Aldnoah.Zero - Episode 24 [END] Discussion / Poll

[Revolutionist]

Slaine gave up too easily, he still had Lemrina who was still loyal to him, and as she pointed out, what was important was the royal blood. Earthspace was still possible, all he had to do was show the counts they had their own princess with Aldnoah activation rights and that the promises made were still intact. Granted there were the racists who immediately turned on him when Asseylum made her reveal, "Filthy Terran usurper! ha", but there were others who could still be swayed to the Earthspace cause.

I get that they were making Slaine the emotional MC whereas Inaho was the colder more calculating MC who acts based on logic and reason as opposed to raw emotions, but they went too far IMO. The former comes off as too emotional to the point where he starts making irrational decisions, like giving up completely because he underestimated Asseylum when the situation was still salvageable. The latter is just a robot devoid of emotions.

Anyways, Slaine gets the shitty end all you haters wanted, his loyal troops all died (or did they? we don't see Harklight and Barocruz die...) while he's deprived of an honorable death in battle. Instead he gets put in a Black Site and is essentially the new Hitler. The thing about that is when you build something based on a lie, it eventually resurfaces. So it looks like they're leaving a door open for an OVA or 3rd season. It looked like they were going for a sort of Thor-Loki type relationship between Inaho and Slaine.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

Assimilate or annihilate,yup that doesn't speak of genocide.That was his ideal.Be Slaves or be destroyed.
Venting anger?So if his knights did destroy Earth,he's gonna be like,"wait what did you just do?I was just venting my anger,you didn't need to really destroy Earth".

You really think he intended for his knights to destroy Earth? Seriously?

Where do you think Slaine was planning to set up his new world?

Simple common sense would make it obvious to the Knights that Slaine was exaggerating here, for dramatic effect.

But the moment you typed Slaine was an unsung hero

Where did I write that Slaine is an unsung hero?

Research what? He isn't even a researcher,

Slaine showed a good understanding of Aldnoah power. It wouldn't have been hard to shift him into a researcher role.

[MartianMage]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

In that one brief moment? No. Maybe seeing blue sky briefly brightened his spirits for a second.

But saying that this one brief moment of happiness means he won't be miserable behind bars for life seems like a huge and frankly ridiculous stretch to me.

Maybe if it was just a random brief smile with no context I'll believe you but the way the whole scene played out it should have been obvious that Slaine was indeed happy that in the end Asseylum still wanted to save him.

Why not at least give him something productive to do? Like continue his father's research into Aldnoah? That would have been fitting, if you ask me.

As punishment, he's to be locked away in a research facility. But now at least he gets a chance to make amends for what he's done. That would have been a much better ending than what Slaine received here.

errr... you know... imprisonment is a pretty normal punishment. True they could have used him as a research material for Aldnoah activation but there's nothing wrong with giving him the normal treatment. Like I said obviously he would still be imprisoned for his crimes but at least he's no longer miserable.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

Slaine gave up too easily, he still had Lemrina who was still loyal to him, and as she pointed out, what was important was the royal blood. Earthspace was still possible, all he had to do was show the counts they had their own princess with Aldnoah activation rights and that the promises made were still intact. Granted there were the racists who immediately turned on him when Asseylum made her reveal, "Filthy Terran usurper! ha", but there were others who could still be swayed to the Earthspace cause.

I think the point that you and Lemrina are forgetting is that Asseylum was a big part of why he's doing all of this. There is no point in fighting through all of that when Asseylum had just made her move like that. Her life could be put in danger if he fought any further and there is no guarantee that he could win now that those other counts might not trust him and even hate him even more if they think he's been tricking them.

[Tranhieu]

I don't get it anymore. Did Slaine gave up because of the NTR shock?

Anyway, poor writing. Slaine could have kept the hime asleep until he finished the invasion. He knew too well that she was agaisnt the war and there's no way she would agree to his doings. That was the most critical flaw in his seemingly flawless plan up to there.

Another thing is, Inaho was too OP till the end. Why the need for such boring character in a serious tone show?

While we are at it, I still don't get why the classmate appearing in ep 3 or 4 had to die while the rest of the class stayed alive and kicking to the very end. Poor him.

[Dauerlutscher]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

Slaine gave up too easily, he still had Lemrina who was still loyal to him, and as she pointed out, what was important was the royal blood. Earthspace was still possible, all he had to do was show the counts they had their own princess with Aldnoah activation rights and that the promises made were still intact. Granted there were the racists who immediately turned on him when Asseylum made her reveal, "Filthy Terran usurper! ha", but there were others who could still be swayed to the Earthspace cause.

I get that they were making Slaine the emotional MC whereas Inaho was the colder more calculating MC who acts based on logic and reason as opposed to raw emotions, but they went too far IMO. The former comes off as too emotional to the point where he starts making irrational decisions, like giving up completely because he underestimated Asseylum when the situation was still salvageable. The latter is just a robot devoid of emotions.

Anyways, Slaine gets the shitty end all you haters wanted, his loyal troops all died (or did they? we don't see Harklight and Barocruz die...) while he's deprived of an honorable death in battle. Instead he gets put in a Black Site and is essentially the new Hitler. The thing about that is when you build something based on a lie, it eventually resurfaces. So it looks like they're leaving a door open for an OVA or 3rd season. It looked like they were going for a sort of Thor-Loki type relationship between Inaho and Slaine.

Haters, dislikers and reasonable people won and fangirls and apologists lost big time.
A honorable death is a big no for a warcriminal.

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

You really think he intended for his knights to destroy Earth? Seriously?

Where do you think Slaine was planning to set up his new world?

Simple common sense would make it obvious to the Knights that Slaine was exaggerating here, for dramatic effect.




Where did I write that Slaine is an unsung hero?




Slaine showed a good understanding of Aldnoah power. It wouldn't have been hard to shift him into a researcher role.

Ah,but we have Harklight,I think it was him,saying "as you wish my lord".It was an order,maybe it was pathetic emotional Slaine again taking control,but you don't defy the orders of your current ruler.And the destruction by a few of those landing castle's and firepower is enough to destroy half the Earth.Think when they all attack simultaneously?

Ah,my mistake it wasn't you who typed that unsung hero

Understanding of Aldnoah power???All he did was used Lemrina for Aldnoah activation rights,and throw her away when Hime regained consciousness.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by monster

The difference is Slaine deserves his imprisonment while Asseylum did not.

Does Slaine deserve to spend some time in jail? Yes.

The rest of his life? That, I think, is debatable.

The difference in time is irrelevant

It's obviously not irrelevant to the person experiencing the imprisonment.

And it also helps if they find some other things to occupy their lives with, like religion or something else.

Did Slaine's jail scene show anything - other than a chess match with Inaho - That points towards Slaine having something else to occupy his life with?

But hey, if he decided to study while in prison, who knows what the future holds?

Did you see anything in his jail cell for him to study?

But there it is again, at least he still has a life with that possibility, as opposed to being dead with no possibility of anything.

I don't see much possibility in that jail cell.

Originally Posted by MartianMage

Maybe if it was just a random brief smile with no context I'll believe you but the way the whole scene played out it should have been obvious that Slaine was indeed happy that in the end Asseylum still wanted to save him.

That doesn't mean that happiness will last.

[00 raizer]

inaho are alway OP but that not a reason why he win over Tharsis...As all of you know that Tharsis have precognitive abilities as example can predict bullet projectile bit that its....the difference of this battle is inaho use blades(which is close range) and support it with the cable and form it into net...that is solid tactical skill...it just slaine skill is very poor that makes him lose

[MartianMage]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Does Slaine deserve to spend some time in jail? Yes.

The rest of his life? That, I think, is debatable.

It's obviously not irrelevant to the person experiencing the imprisonment.

Did Slaine's jail scene show anything - other than a chess match with Inaho - That points towards Slaine having something else to occupy his life with?

Did you see anything in his jail cell for him to study?

I don't see much possibility in that jail cell.

That doesn't mean that happiness will last.

I'd say considering his crime I wouldn't be surprised if he did stay there for the rest of his life.

Also considering the fact that he's in a special detention facility it's very unlikely that he doesn't have anything in his cell to occupy himself with. I'd surmise that, the fact that there was a guard escorting him after his talk with Inaho, the glass room with the chess board isn't his actual cell.

Sure it doesn't mean that but it also doesn't mean that it will only be for a brief moment. As monster said maybe if we can get a special episode to explore it further but for now it shows that he was indeed happy that Asseylum still wanted to save him in the end.

[Tranhieu]

Originally Posted by 00 raizer

inaho are alway OP but that not a reason why he win over Tharsis...As all of you know that Tharsis have precognitive abilities as example can predict bullet projectile bit that its....the difference of this battle is inaho use blades(which is close range) and support it with the cable and form it into net...that is solid tactical skill...it just slaine skill is very poor that makes him lose

Did it mention anywhere that Tharsis couldn't predict blade moves?

And why didn't Slaine self destruct himself when he got close to Inaho? Wait I forgot Inaho couldn't be destroyed in AZ verse!

[ReddyRedWolf]

Asseylum had to give Aldnoah tech to Earth to appease them for all the shit her country did. Some knights won't want to part with captured territory and Lemerina is still out there. We don't know if Slaine's loyalist all died too. We also don't know the opinion of nobles back on Mars. So war is still a possibility in this fragile peace.

Earth does not have any noble POW but Slaine is basically a scapegoat. Sazzbaum and his fellow conspirators have not come to light publicly. It would tear the empire apart if a witch hunt starts. Meaning while punished Slaine won't be tried in a court of law.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Does Slaine deserve to spend some time in jail? Yes.

The rest of his life? That, I think, is debatable.

Maybe, but considering he committed treason, which could have earned him a death sentence, a life sentence would be an appropriate alternative.

It's obviously not irrelevant to the person experiencing the imprisonment.

Yes, but that's beside the point. You were saying that it's ok for Asseylum to be imprisoned because it's only temporary. My point is that the length of time doesn't matter when it's still wrong to imprison her.

Did Slaine's jail scene show anything - other than a chess match with Inaho - That points towards Slaine having something else to occupy his life with?




Did you see anything in his jail cell for him to study?




I don't see much possibility in that jail cell.

They can't show everything. Just because it's not there doesn't mean he couldn't ask for it in the future. The fact that he could get a chess piece is enough to show that things could be brought into the prison for him to do. If he truly does have a lifelong imprisonment (or even if it's temporary but still a long term), then he'll have the chance to think about what he wants to do in prison.

[MartianMage]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Lemerina is still out there.

While I can't definitely say the actual location of Lemrina... I won't say it's unknown.

At around 17:22 the part where Doctor Yagarai is checking on someone. I believe that someone is Lemrina.

[00 raizer]

Did it mention anywhere that Tharsis couldn't predict blade moves?

And why didn't Slaine self destruct himself when he got close to Inaho? Wait I forgot Inaho couldn't be destroyed in AZ verse!

yes,Tharsis sure can predict blade movement but im saying that inaho use blade with support of the cable...im sure if you watch again inaho use cable as net or cage which makes Tharsis movement become limited...prediction ability just same as shit if the movement is limited..

maybe slaine not only worst in piloting but also dont know if Tharsis can self destruct...well,why equip it with self destruct when his katapract his basically has "100%" winning chance???

[Side-streetdog]

I really like this series.
Too bad in the end. It's become another Guilty Crown...

Why they like to make great potential series with WTF ending?

[Hidetoshi Nakata]

Originally Posted by Tranhieu

I don't get it anymore. Did Slaine gave up because of the NTR shock?

Anyway, poor writing. Slaine could have kept the hime asleep until he finished the invasion. He knew too well that she was agaisnt the war and there's no way she would agree to his doings. That was the most critical flaw in his seemingly flawless plan up to there.

Another thing is, Inaho was too OP till the end. Why the need for such boring character in a serious tone show?

While we are at it, I still don't get why the classmate appearing in ep 3 or 4 had to die while the rest of the class stayed alive and kicking to the very end. Poor him.

this is easy to answer, because it is an anime action/mecha, mecha battles between, direct participation in the war and on the battlefield.
you should be asking why the presence of a character children's character, with a fairytale background history, with a cheap drama typical, shoujo manga, what evil has action scenes, and barely participates in battles, and almost never has a presence on the battlefield, in an anime action/mecha.
Understood'll repeat anime action/mecha.

[Oboro]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Slaine showed a good understanding of Aldnoah power. It wouldn't have been hard to shift him into a researcher role.

really?

too much fanwank here imho.

about slaine in prison, the authors don't show or hint anything about the time or if will be in jail for the rest of his life, so it's a point that don't matters to the authors themeselfes , at least until some canon source don't come out, any speculation about this are just nonsense.
i really never get why ppl overthink, whats matters or is relevant for the author is always showed, or at least hinted in a good way (just an exemple lelouch being alive at the end of GC) and like Lemrina being in a terran hospital.

Originally Posted by MartianMage

While I can't definitely say the actual location of Lemrina... I won't say it's unknown.

At around 17:22 the part where Doctor Yagarai is checking on someone. I believe that someone is Lemrina.

yep the wheelchair hints she is Lemrina, no reason at all to put a wheelchair here and don't show who is the patient


btw the countdown was expired?

[jzmagic]

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[cyth]

Originally Posted by Side-streetdog

Why they like to make great potential series with WTF ending?

Why WTF? I thought it was one of the more realistic endings, albeit boring and unresolving on certain issues.