2013-02-08, 12:56 | Link #22 |
Japanese Culture Fan
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Planet Earth
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I'm quite fond of the current system because it gives moderation a "human" aspect. Rather than an anonymous "dark hand of justice" e.g. Batman, I see most of the mods as people with their own lives and interests, just like normal members. Relentlessflame in particular is a very good poster who makes thoughtful and interesting insights in numerous threads. I simply feel more comfortable when I've seen people in charge integrating with and contributing to the rest of the community. It gives me a reason to respect them.
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2013-02-08, 13:37 | Link #23 | ||
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2013-02-08, 14:19 | Link #24 |
AniMexican!
Join Date: Dec 2005
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I signed up to this forum using my real name and I have no intention whatsoever to suddenly hide under a different account. I also fail to see any real benefit to this, even if one were to agree with it.
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2013-02-08, 16:55 | Link #26 | ||
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Let My Moderators Go Free!!!
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Anecdote: I've been approached several times over the years on this forum and others by various members who recognize my "voice". I even had someone contact me asking if I participated in the old MST3K usenet group (which I did). Our voices are not so easily disguised nor should they be. Quote:
Why do you care? I certainly do not (and I imagine most of my fellow moderators would agree), and while I appreciate the enthusiasm (and concern?), it is unneeded. I still have lively discussions in whichever thread or sub-forum I am invested in, so why should I fear keeping my name or hiding behind another? Now I am going to go now and patiently wait for the results for the 2013 Animesuki Awards... Last edited by james0246; 2013-02-09 at 15:16. |
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2013-02-08, 19:02 | Link #27 |
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Not really into the idea myself. There's no need to
segregate matters to that degree especially since mods are supposed to represent the boards to a certain degree, However, If you wanted to do that, I would say to just have one generic moderator account
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2013-02-08, 19:54 | Link #28 | |
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I turned down the opportunity to moderate when NoSanninWa left the building. (He still hangs around the back door from time to time I've noticed recently.) At the time I wasn't sure how much longer I would be around here given my age and trends in anime. Even though I'm still here, I still prefer to be a gadfly who occasionally tries to keep unruly members in line. Moderation is a tough job, and I for one welcome our moderating overlords. As for Ledgem's original argument, I don't see much evidence that this is a problem at all. The mods who post in threads I frequent don't seem any less likely to contribute or engage in argument than regular members, and I don't see many regular members cowering before the moderators' awesomeness. I sometimes wondered if I was a bit intimidating when I had all those dots below my avatar, but I suspect my age is more intimidating to young newbies than anything else.
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2013-02-08, 20:10 | Link #29 | |
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Just a situation that I spent ~5 minutes dreaming up to bail at least a little water from this proposal. Don't think I actually want it that way or just hate the mods here so much. I said in that same post that I think all of the mods here are nice and senible and respected, so now I must wonder why you dream this up of me? No I have not had any bad run ins with moderators due to them sneaking around, and I'd like it to stay that way by Ledgem's idea not being taken up. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-02-08 at 22:00. |
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2013-02-08, 21:02 | Link #30 |
Knight Errant
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Age: 35
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Another downside is that if Moderators had two accounts they'd end out becoming a kind of "Secret Police", and in fact could seem more forbidding.
Not only that, but Moderators should provide an example of the type of behaviour other users should emulate, and Moderators should be aware of the fact. If the Moderator status was separate, then Moderators could more easily take down others for bad behaviour, but would not so obviously have a duty to obey those rules themselves. Also, having Moderators posting in forums in a normal fashion makes it seem friendlier, and often newer members go to Moderators to ask questions. |
2013-02-08, 21:56 | Link #31 | |
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Hope you understand, SeijiSensei. Why would you think I hate moderators here or had a bad run in with them and are biased against them? Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-02-08 at 22:08. |
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2013-02-09, 02:47 | Link #32 |
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Age: 41
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As many others have said, I don't think this will do anything to cure the animosity some people feel. Now it just means that rather than it being people you know who are making the sometimes-unpopular moderation decisions, there's a sort of "shadow council" of members who make all the same unpopular decisions... but there's even less perceived accountability, and more perception of abuse of power (even if it's no more likely to be true, but you just "never know"). Imagine you're having a fierce debate and it seems like people on one side of the debate are getting banned or having posts deleted while the "other side" never seems to be affected. Even if it's all for valid rule-based reasons, the first thing people will do is suspect someone on the other side of the debate is abusing their power. It's worse than "anonymous neg rep", it's now "anonymous bans" with constant finger pointing and mistrust. As much as it can be sometimes annoying to staff that people treat their regular opinions differently just because of the title they wear, it also helps people understand that the staff are people, not bots, and that they're very much part of the community. (The staff are not just "janitors", anonymous volunteers who go around and clean up messes. Granted that there are some people who think that's all moderators should do, but that isn't the way this forum is run.)
Speaking for myself, I wrote a whole ton of regular not-at-all-moderator-related posts in the last year (a lot more regular posts than mod-related ones for sure), and continue to do so as time permits me and anime inspires me. It's really no different at all than it was before I became a mod, to be honest. I was never the sort of person who watched a ton of shows or posted everywhere in the first place. I watch maybe 3-5 anime per season at the most, and am prone to falling behind due to work and other commitments (not related to being a mod). So I post when I can, moderate the problems I see as I post (as we were all instructed to do), and check up on reports as often as I can. It may give some people the impression that I moderate more than post because they don't watch the same shows I do or hang-out in the same threads, so only run into me when I step in due to a report or otherwise. It's likely the same with some other mods. Also, I honestly don't think the reason some mods post less has much to do with the fact that they're a mod. It often has to do with the fact that they're either busy, or their interest in anime is waning/fluctuating. Popping-in from time to time to deal with reports doesn't take too long most of the time (and better to deal with things than to let them sit there). So even if you gave them a separate account, I don't think you'd suddenly see more posting from moderators. You just wouldn't notice as much when people leave or post less for other reasons (which happens all the time with regular posters). At the end of the day, the reason for animosity between certain users and the staff is because people don't generally like submitting to someone else's authority when it interferes with whatever they want to do or whatever they think is right or best. As long as that remains the case (and I can't see how it ever won't be the case, no matter what policy changes could be enacted), the problem will remain. Trying to hide the moderators through a layer of abstraction creates more problems than it solves (and I'm not even convinced that it solves any real problem in the first place).
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2013-02-09, 13:37 | Link #33 | |
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If mods post under pseudonyms for general banter, and mod-names for dealing with forum matters I get the feeling it'll only harden the view the AS community has of the mods. We'll only be seeing the stick(s) that the mods dish out and none of the carrot, so to speak . I suppose the mods can answer this themselves, but I know that were I in the position, I'd feel uncomfortable about posting under a second account. It'd kinda be like living a second life, whilst trying to hide my mod status. I would find it hard to have a "straight" conversation feeling that I was hiding part of my identity . |
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2013-02-09, 13:43 | Link #34 |
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Isn't it just a hassle to switch to a different account every time you have to do some moderating?
If it's anything like the user account scenario in Windows XP (between admin and standard accounts), most people would tend to use the account that has more privilege, unless there's some kind of a "UAC" method for AnimeSuki mods. |
2013-02-09, 17:08 | Link #35 | |
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If I were forced to do this, I suppose I would just use two different web browsers, one for each login. But it'd still be a pain to constantly switch between the two windows and the supposed two "modes of operation". I do think it would be a hassle, and I don't see what of value would be gained.
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2013-02-10, 02:05 | Link #37 |
Le fou, c'est moi
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA
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There is one forum I lurk (the Paradox forums, to be exact) where moderators switch to colored bold text of their choosing when they want to speak as moderators, as opposed to as forum users. And they have a line in their signature where they explain that, in the same colored bold text.
I thought it was an interesting way of doing the same persona switch that Ledgem wants to "gift" to the mods without the LAP-, ahem, men-in-black secrecy. Because it's so eye-catching when they do that, they can play around in the "common tongue" with less attention, then switch to Pay Attention mode when they need to. Of course, the default color scheme of that forum is considerably darker and the palette of color choices in vB might not be nearly as acceptable in this place with its default bright theme. |
2013-02-13, 09:19 | Link #38 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Age: 35
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Referring to Manga developments in Anime threads is against Animesuki's spoiler policy, you have been warned. Effective no? Moderator: User has been infracted for using the color red. Solace says "Hmmm." Last edited by Solace; 2013-02-13 at 10:30. Reason: Playing around with other peoples posts. Mod abuse! |
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2013-03-19, 18:41 | Link #39 |
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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Had that experience once, which is why I closed my account and left the forum for a while. But, it rarely happens, and giving two accounts to mods does not automatically imply dual personalities that are separate from one another. And longtime followers or readers will recognize who they are "speaking to" sooner or later.
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