2013-05-20, 02:44 | Link #221 | |
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Anyway, I think it's normal for sibling to know about other's ugly side. See how polite Kirino is with her parents? How different it is when she deals with Kyousuke? That's what I meant : both of her deredere and enthusiastic is her true self, but each one is to deal with different situation. If she acted that bitches everywhere with everyone, do you honestly think that people could stand her? |
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If Kirino started out as completely deredere, I for one would no longer be able to watch this show anymore(I'd be in the hospital getting multiple blood transfusions). I think we all act like bitches to people we dislike, hate or have some sort of resentment towards. It's portrayed that she "hates" Kyousuke so this behavior is somewhat understandable.
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2013-05-20, 11:53 | Link #225 |
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Even though i have nothing against tsundere in general, for some reason i just can't stand Kirino's attitude towards her brother. Being a headstrong girl who can't be honest with her feelings is one thing, but being dependant and yet still rude, insulting, and ill-treating someone who genuinely treats her very well is simply unacceptable. Can't say thanks? Fine. Can't give him good deed in return? That's also fine. But deliberately putting him on the edge all the time? That's what's not fine.
It's for this reason i completely skipped eps 3-5 and only watched the recent eps 6 when all the favor finally shifted to Kuroneko Last edited by backbone; 2013-05-21 at 00:52. |
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True that. I only gave the general examples that most people could relate to. Kirino doesn't really apply to the general examples but I do believe that she had some resentment towards his "flirting", ignoring her, and not caring about her before. I dunno much about volume 11 hence the past tense in the previous sentence.
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(Which is what I was going to say to backbone; if you do care at all to understand what Kirino is thinking, it may be useful to work your way through the recent episodes even if Kirino's attitude on display annoys you. I think understanding this is pretty important to understanding the work on the whole.)
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So I recently started watching this anime at the recommendation of a friend and I'm currently on episode 7 of season 1. Much like backbone, I strongly dislike Kirino's attitude towards Kyousuke. She demands so much from him, and while she does show occasional (surprisingly) gratitude for his deeds, I think her attitude towards him in general is incredibly nasty and it annoys the hell out of me.
I honestly don't care how disappointed or sad she is that Kyousuke didn't spend time with her or gave her any attention younger when he played with boys his own age (that's what I assume happened in the past during their argument about Ayase; Oh and about Ayase. I despise her. Her prejudice and believing anything the media says is nauseating. Also, she's creepy as hell. It looked like she was going to kill Kirino in episode 5.), her treating Kyousuke the way she does just rubs me the wrong way, especially when taking all the things he does for her into consideration. Then again, I'm rather new to this anime so I don't really know a lot about the backstory so maybe I'm jumping the gun here. I would like to know more about her mindset and why she acts the way she does towards him though, so I'm going to keep watching. *tried to avoid reading posts above* |
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for "getting it." I actually like tsunderes. I even like Ayase somehow! But I hate Kirino with every fiber of my being. It's not that she's rough around the edges, it's that she really does not respect others. I think she really looks down on people. Her behavior crosses the line regularly (I have many examples). She throws Kyousuke into fits of depression regularly. Kirino is awful not only to Kyousuke, but to Kuroneko and Manami (who are angels by the way). I get so mad when I see Kuroneko suffer from of Kirino's condescending behavior. |
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If you want some clarifications for some of the things happening in the anime, you might want to check out the Light Novel section. However, fear for there are Kirino fans everywhere these days since the last Light Novel Volume came out. |
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I, for one, have always liked Kirino from the very first episode. When I watched S1(I was an anime-only viewer back then) every single episode with Kirino was entertaining. I also started questioning why does she hate him so much(the abuse of violence),why did they ignore each other,there must be some kind of reason. As the series progressed she slowly showed her gentle side and also thanked her brother for what he did for her(she thanked him twice: Ep3 and Ep11 of S1 who claim she didnt give her brother gratitude). When she left for America, I actually thought of skipping the episodes and see for myself will she return or not. Episodes were boring and dull without her. Luckily, he brought her back.(Btw,for some of you who state Kirino is awful towards Kuroneko, I think by now you should know that they are best friends since they know how they feel,but towards Manami its clear why she hates her)
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2013-06-30, 10:49 | Link #235 | |
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I've been a big Kirino fan since the beginning, but I can understand why other people would dislike Kirino in the beginning of the story. Kirino is a tsundere, but she was like 80% tsun and only 20% dere in the beginning of the story. I didn't mind this, but I understand that this can be a big turnoff for people who don't like too much 'tsun behaviour'.
Especially the way Kirino treated Kyousuke seems to have made a lot of people hate her. I can understand that people felt like that before, since we didn't know why she acted like that, but I don't like it when people just gloss over her character development like nothing. Kirino's grown a lot throughout the series and now we even know why she started treating him like that. I think some of Kirino's 'haters' refuse to see this and continue to see her the way as she was presented in the beginning. Btw, I'm not saying that everything she did was justified. Even as a big Kirino fan I admit that she did go overboard at times. As for why Kirino continued to be unreasonable with Kyousuke (or continued to 'play hard to get' as I see it) even after he helped her. I think that she did it because she felt that he had to earn back her respect bit by bit. In her eyes Kyousuke had 'betrayed' her back then and because of this she had trouble believing in him again, so she wouldn't let her guard down too easily. She didn't want to be hurt again. On top of that, there were her 'tsundere qualities'. She has trouble voicing her real feelings and usually ends up doing/saying the complete opposite when she's embarrassed. Everyone around her already seems to understand this by now though (Kyousuke actually seems to be able to translate Kirino's tsundere language for the most part in the final novels). Quote:
In Kyousuke's case it was mostly disappointment, anger and frustration. She looked down on him in the beginning of the series. Kirino was clearly disappointed with her brother, because he had given up trying. The girl had always looked up to her big brother. She loved how he was good in everything he did, how he took matters in his own hands and how he wanted to help other people all the time. She wanted him to approve of her. Most importantly, she didn't want him to leave her behind. Since their 'levels' were so far apart in her eyes and because she feared that the distance between them would become even bigger, she decided to give it her all to catch up to him. No, she even wanted to surpass him and make him feel the same as her. Thus, she decided to focus on studying and track and field. But after she decided to catch up to him, her brother suddenly changed into a lazy bum who gives up before even trying. She couldn't understand this and felt frustrated with him. In order to show her frustration she still decided to go all-out. She wanted to make him feel exactly what she had felt. Because she kept on trying and trying, she eventually became better than him in every single way and wanted to rub this into his face. She hated the way he was acting now and wanted the old Kyousuke back. That's why she looked down on him. For a long time she hadn't even looked at the 'plain Kyousuke' as her real brother. It was only a few years later (the start of the story) that she found out that her brother really was just an avarage person like her. That was the first step to opening up to him. Only when she noticed that he started to return to his old proactive self, while knowing that he was just an avarage guy, did she really accept the new Kyousuke as her brother. In Manami's case, it's closer to hate. Kirino really blames Manami for changing Kyousuke. She really sees Manami as the 'final boss' of this game called life. And then there's a bit of jealousy. I don't even know why you brought up Kuroneko, since Kirino and Kuroneko both badmouth each other all the time. It's just their way of dealing with each other. They both have a lot of pride and don't intend to hide this. Also, you do understand that both Kirino and Kuroneko have trouble being honest with each other? Even when they act like this, they understand each other better than anyone else.
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Glad to see I got some responses C: This is gonna be long. I'll clarify that my opinions come from the LN in general, there might be differences.
1) My feelings about Kirino- isn't vengefulness a BAD character trait?!! I dunno. At this point we know Kirino wasn't proving her superiority to Kyou, so what's the point of her antics? She's just mad and she's taking it out on Kyou? I have to believe that that's cruel of her. That's the definition of cruelty. It especially bothers me how Kirino is mean to Kyou because as far as I can tell he is a little depressive, though he gets better throughout the story (if you disagree I can explain). I just feel so bad for the guy. Because I feel bad for Kyou and identify with him, I can't stand how Kirino constantly calls him ugly and disgusting, I can't stand when she scorns Kyousuke for totally innocent misunderstandings, and I don't like how she blames him for things that are her fault, which is more prominent in the LN. I don't think this is just tsundere/sister behavior (I like tsunderes, btw). Tsunderes just call you "baka." and won't say "arigato," and they act a little clumsy about it usually, and then warm up to you. Sisters bicker, but respect. Kirino, on the other hand, breaks Kyou down psychologically, laughs in his face, and blames him for everything, even though it's usually her fault. There's a difference imo. Tsunderes don't want to see you suffer. Kirino does. Oh yeah, she also hits him a lot,and for real, not in the comical way Ayase hits him. Physical abuse. 2) As for looking down on people- the LN says often that Kirino is conceited and looks down on people. This is a matter of fact, not opinion. But you all sort of agreed about this, though. A weird manifestation of this is how she constantly makes Kyousuke kneel to her like when she asks for things. WTH? I get the impression that the author designed Kirino to be as infuriating as possible in the beginning in order to make Kyousuke as heroic as possible (which worked imo). I think the author also wanted to have the siscon theme and salvage Kirino's character in the end using her backstory, but it was too late for me to learn to like her. Last edited by ryuujinjaaka; 2013-07-02 at 17:09. |
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i'm not so sure where you got this from the LN. the LN is actually more detailed than the anime. and so kirino's background is more thoroughly explained in the former. i don't how would could conclude kiri as vengeful when the LN explains otherwise...
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Others have been saying that Kirino is trying to make Kyousuke feel what she felt when he picked on her, called her slow, etc. That's why I said vengeful. I'm just responding to that. I should have clarified.
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If you called that vengeful, then I strongly objected. A vengeful person in this case will actively trying to sabotage Kyousuke's effort, not trying to surpass them. In Kirino's case, I'd call it's a mix between her (unknowingly) wish to be like him and a wish for a small payback.
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