraded her device... of course this merely goes back to what I've often said. Mainly that range tends to be inherently superior to close combat since a gun works just as well at five feet as fifty, a sword... not so much. Basiclly if you have a sturdy defense of high speed you don't really NEED close combat skills.
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Or weapons for that matter...
Though from a realistic point of view you are absolutely right, the romantic bone within me will defend melee-based weaponry in Nanohaverse to the bitter end. :3
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Old 2008-04-13, 18:27   Link #23462
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Yeah "ranged specialist" Nanoha that went toe to toe with an AAA rank Belkan right after she upgraded her device... of course this merely goes back to what I've often said. Mainly that range tends to be inherently superior to close combat since a gun works just as well at five feet as fifty, a sword... not so much. Basiclly if you have a sturdy defense of high speed you don't really NEED close combat skills.
Good point.

I'm thinking I might have to turn Rico into a ranged specialist with merely passable melee skills; I've got a ton of cool ideas for Nova's shooting spells, but the control required for some of these spells would demand a ranged specialist and a unison device; for instance, Rico's answer to Starlight Breaker is a mass-fire shooting spell, a Macross Magic Missile Massacre. Picture Reinforce's Photon Lancer Genocide Shift coupled with homing capabilities provided by the "lock-on" spell I used with Rena. Thoughts?
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Old 2008-04-13, 18:59   Link #23463
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And technically, conceptually, KH is Nanohaverse, witho4ut the lame blockades between worlds.
*covers ears* No it isn't, it never is, it never will be!
'Course it isn't KH...

<.<

>.>

...it's Reservoir Chronicle Tsubasa!

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Old 2008-04-13, 19:17   Link #23464
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Things are a mess as usual, then?
More or less...

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Could be. I'll leave the cleanup to you then.
Sappers: We'll do a right smack job on that, sir!

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A development I do not mind at all.
Me neither.

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Yet another reason I like Kane. Invite the Scrin, see if their friendly and learn from them. If not, we already spend several years developing weapons to kill them. Fire away.
Always have a plan B...

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You don't need to tell me. Over here a cop is liable to be prosecuted for murder if he shoots and kills someone. Of course they won't call it murder, but the basics behind it remain the same. If the cop didn't have a really good reason for shooting (not just 'he wouldn't put down the gun' but stuff like 'he would have killed X') then chances are he's losing his job and a lot of money.
Well here at least if the guy has and brandishes a gun you won't get much flak if you end up shooting him.

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Now I'm curious, what exactly did you have in mind?
Already told you spoilers.

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A small review actually brings up more defense to your case. Zest recognised Signum's stance and called her 'a true Belkan Knight' and said she was 'probably saved somewhere like Agito' suggesting heavilly that the style Signum practices is no longer in use.
*leans back in his chair and smirks smugly*

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Where do you think she gets it from?
Well I thought maybe she just got dropped on her head allot as a child or something, would explain the mood swings too.

Though sometimes I think I can get into excess planning myself I’m always thinking about “What if…” and running through what I’d do in a whole mess of scenarios. Then though I’ll sometimes spend so much time pondering what to do I miss my chance. On the plus side this constant thinking ahead often means I’m reading with snide biting quips when the opportunity present itself.

This can sometimes come through in my writing I think where I can sometimes go so in-depth describing the how’s and whys of my combat that it starts to sound like I’m lecturing on tactics instead of writing a battle scene. Sometimes I’ve even been tempted to include scenes that have no point BUT to give a character and excuse to babble on about military tactics. It takes allot of effort to control those impulses. Sometimes I’ll find myself writing thousand plus word essays about the hows and why of combat and tactics… just for fun. Doing that can also help me want to ramble less about in the story itself.

For instance... this is what I did this afternoon see that entire section on "Tactics"? Yeah I typed all of that in like an hour or two.

This all could be part of why I like Tesla...

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We'll see which is more powerful your patience or my laziness.

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Though from a realistic point of view you are absolutely right, the romantic bone within me will defend melee-based weaponry in Nanohaverse to the bitter end. :3
Well it's not like the world is full of totally rational people and so as long as melee is even slightly viable (and it is) and magic remains a fairly individual choice (it probably will) you'll have some guys using it, just becasue. Just like some guys still hunt with muskets or bows despite the laundry list of disadvantages compared to a high caliber scoped semi-automatic rifle.
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Old 2008-04-13, 19:26   Link #23465
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Well it's not like the world is full of totally rational people and so as long as melee is even slightly viable (and it is) and magic remains a fairly individual choice (it probably will) you'll have some guys using it, just becasue. Just like some guys still hunt with muskets or bows despite the laundry list of disadvantages compared to a high caliber scoped semi-automatic rifle.
The difference being that you can't deflect bullets with muskets and bows. Melee devices vs ranged attacks? That's another story entirely.
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Old 2008-04-13, 19:29   Link #23466
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Rebuilt of Uomo



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...eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh?!

Don't get me wrong; I'm not surprised by the Trap; I'm surprised that Uomo looks like Fate... >.>

And the mention of Brotherhood of NOD... I've always used Imperial Belka Army, but we already have thiny-disguised GDI; this works just fine!

Everything else works fine, now to figure out how things end for StrikerS don't we?

Last surprise is how there was no mention of LEGION here... Gosh am I guessing another thing wrong...?

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But why would Skane want them here? I can understand Kane and the Scrin, as their technollogy is an invaluable source, but the Spawn don't have this. What makes Skane atracted to the Spawn?
This is mostly IRC spoilers, but I can say the Spawn have technology.

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I wouldn't mind seeing that for Subaru's Overdrive.

Just don't make her go Kamina. Subaru is Subaru.
Definitely. Only ting is, nice picture, no ideas. And the Plaguelands idea is being reconstructed... :s

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Why not make this a Batallion during the war? Lot less canon-confliction that way.
Okay, I was just paraphrasing there

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Somewhat. At least on Kyou's side. Nanoha isn't as meek as Ryou, but Keroko is fiercely protective of Nanoha.


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You know... this chapter made me realize just how evem more alike Keroko and Nanoha are at the moment. The only difference is that where Gravemind messes with Nanoha using words, Neltharion's essence messes with Keroko's raw emotions.

So alike. >_<
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Kha, your "intervention" was line-spamming. :3

Especially since we had *massive static burst through which the words "Hayate" and "Signum" can be heard* going on at the time...

I must ask you, though...why do you insist in genderbending everyone?!?!?!?!?

*head asplodes*
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ReBuild of Katrina? Nah..


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Backstory explaining Katrina's link to Jail, as well as Quint and the Alphinos.

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A placeholder for the revised version of the original profile. I got tired of referring to three separate posts for one profile and decided to make changes to the old one while I was at it.

A list of the changes.
  • - comestic changes to history
  • - reorganization of each section.
  • - rank fixed at S+
  • - Edited spells and added in some new ones.
  • - junking of conflicting spells such as AMF
Awesome gimongous Bluecheesium post! Love it.

And I think I didn't say this before, but R2 recently undid my seal...

CC!!!
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'Course it isn't KH...

<.<

>.>

...it's Reservoir Chronicle Tsubasa!

*Runs*

*...then adds Yuuko to "characters in need of porting" list*
*Creator-san and Saint X grin evilly.*

Yuuko: (whispering to Mokona) They're at it again... -_-
Mokona: (Whispering back) They're worse than Moro and Maro... -_-



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Returning from my weekend hiatus and I found some interesting posts. I was really, TERRIBLY, shocked to see Uomo because honestly (and to tell you the truth) I never saw or noticed her.. I mean, his arrival in Outer Cadia. Awesome trap is really awesome, though why Fate's face?

As expected from Lowe, Belkarangers have rather intriguing backstory to start with.

And... did I smell Kyou/Ryou-esque hot yuri twincest action intimate sisterly love?

*runs from Tomoya*
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Old 2008-04-13, 21:53   Link #23468
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Good point.

I'm thinking I might have to turn Rico into a ranged specialist with merely passable melee skills; I've got a ton of cool ideas for Nova's shooting spells, but the control required for some of these spells would demand a ranged specialist and a unison device; for instance, Rico's answer to Starlight Breaker is a mass-fire shooting spell, a Macross Magic Missile Massacre. Picture Reinforce's Photon Lancer Genocide Shift coupled with homing capabilities provided by the "lock-on" spell I used with Rena. Thoughts?
With the number of projectiles and homing aspects of the spell you put out, no.

Reinforce is the Unison Device and h4xx limit in canon. Equating or relating any sort of power or combat abilities to her capability is a bad idea straight away. Execution Shift with Accel shooter's control might be slightly better off.

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The difference being that you can't deflect bullets with muskets and bows. Melee devices vs ranged attacks? That's another story entirely.
And no sane person with the ability to evade is going to stand there and get shot at. Especially in the nanoverse.


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Well glad that Katrina was received favorably but I'll hang her out to dry longer while I'm away for the next few days. Currently I'm looking at profile-fic look into her past and/or a future work with the introduction of her and the Prize. Characters figuring prominently to show up right now are the Aces, minus Hayate. I have no idea creating a role for her or the Wolkies to play and feel it's better her excluding her altogether rather than semi-shafting her later on. I have the general idea planned out but realized there are lots to consider in crafting a consistent and good story, courtesy of reading with Alpha lately.

One last question before I go for planning purposes: anyone has suggestions of the Aces development in the TSAB after 2-4 years from end of StrikerS?
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Old 2008-04-13, 22:02   Link #23469
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Execution Shift with Accel shooter's control might be slightly better off.
The C-kid's worthless maneuver that even Zafira could block? Why don't you castrate the guy while you're at it?

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Nanoha temporarily puts aside her role as a flight instructor (at least partially) to raise Vivio. Fate? Who knows.
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The C-kid's worthless maneuver that even Zafira could block? Why don't you castrate the guy while you're at it?
Recheck your spells. Photon Lancer: Execution Shift was one of AAA-ranked Fate's spells.

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In Kerokanon/Alpha Canon, Fate's been running around saving the world. Nanoha was an instructor on Mid-Childa until an assignment to Ariadne in MC 077.

Shit hit the fan soon after.
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Recheck your spells. Photon Lancer: Execution Shift was one of AAA-ranked Fate's spells.
....oh. My bad, I'm thinking of Stinger Blade: Execution Shift. Yeah, that's much more reasonable. I maintain the homing spells, however, on the grounds that spells/programs should be able to be programmed to follow one or more predesignated targets. Heck, they should be able to follow some basic roboteching programming at the same time.
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...God not another argument on how these things home -_-

Also, I would like to note that Stinger Blade: Execution Shift was casted by Chrono, who was a AAA+ mage. Zafira's around AAA as well, ya know - and it appears that he's intended to be strong on defence.
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Also, I would like to note that Stinger Blade: Execution Shift was casted by Chrono, who was a AAA+ mage. Zafira's around AAA as well, ya know - and it appears that he's intended to be strong on defence.
By that reasoning, Arf, who was paired against Zafira and fought him on what seemed like equal ground, is also AAA-ranked. Excuse me for being a bit skeptical. And Chrono does not impress me at all, no matter what season he's in.
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By that reasoning, Arf, who was paired against Zafira and fought him on what seemed like equal ground, is also AAA-ranked. Excuse me for being a bit skeptical. And Chrono does not impress me at all, no matter what season he's in.
That sounds logical. Fate is a AAA or S ranked mage in the first and second seasons.

Zafiria is a the "Shielding Beast" so its no wonder his speciality is in defensive magic - hence why even Chrono with his excellent mana control couldn't do much to him. And keep in mind Chrono is the only person known in canon to perfectly execute Frozen Coffin.
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And keep in mind Chrono is the only person known in canon to perfectly execute Frozen Coffin.
And Fate's the only person known in canon to perfectly execute Jet Zamber. What's your point?
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Nice another Trap... but why the heck does he looks so female and looks so much Fate?
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I'm not well-known for my self restraint, so I have an excuse.

...well shit, I guess that means I need to insert a few generations between Hikaru and Rico then, don't I? In that case the age-prolonging thing (which I thought was realistic enough, this is magic we're talking about...) becomes superfluous.


Good point, but as a Belkan weapon who's already done a bit of traveling in her history, Nova should have a few sets of coordinates stashed away in her memory anyways. I just need to adjust Rico's motivations for his training a bit.

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There is a small problem.... Dimensional transfer spells are not usually part of the Belka user's spell list.
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Don't forget this is a magical girl show. In Nanoverse, the guys < girls all the time. Besides, the focus is on nanoha and fate, so it's no wonder Chrono doesn't really seem that badass or gets time to shine.
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Not typically. Ergo, there may be less-than-typical circumstances that would require a unison device to figure out a teleportation spell, perhaps even inventing it herself.

As a matter of fact, I think I've just figured out what took so long for Nova to show up on Arcadia. Thanks for the tip, tshouryuu.
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Not typically. Ergo, there may be less-than-typical circumstances that would require a unison device to figure out a teleportation spell, perhaps even inventing it herself.

As a matter of fact, I think I've just figured out what took so long for Nova to show up on Arcadia. Thanks for the tip, tshouryuu.
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That's what's great about being a hybrid mage; you don't have to outdo someone else's strength, just target their weakness. Tear snipers apart in melee, and blast tanks from a distance. That's how Rico goes from AA+ to S+ with his unison; he knows enough about fighting to target his enemy's weaknesses, making him as great a threat as someone with a good deal more power than he has.
The problem is this. The enemy also knows his weakness. Thus, he can also choose to DENY you the advantage, thus forcing you to fight his strength with your uh, non-strength.

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I'm thinking I might have to turn Rico into a ranged specialist with merely passable melee skills; I've got a ton of cool ideas for Nova's shooting spells, but the control required for some of these spells would demand a ranged specialist and a unison device; for instance, Rico's answer to Starlight Breaker is a mass-fire shooting spell, a Macross Magic Missile Massacre. Picture Reinforce's Photon Lancer Genocide Shift coupled with homing capabilities provided by the "lock-on" spell I used with Rena. Thoughts?
Oh, great. So now, you just assume the extra complexity of adding homing heads to >100 rounds is zero? The "magic missile massacre" had better take two minutes or so to charge while you painstakingly program in guidance heads.

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The difference being that you can't deflect bullets with muskets and bows. Melee devices vs ranged attacks? That's another story entirely.
It makes it better but you still lose. The guy with range tends to have the initiative. Given similar overall abilities, he can keep distance and attrit you to nothing.

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Recheck your spells. Photon Lancer: Execution Shift was one of AAA-ranked Fate's spells.
That's Photon Lancer: Phalanx Shift. Execution Shift is for Stinger Blades.

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....oh. My bad, I'm thinking of Stinger Blade: Execution Shift. Yeah, that's much more reasonable. I maintain the homing spells, however, on the grounds that spells/programs should be able to be programmed to follow one or more predesignated targets. Heck, they should be able to follow some basic roboteching programming at the same time.
Yes, certainly. But you'll need many extra lines to do so. and you'll need to input them for each round if you want independent homing.

Oh, and to fair to Chrono, he does beat Fate most of the time in exercises according to the manga. Of course, the fight in the manga also implies that period is coming to an end.
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